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  • How to quiet a worried colt

    I recently brought a colt home to feed up and raise as a rescue, he has settled in quite nicely for a couple weeks and is putting on weight. I have worked on his leading and grooming manners and introduced him to the water hose, all which he showed positive acceptance.
    So I decided to start to longe him to teach him his ground verbal clues. When I went to first see him, the woman to got him from said that she had started lounging him. She did the front on rope wiggle thing to make him back up and then proceeded to clothesline him around a tree! I told her never mind that it was too cool and windy to work him, so she stopped. This was my first clue that he has an issue...
    Anyway, I had him stand in my round pen center and get used to me, the long line and the stock whip. He was fine. I then led him around saying walk, whoa, repeated it several times to make sure he understood and was calm. I ask him to walk out a little, he acted like he wasn't sure (like so many young horses) so I repeated everything. Anyway he eventually went out from me but bolted and acted worried, scared and confused, running at the end of the long line After much calming and talking to him and trying I finally got him to walk 1/2 way around pretty close to me, but he would turn and walk to me as if he was too scarred to stay away from me.
    That next time he did the same, bolting and acting scarred, but finally did walk out all the way around with him head down and nose on the ground. So the third time he took again a long time to settle and walk, but couldn't handle a full round
    I am a patient women, especially when it comes to working with young horses, but I am afraid that this boy has bad baggage! If anyone has any special training tips for me I sure would appreciate any help I can get. I really want to do right by this little sweetheart
    THANKS!
    Last edited by LaLa; Apr. 17, 2015, 08:06 AM.

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    Besides the fact that real lunging in small circles is hard on a growing horse's legs and joints, a bit of lunging for manners is permitted.

    Actively stay behind the colt always driving him forward, even if it's not really making a circle. I start out, when it's just me, on a short line staying behind that way. Then I slowly increase the space, walking the circle with him, always staying at his hip pushing forward. AND from that position when they bad behave you can pull them safely around you! The babies can get the squeals and get straightened out and pull you into sand skiing rather quickly.

    And/or get someone to help you so they can head the colt at a walk around the circle. Too much going on for one person.

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    • #3
      I don't think the colt understands what you are trying to teach him. It's so hard to make a horse calm down and go slow, that most people start by encouraging the horse to trot/canter around a round pen until the horse gets a little winded, then encourages the horse to respectfully approach the person and rest a bit. A very simplistic explanation, but the colt needs to view you as a calm, quiet place to be, but not pushing into you, and staying respectful. And what do you mean by "clotheslining" the colt?
      Man plans. God laughs.

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      • #4
        How do you raise a colt up as a rescue?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by scierra View Post
          How do you raise a colt up as a rescue?
          I think she meant she rescued him and is planning to raise him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by scierra View Post
            How do you raise a colt up as a rescue?
            Dwell on his unfortunate past & never correct them because their poor start in life is reason for any misdeed.
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            • #7
              Fer real.

              First, Geld the colt. There is no excuse for this animal being intact. Intact with an uninformed handler, to boot.

              Also, you never, ever stay at a horse's hip, especially a horse with no ground manners yet, and especially an uncut colt or mare. You stay at the shoulder, in ALL handling of the horse, never allowing the horse to go ahead of you, ever. Leading, or being ahead of you, is a sign of leadership/alpha. Who ever leads, is boss. If you are behind the horse, he will begin to percieve himself as alpha and soon will disrespect you, mark my words. YOU must lead, YOU must say stop, go, back off, and don't come into my space, whatever. YOU must be alpha. If by your body language you suggest to him that you are NOT alpha, he will take over. If you don't know how your body language affects the training of a horse, find someone who does. Babycakes does not, certainly.

              When handling the horse, or trying to train him, he will not take direction from you if he is alpha. Just making him alpha can make a young horse anxious. You truly, truly truly need an experiend person to help you start this horse. You do not know enough about training to handle him without instilling problems.

              You do not "drive" a horse, and you do not get behind his shoulder. Longeing (not "lounging, by the way) is done just ahead of the horses' shoulder with a longe whip as an extension of your arm to keep impulsion from behind, for the express purpose of NOT having to step back and put yourself behind the horse's shoulder.

              Good luck. Get help.

              And, you don't raise a colt up as a rescue. I don't know if the colt is truly a "rescue" or not, or if he just hasn't been handled and you now have him. However,
              My warmbloods have actually drunk mulled wine in the past. Not today though. A drunk warmblood is a surly warmblood. - WildandWickedWarmbloods

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              • #8
                Hope in re-reading, the OP realizes that the words she probably meant to use were
                "quiet" not "quite"
                "scared" not "scarred"
                "Longe" not "Lounge"
                My warmbloods have actually drunk mulled wine in the past. Not today though. A drunk warmblood is a surly warmblood. - WildandWickedWarmbloods

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                • #9
                  Use a second person - they initially "lead" horse while you have lunge line, then they disconnect lead line while you have lunge line but walk beside horse. Slowly they back away from horse while you continue lunging (using arm and voice signals). Lunger acts as if they are controlling horse at all times, even if header is actually controlling horse.
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                  • #10
                    Not enough information for me to give suggestions. Breed, age and a bit of back ground information.

                    Me, I don’t lunge horses as a rule. Never when starting 2 year old TBs. But I am not a “traditionalist” when it comes to a lot of things “horse”. I prefer for them to learn from the rider “queues” of what is being asked and a good "ground person" at the head. Seems to work well enough doing it “my way”. They generally all are WTC and figure 8’s within 2 weeks if not less depending on the horse. Good “breaks” and pretty good with their lead changes.

                    I don’t use a round pen. All are started in my ring.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ambitious Kate View Post
                      Hope in re-reading, the OP realizes that the words she probably meant to use were
                      "quiet" not "quite"
                      "scared" not "scarred"
                      "Longe" not "Lounge"
                      I believe it is spelled "lunge" not "longe"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LaLa View Post
                        Anyway, I had him stand in my round pen center and get used to me, the long line and the stock whip. He was fine. I then led him around saying walk, whoa, repeated it several times to make sure he understood and was calm. I ask him to walk out a little, he acted like he wasn't sure (like so many young horses) so I repeated everything. Anyway he eventually went out from me but bolted and acted worried, scarred and confused, running at the end of the long line After much calming and talking to him and trying I finally got him to walk 1/2 way around pretty close to me, but he would turn and walk to me as if he was too scarred to stay away from me.
                        That next time he did the same, bolting and acting scarred, but finally did walk out all the way around with him head down and nose on the ground. So the third time he took again a long time to settle and walk, but couldn't handle a full round
                        I am a patient women, especially when it comes to working with young horses, but I am afraid that this boy has bad baggage! If anyone has any special training tips for me I sure would appreciate any help I can get. I really want to do right by this little sweetheart
                        THANKS!
                        A couple of times working with him and expecting some miraculous turnaround in that timeframe is NOT exhibiting patience, IMHO.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ambitious Kate View Post
                          Hope in re-reading, the OP realizes that the words she probably meant to use were
                          "quiet" not "quite"
                          "scared" not "scarred"
                          "Longe" not "Lounge"
                          AK spends too much time at the bar - its "lunge" sweetie

                          OP try reading this thread http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d-Darling-COTH
                          it will help you tremendously

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                          • #14
                            Regarding baggage - unless he has had a terrible time, I believe most horses will come around but give them quiet, consistent time. Eventually he will trust you, then others. Every horse is different, every horse has a key (almost).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by belgianWBLuver View Post
                              AK spends too much time at the bar - its "lunge" sweetie
                              Longe and lunge are both correct, depending on who you ask. I've seen both from reputable people. Either way, not the point. LOL.

                              OP, I think you have to let go a little bit of the idea that the horse is scared about any of this. It sounds to me more like the horse just doesn't know what you want him to do and it's new to him. I find in general that trying to approach things from the "whoooaaaa!" standpoint, like trying to "calm them" actually doesn't work as well and can be more confusing than working them more forward. You want your instructions to be clear - so if the horse takes off at a fast trot but is responding to you, that's OK at first, it's what you wanted. Reward them for moving forward in the direction you want. If you immediately respond by trying to get them to come back to a walk and be "calm" (why is having his head down on the ground a good thing, by the way??) you've just confused him. That's how you create a nervous horse (IMO) rather than cure one. Work on getting him consistently understanding that yes, you want him to move forward, and yes, I want you to take this path, before worrying over much about "walk calmly and relaxedly." The more clear and predictable you are and the more he understands how to respond to you, the easier it will get.

                              Honestly what you describe sounds like a typical young horse who is new to lunging, not anything to do with "baggage" really.

                              Also, how old is this colt (I just realized we could be talking about anything from a weanling to a 3-4 yr old here)? Have him gelded. And depending on age, don't worry much about the lunging thing, but work hard core on ground manners and leading obedience.


                              disclaimer: I haven't dealt with young horses in ages, but have taught a number of horses to lunge in my time. I also have dealt with a few "abused" horses and "rescues" and find that 99.9% of the time they're just plain old regular horses with no real issues, other than people acting weird around them and thinking every twitch is due to some past trauma. Granted, I'm an amateur with issues of my own and others here actually do this stuff for a living, so, you know...
                              "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by caffeinated View Post
                                Longe and lunge are both correct, depending on who you ask. I've seen both from reputable people. Either way, not the point. LOL.
                                And the debate goes on.

                                But I prefer to spell it Longe as a derivative of Long Line and discourage my horse from spelling it Lunge as in Leap About.

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                                • #17
                                  Just to join the discussion, I looked up a few of my huge collection of horse books - "Riding Instruction Manual" by Gordon Wright with forward by GM uses the word Longe/Longeing arena..

                                  Lunge is also used by some.
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                                  • #18
                                    I have a book by Cherry Hill called Longeing & Long Lining the English and Western Horse. Also, the class in stock breed futurities is called "Longe Line" with an "O". The signs up at the facility where I show though say "No Lunging in the Ring." *shrug* I spell it with an "O" like the book and the class.

                                    OP, teaching young horses to longe is a process that takes time even with one that has extensive handling and a good rapport with people. As someone else mentioned, going around in little circles isn't good for a growing horse anyway, so maybe nix the longeing for a bit. You can do other groundwork with him. Leading, backing, trotting in hand, going over poles, tarps, bridges, etc. Seeing new and fun things. Giving to pressure on his poll and side to side on his face, ground-tying, grooming, bathing, clipping, handling his hooves for picking and trimming, tying in various places, cross-tying, loading into the trailer and unloading, hauling to different locations. Moving his hindquarters over, moving his shoulders (beginnings of a pivot, though don't over-do it if he's very young), setting/squaring up. All of these things will build that trust and rapport that will make it much easier to longe him when he's a little older.

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                                    • #19
                                      "My horse was lunging, so I longed him" ??
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                                      • #20
                                        It sounds like you need someone helping you in person, not tips from an internet forum. I know it's easier & cheaper to ask on here, but it's cheaper in the long run to get some help training the colt in early stages. You want to be setting up a really good foundation at this point. And it's impossible to give you exact advice without seeing what's actually happening.

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