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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> There are other breeds right up there with pit bulls in "bite frequency", and these breeds are not the ones trained to guard drug houses, owned by macho youths who think it is cool to have this breed, or trained to fight in the huge dogfighting rings in this country. No, these other breeds just "bite". Fortunately, they usually don't do as much damage as a pit bull can, and unfortunately, the media doesn't usually make a big deal of it.

    And as far as "snapping" temperamentally? Rage syndrome is well documented in several breeds, English Springer Spaniels and Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers being two that come to mind. Not pit bulls.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If I had to be bitten, I would prefer to be bitten by an English Springer Spaniel than a Pit Bull.

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    • I'm afraid I must agree. While Cocker Spaniels may be more likely to bite (I don't know the statistics), they are simply much less powerful than a Pit or Rottie, and therefore less likely to maim or kill. That said, one of the breeds I've always admired is the Dobie. They are such elegant and intelligent dogs.
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      • www.Badrap.org does a good job debunking many of the myths surrounding Pit Bulls.

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        • Guys, we're not here to debate dogs. Dogs and horses, fine... but unless this topic gets horse-related, I'm closing it.

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          • I've been bitten more with injury by small "ankle grabber" dogs....I had one bite right through my ankle behind my achilles tendon.

            I have had two labs and a rottie, and my good friends breed pitbulls at their horse ranch. I love them. Every breed has its quirks.

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            • I've been bitten by a horse.

              Well, somebody had to make this horse related.
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              • I know a horse who bites dogs!

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                • So, I know this subject has gotten pretty touchy, but is a dog-biting horse a vicious animal? It is, by definition, agressive toward other animals.
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                  • All I can say is I wouldn't want MY dogs around this one!

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                    • I've been bitten in the arm by my horse, and it left a huge black and blue mark.

                      My horse went after a dog with her front feet, dog got away.

                      Is that horse related enough?

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                      • Let's not forget that a hard, well-placed chomp by one of our equine friends can sever a finger. AND that we ride and work around these 1,000+ lb. animals that can not only bite, but kick, squash, throw, and trample us!

                        Somehow I don't think we as horsepeople should be evaluating animal safety.

                        ~Sara
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                        • I will try to pull this back to horse related. Years ago, my trainer had a Rottweiler that she got mostly for intimidation factor after having people harassing/following her from the gas station. She got him from their vet because his owners had brought him in for treatment, left him and never paid.

                          The dog was very nice towards humans, he was possibly one of the nicest dogs out there, but had a problem with killing cats. He pretty much eliminated the cat population at the barn. He never went after another dog and really didn't chase horses (that I remember).

                          Then one the barn owner's mares had a foal, which the dog had been seen eying, but never messed with. He was able to control himself until one night, they went to bring horses in during a storm and the dog was left loose. Then came the screams of the mare as the dog was killing her baby, practically tearing it apart.

                          The next day, the dog was brought to be destroyed with the thinking that there was no telling what he would go after next. When you get a dog that was bred with the ability to agressively attack, you take the risk that your normally sweet dog could destroy another animal or a human without much effort. Sure not every one of these types of dogs will do it, but you have to admit that this is their instinct and the abilities of other breeds to do this type of damage is slim.

                          You rarely hear stories of the family lab attacking and killing, but the stories of Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepards etc seem much more common and I don't think it is strange that people consider these dogs dangerous.

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devildog20:
                            Wow, this got ugly!!! Some points I would like to make:

                            I am not blood-thirsty, but I agree that a dog who has viciously attacked another animal should be euthanized. A dog who can get into that kind of frenzy can attack anything that moves. Including people. They get into kind of a feeding frenzy like sharks do.

                            As for Pitt Bulls, please don't forget that their jaws lock on whatever they bite and can't let go. These dogs can be very sweet, but can turn crazy in a nano-second. I have seen and heard pitts that were never taught or treated aggressivly suddenly rip apart other animals and even children. Totally unprovoked. They just snapped.

                            Ok, I have no more room in my womb but they keep on growing and fighting and tearing up my insides!!!!! And I have three months to go!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Any breed of dog can do this, not just pitbulls. You're stereotyping. I was attacked by a Jack Russell, before this incident this dog was THE sweetest dog. His jaws would not let go. He would have fought me until I was probably dead. Our vet said any dog can do this, even Yorkies. Of course a Yorkie isn't very strong, but does have the willpower and will attack.

                            Oh yeah, and pit bulls can be the sweetest things ever. A friend has one, that dog is very laid back.

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>IME, the nastiest dogs are those highly in- and over-bred cocker spaniels.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                              Agreed. I know someone who is a dog trainer and has been for several years. The only dog that has ever bitten her was a cocker spaniel!! And she has worked with Pit Bulls, Dobermans, German Shepherds, Rotties, etc. From what she says, the black cockers can be especially nasty. The buff ones usually aren't as bad.

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                              • [/QUOTE]
                                I know someone who is a dog trainer and has been for several years. The only dog that has ever bitten her was a cocker spaniel!! [/QUOTE]

                                Cocker definitley can be nasty. I don't think people can appreciate the power of a pitbul as compared to other dogs which is why they are so scary. You may have a chance of fending off a cocker but try and unlatch a pitbull.

                                I used to think pitbulls got a bad rap and am also very sensitive to the stereotyping, having had rotti's in the past. But I've seen 2 incidents first hand with pitbulls that make me think I wouldn't own one - no matter how friendly.

                                One was a friend who had one for 4-5 years and came home to find that it had ripped her older golden to shreds - I mean killed it and left a horrifying bloodbath. I saw another very in-your-lap friendly, lovely pitbull grab another dog by the throat through a chainlink fence and came away from that incident with a great deal of respect for the strength of those jaws and their ability to hang on - no matter what is done to try and get them to let go.

                                I had always thought that I would rescue one someday because they can be so endearing and very sweet but not after seeing them in action. I'd rather fight off a pack of nasty cockers anyday. JMHO

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                                • Aggression towards dogs and aggression towards people are two entirely different issues. Hitorically, Pit Bulls were breed to be submissive and friendly towards people because dog-fighting required that humans handle the fighting dogs in the heat of battle. Dogs showing aggression towards people were killed.

                                  There are many other breeds of dogs that were bred to hunt and kill vermin. This includes the Jack Russell terrior that is so beloved by horsepeople (here is the link to horses). When these terriors (or the barn cat for that matter) kills "vermin", noone brands the dog/ cat vicious and wants to kill the animal. Whether the "prey" is a dog or a field mouse, a life is a life.

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                                  • I have heard that the reason a horse bite can be SO severe is because their jaws HAVE TO CLOSE TOGETHER before they can open again. Does anyone have any scientific evidence of this?

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                                    • I bit my dentist once. Felt horrible at the time. He turned out to be an a$$. Now I don't feel so bad about it.

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                                      • hahaha master tally!

                                        Hitchinmy - no way - if that was true my horse wouldn't be able to bite on the fence, halters, blanket bar, etc... without getting stuck.



                                        I definatly appreciated the question of whether a dog-biting horse is worthy of being put down, because he was uncontrollably aggressive to other animals. I think it makes a strong point.

                                        Animals don't speak our language and they don't live by our laws. I think in many cases its a matter of lack of owner responsibility.

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                                        • A friend of mine has a pit bull mix. He is extremely sweet and friendly to almost everyone...the only exception being strange men. He doesn't bite them, but he barks and threatens...to the point where delivery guys have refused to get out of their vans!

                                          If he chases anything, it's in play, and he is remarkably soft-mouthed. He and his Jack Russell cohort once cornered a baby rabbit, and Mr. Pit Bull picked it up. My friend thought for sure he had killed it, and demanded that he give it to her. He obeyed, and handed it over without a mark on it (although it was very slobbery ). Had the Jack Russell gotten it first, it would have been torn to shreds.

                                          Now, this otherwise sweet, loving, and wonderful dog DOES have a problem when it comes to horses. He is fine out on his own, but when people are around (particularly my friend, as he is extremely protective of her), he will bark and/or snap at any horse that puts its head near him. Like a true Pit Bull, he goes straight for the nose. Fortunately, he never clamps down...but he has drawn blood.

                                          Having observed this behavior, I really think he is somewhat intimidated by the horses, while at the same time thinking he needs to protect "his people" from them. In his doggy brain, I'm sure he's doing the responsible thing. Fortunately, he gives plenty of warning. He will stare at the horse first, and if someone tells him "NO!" he will stop.

                                          So, this otherwise wonderful dog has a dangerous behavior. If I were boarding at my friend's farm, I think I would be concerned about him eventually taking a bigger bite. Unfortunately, knowing my friend, it would take something of that magnitude to make her take action with her dog. I don't think he's a huge threat, but the potential is there.

                                          What would you do with a dog like this? Would you board at a barn with a pit bull mix known to nip at horses' noses, even if he was a total sweetheart the rest of the time?

                                          ~Sara
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