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  • Tick virus more deadly then lyme

    Sorry if this was posted already..

    http://ticks.littlethings.com/powass..._campaign=misc

    Does anyone know if dogs/horses can get it?

    My Mom lives in CT and we take my dog there quite frequently. She lives on the edge of a state forest and the dogs are always in the woods. CT just announced it has some cases of this virus. NY has 17? cases already. Oh joy.. I'm not one to panic, but yikes! Unfortunately my pup is a black/white pointer so finding ticks is very difficult. He has tick prevention on 24/7/365, but it doesn't seem like this would prevent the virus.

    My dog already has anoplasmosis and Mom's 3 of 7 dogs have lyme. I wish we can create the miracle cure... or kill all the ticks (ha).I know all things have their uses.. but really? What good to ticks do us?!?
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    I'm already panicking. I have had Lyme, and it is miserable. This is the last thing we need. You have to be bitten to actually get this, so if your mom takes good preventative clothing/spray measures, and your dogs tick prevention remains current, that is really the best you can hope for.

    I have been spraying my horse daily with tick spray for a week now that the temperatures have gotten warm. If they can get lyme and anaplasmosis, I would imagine they can get this, too. An infected tick is an infected tick.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Belleaphant View Post
      Sorry if this was posted already..


      My Mom lives in CT and we take my dog there quite frequently. She lives on the edge of a state forest and the dogs are always in the woods. CT just announced it has some cases of this virus. NY has 17? cases already. Oh joy.. I'm not one to panic, but yikes! Unfortunately my pup is a black/white pointer so finding ticks is very difficult. He has tick prevention on 24/7/365, but it doesn't seem like this would prevent the virus.
      ?!?
      Its so far very rare. CDC says about 60 cases in past 10 years. It also says the region they are being reported in is North East to Great Lakes. Here at the bottom you can find a map of reported cases, which includes New York. http://www.cdc.gov/powassan/statistics.html Another site mentions states most effected, but does include NY: The states most affected are Minnesota, with 19 cases since 2001; New York, with 13; and Wisconsin, with 10. Maine, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia have reported one or two cases each during the past 12 years.


      Its similar to LYme except it shows symptoms much quicker, perhaps within hours of the bite and in humans leads to a meningitis and brain swelling requiring supportive care in hospital. The whole CDC website on the POW virus http://www.cdc.gov/powassan/index.html

      As for other animals affected, one website said this: A variety of small mammals, including woodchucks, squirrels and chipmunks, have been found with the virus “but disease appears to be unusual” in wildlife, the agency states.

      Whether domestic dogs and cats are susceptible is unknown. Said Weese: “I’m not aware of any confirmed cases, but you have to consider how many dogs and cats with neurological disease get tested for this virus (very few, if any). Encephalitis in dogs and cats is not always well explored (beyond rabies), and testing for Powassan is not commonly available.”
      and here is the reference for that:

      http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=28896
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      • #4
        I have been rather paranoid about this. Two years ago we had a pretty serious tick infestation in my yard, but last year I didn't see any. I hope the hard winter killed them off, and this year I am hoping the same. I take my dog on off leash walks around the farm on a daily basis, but have been extra paranoid about checking him over if he goes romping in any tall grass or weeds. Hope it stays out of MI!
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        • #5
          60 cases in a DECADE among 350 MILLION people does not an epidemic make.

          The newspapers are running this for fear-mongering value out of all proportion.

          Mostly, it's something ER physicians need to be aware of should someone present with those symptoms. Of course, it's ALWAYS a good idea to check yourself for ticks (and don't sleep with your critters).

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          • #6
            It may not be fearmongering Lady E. A few yrs ago there was an elderly woman who owned a farm in Ct. She started showing signs of senility. Most would say not uncommon for someone in their 70s, except her dr. thought something wasn't right. Didn't make sense. He did a spinal tap and sent the spinal fluid to a lab. The lab technician at first couldn't find anything. But again did a couple other tests not usually performed. And lo and behold what appears was a spirochete of some kind.
            The lab could not identify the organism. I believe they sent it to Tufts. They were able to identify it, knew it was tick borne. Couldn't believe it. Had never considered that this disease could be transmitted to humans. Her original dr was informed, they treated the patient with doxy and the senility disappeared.
            How many elderly patients are there with senility? Lots and lots and lots. Not all of those are going to have this disease. But no one knows and when the medical profession doesn't know it's possible, they don't bother to look.
            You call it fearmongering. I call it self preservation to know what's out there.
            I wouldn't want to be the one that was institutionalized because people didn't know the possibilities or couldn't imagine what could happen.

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            • #7
              Just another word of warning. Yrs ago, I owned a big beautiful male dobie. My heart dog. He develops pain every time he moved his head. Terrible yells of pain. I take him to my vet who at first dr him with cervical spondamylapy(sp). Not an uncommon genetic disease in dobes. Puts him on a pain med but knows the end is near. Probably feeling sorry for me, she decides to take blood and send it out for a comprehensive tick scan. It took almost 2 weeks for the test result to come back. The dog had Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever. One of the first cases in this area. The disease had not caused the usual symptoms but had attacked the cervical venter rate in his neck. The vet put him on doxy for 2 months and then the moment of truth came when we weaned him off his pain melds. He was pain free. I hugged that dog so hard that day. He went on to live a long life. But what would have happened if the vet had taken his symptoms at face value. He would have been PTS many yrs too early. It taught her and me a powerful lesson in fighting for something we love when medical science can't imagine any other possibility. If it happens to dogs, it happens to horses, and humans too.

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              • #8
                There was actually a Lyme Disease vaccine for humans but it was discontinued due to lack of interest.


                https://www.wbur.org/2012/06/27/lyme-vaccine

                "Lyme disease is the only infection I know of where we have a safe and effective vaccine, but it’s not available to the public,” says Dr. Allen Steere, the physician who uncovered the disease."

                Thanks, anti vaxxers!
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                • #9
                  The thing that concerns me in general is how difficult it is to even find ticks during certain times of the year. I got bit by a deer tick and the only way I knew it was because I got the bulls-eye rash. I started taking antiobiotics right away and had no issues. It was very disturbing because I thought I was being very careful about where I went, checking myself, so I have no idea how I got bit.

                  Same thing happened to someone else I know. They used to be all over the place in the woods, grass, etc. but never had any issues. Then they decided maybe they should be more careful. Then all of a sudden, BAM!, they got Lyme. Similar thing as me, couldn't point to anything they did to explain how they got bit, never found any ticks on them in spite of checking, etc.

                  During certain times of the year it's easy to find ticks on horses because of the later stages they are in. What about deer ticks though in the early season when they are still small. How would you even find them?

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                  • #10
                    The other problem is that not everyone gets the bullseye rash. Most do but not everyone. Deer ticks can be the size of a speck of dirt. Hard to find.,the effective protection that I know is using Deep Woods Off or similiar product religiously. Also remove clothes and throw in washer. Wash and dry. Shower and soap for human.
                    Dogs- frontline works on some but not all. Horse, I don't know if anything is effective. It's a quandary. Hard to know what to do except know the day to day behavior of your animals and keep watch. Same with yourself. Don't put off going to Dr. If you think you something isn't right. You know yourself better than anyone.

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                    • #11
                      When i lived in tick central we used both Frontline and a Preventic collar. And we sprayed the yard. And we used the tick tubes in the yards and so did my neighbors.
                      Stayed out of the woods...after my whole family and both dogs were diagnosed with Lyme.

                      Ticks don't just carry Lyme either, we have Bartonella and Babesia too. Babesia is forever, I can never donate organs or blood.

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