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  • Helping a horse transition better

    I hope this is an okay place to put this kind of post!

    Unfortunately my mare hasn't had a very stable life the past few months. I moved her "home" (aka rented a stall from my neighbor) in October to cut costs and obviously have her closer. Things started out okay until neighbor brought her expensive race horses home for the winter and we had to move things around a little bit. Sydney started barreling through or jumping over the fences. "Thankfully" she always jumped into a different pasture, but I became increasingly alarmed at her jumping the wrong way and ending up in the road. Neighbor became increasingly annoyed at her fences getting torn down.

    So I moved her to a barn near by with board fences. She stopped jumping the fences, thank goodness, but the barn is not long term affordable for me. It was more of an "its November and everybody already has their hay measured out for the winter" situation and this place was the only one with room.

    I am moving her again at the end of this month to a barn that will hopefully be her permanent home.

    When I first moved her to my neighbor's house she got super disrespectful towards me and got very buddy sour. It was zero fun, but we weren't really there long enough to get things sorted out between us. When I moved her to the current barn I started her on Mare Magic, and we did manage to get things sorted out between us. Things have been trucking along since December. In Janurary she got diagnosed with PSSM and I attributed her poor behavior to possible PSSM related discomfort.

    This past week the BO at the current barn brought home three broodmares and put them in with Sydney. She removed Sydney's buddy from the pasture as well. I am pretty annoyed because we are leaving in two weeks and it doesn't seem fair for Sydney to have to get reestablished in this group, and then have to do it again in two weeks. These three mares are total witches towards her, and I now have to carry a whip with me to chase them away. They come after Sydney any time I try to remove her or bring her back into the pasture.

    Sydney's bad attitude has started up again. I had a rather scary ride on Monday that ended in a 45 minute free lunging session where I couldn't seem to get Sydney to focus on me at all, join-up, or really show any signs that she had an ounce of good will towards me. Yesterday she seemed to be doing better, I mounted up, but then had to hop back down because my pads had gotten all goofy, and she took off before my feet had hardly even hit the ground. Took me forever to catch her, and then I took her into the round pen and put her to work. Making her move when I said, turn when I said...etc etc. Except this time she was even less interested in playing the game than Monday. I finally gave up because it was getting dark.

    Free lunging has worked in the past, but is obviously not very productive this time. What are some things people do to help establish themselves as the herd leader? I am worried that in two weeks I am going to have to start all over again as well.
    RH Queen O Anywhere "Sydney"
    2009 Sugarbush Draft mare
    Western Dressage
    Draft Mare blog

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    Well, you don't really want her getting too attached to a buddy, I move my horses around all the time so they do not get buddy sour.

    Now usually when horses get knocked down a notch by their herd mates they are much easier to deal with for people too. I'm not talking terrorized by their herd mates just not on top.

    I would work on simple leading exercises, its way too easy for her to get distracted in a round pen. Leading with a rope halter, chain over the nose, holding a crop, or whatever it takes to keep her from plowing you over. then start dancing 3 steps walk, stop, 2 steps back, 5 steps forward, 8 steps jog, stop, 4 steps walk. Just keep switching it up until she is completely focused on you. No turning circles, if she gets in front make her back up fast. Don't play nice guy. It sounds like she just doesn't respect you at this point, as in you are not over her in the herd.

    Once you can lead perfectly, every single time you snap on a lead rope, then you can start working on yielding the hind quarters and more importantly the forehand (forehand is harder to get). Right now circles are easy for her which is why lunging isn't working.

    Don't blame her problems on outside factors. If you were on the same level as the 3 mares in the field when you said move, she would get out of the way, just like she does with them. They could care less if she has PSSM, is the new guy, is about to leave, whatever. They just say jump and she says how high. That's the kind of respect you want too. Please don't think I'm being harsh to your situation, I'm just trying to put it in terms of how horses think and react
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      #3
      I guess I was saying that I thought some of her behaviour in the past was from PSSM related discomfort and brushed it off thinking we would be okay moving forward. Well, we are not okay.

      The last time we went through this that is what I did. In hand I made her walk at the speed that I wanted to walk at, be it marching or barely dragging my feet, and I expected her to stay right up there with me. Made her move out of my way whichever way I wanted to go. Yield the hindquarters, yield the front end, and side pass. I guess I will refresh our memories on that type of work. I was thinking of trying the round penning since the in hand stuff is kind of "old hat" and I wasn't sure how much of it would be an automatic response or how much would actually be getting us somewhere.
      RH Queen O Anywhere "Sydney"
      2009 Sugarbush Draft mare
      Western Dressage
      Draft Mare blog

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      • #4
        Did you get a definative diagnosis of PSSM? And rule out other musculoskeletal lameness causes? Because the last video you shared of her she was dead lame and I find it surprising that something else wasn't going on. And if she's got some lingering physical issues, it could account for a lot of the negative behavior you're reporting. And... seems like the PSSM diet isn't working?! If you never got a definative diagnosis and the empirical data suggests it's not the cause-- something else is probably going on and now has been going on for months.

        Plus, the "home life" situation has been chaotic for sure, which wouldn't help. What happens if you give her bute for 3-4 days in a row. Any difference? That would be one way to start. As well was moving to a stable situation, which it sounds like is planned.

        I guess what I am saying is that getting to the root of what's causing the behavior is the best way to solve it-- rather than brainstorming tactics to deal with it once it's happening.
        ~Veronica
        "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
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          Her diagnosis is confirmed. The lameness hasn't been back, thank goodness. The vet was never able to put a finger on why she kept going lame, but apparently many people with PSSM horses report them having a moving lameness or a lameness that will be here one day and gone the next. Hers were usually so short lived by the time I was able to make arrangements with the vet she would be sound again. Was very frustrating.

          The diet has been working. She went from having rock hard butt muscles to being soft and squishy, she no longer throws a fit about picking up her feet, and she is making slow but steady progress in her training after being pretty stagnant for about a year and a half. The reason that I am looking into changes is because I am concerned with the amount of weight that she has gained in a very short period of time since starting the diet and her developing IR due to already being a very easy keeper.
          RH Queen O Anywhere "Sydney"
          2009 Sugarbush Draft mare
          Western Dressage
          Draft Mare blog

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