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Trainers, what is your ideal situation to rent stalls for training?

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  • Trainers, what is your ideal situation to rent stalls for training?

    Disclaimer: this is a completely hypothetical question and not something that will happen anytime in the near future. This is just a random thought I had while driving late at night.

    As a trainer who rents a few stalls from a barn owner to bring in client horses in for training, what do you normally "pay" the BO in exchange for using their barn?

    One day of these days (in 5-10 years), my DH and I plan on purchasing 10-20 acres. I have thought about building a small barn to give my (future) retired horses a place to go. I have also thought about possibly bringing my show horses home, but I do enjoy the company of others and having easy access to a trainer on site.

    As a trainer, would the following situation be ideal? What would be your ideal situation?

    - 5+ stalls/fields with shelter available to bring in personal horses or client horses, use of a covered arena, heated tack room
    - Trainer's horse(s) would board free, in exchange for giving BO lessons and/or training rides on 1 horse.
    - Trainer does not pay BO a monthly barn fee, but BO would receive board money from training clients
    - trainer is responsible for care of all horses (or bringing in a working student, hiring someone), but BO could be responsible for ordering all barn/feeding supplies

    Again, please take this with a grain of salt as it is only a random thought, but am curious to see what others have done in the past/present and/or would like.
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    I think, the simpler you make any arrangements, the easier it is on everyone.

    I would lease designated facilities, barn and pastures, to the trainer per stall, let it decide if to use it for it's own horses in training to show and re-sell and/or clients horses in training or whatever.

    One advantage of that is insurance.
    Your liability is less if the trainer is it's own business, not part of yours.

    If you have horses of your own, build where you can keep those separate pasture, turn-out and stall wise, plus tack/feed room, even if it is one end of the barn, not a separate barn, which would be best.

    This way if you take lessons or have any horse of your own in training with that trainer, you are one more customer and pay for that.

    This way no one feels like they are not getting enough out of the deal, when there are more complications in the way, like trading this or that for that other, which can get hard to determine what the trades are worth to each one.

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    • #3
      I agree that it is best to keep it simple, and it would be wise to talk to your insurance company on ways you can limit your risk/liability.

      If this is your plan though, I think you would need to allow for enough stalls/turn out for a trainer to have a viable business plan. For a horse starter, 6-8 stalls/individual pens might be enough, but for a coach, they will likely need 10-20 horses to earn a viable income...

      I am also not sure how a trainer could make money if YOU are getting the board, but they are supplying the labour. Labour is the biggest expense when you are running a boarding operation with stalls.
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      • #4
        Totally agree with this. When one starts "trading" services, it can get gummed up quickly if expectations are not met.
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          #5
          Thanks everyone for your opinion!

          Like I said, this is definitely not something that will be in the works anytime in the near future, heck, I may decide to just keep horses at another barn. But, it's been enlightening to hear everyone's experience/opinions.
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          • #6
            The only reason I opened your new thread is that I'm thinking about renting or leasing one of my barns. Having been in the biz for almost 30 years I've found that barter in any situation works when it comes to horses..and things go south. We see posts about that all the time on COTH.

            If you can segregate your barn needs and pastures from whoever you want to bring in for their own biz ventures, that is the best way to keep everything "clean". They pay you for the barn/stalls/pastures for their biz venture, and you pay them if you want lessons. Easy peasy.

            Just remember to set "rules" for what is acceptable on your property and your lifestyle, as it would still be yours and not theirs. And have insurance coverage if that is breached by any of the trainers' clients or boarders.
            www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
            "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
            Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube

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            • #7
              And depending on your state you may want to consider a LLC for your rental company

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              • #8
                And if I was a trainer, I would not want to be mixed up with you and your business at all. I would want to lease use of your facility and pay a lease fee per stall. When I needed a stall, I would lease it. If for example, a horse came in to me to be trained for 3 months, I would pay you your stall fee for 3 months, say, 100 a month. I can charge whatever I get. I buy my own feed, shavings, everything, it my business and I get to determine how my horses and my clients' horses are handled, fed, etc. So I pay you a facility use fee and a per stall fee. What ever I get from my clients is my buisness. Make sense? That's what I would want to do

                I would assume I am leasing all of that from someone who has a block of stalls they don't normally fill, don't want to fill with boarders they have to be responsible for but would like to get something out of that portion of the facility. It would be a small income for the property owner for no personal investment except for being the owner of the part of the property in question.

                Sometimes a trainer will lease say 8 stalls, 3 for herself and 5 for boarders, and just keep all of them available for herself whether she has a client in there or not. Sometimes they will just lease the stalls as they have a horse coming in. Depends on the deals done between trainer and BO.

                You don't want to mix up her horses hay, shavings, mucking, or any other business with hers. If you want to take lessons from that trainer, then use some of your stall income to pay for the lessons. All you need is to make a deal about giving her "free" stalls and then after three lessons find out you don't want to train with her, after all, don't like her style, for you or your horse, etc. Then what? Dont' be complicated. Separate business.

                The trainer is going to insist on separate businesses anyway. She can't do her books if she's mixed up with you.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ambitious Kate View Post
                  And if I was a trainer, I would not want to be mixed up with you and your business at all. I would want to lease use of your facility and pay a lease fee per stall. When I needed a stall, I would lease it. If for example, a horse came in to me to be trained for 3 months, I would pay you your stall fee for 3 months, say, 100 a month. I can charge whatever I get. I buy my own feed, shavings, everything, it my business and I get to determine how my horses and my clients' horses are handled, fed, etc. So I pay you a facility use fee and a per stall fee. What ever I get from my clients is my buisness. Make sense? That's what I would want to do

                  I would assume I am leasing all of that from someone who has a block of stalls they don't normally fill, don't want to fill with boarders they have to be responsible for but would like to get something out of that portion of the facility. It would be a small income for the property owner for no personal investment except for being the owner of the part of the property in question.

                  Sometimes a trainer will lease say 8 stalls, 3 for herself and 5 for boarders, and just keep all of them available for herself whether she has a client in there or not. Sometimes they will just lease the stalls as they have a horse coming in. Depends on the deals done between trainer and BO.

                  You don't want to mix up her horses hay, shavings, mucking, or any other business with hers. If you want to take lessons from that trainer, then use some of your stall income to pay for the lessons. All you need is to make a deal about giving her "free" stalls and then after three lessons find out you don't want to train with her, after all, don't like her style, for you or your horse, etc. Then what? Dont' be complicated. Separate business.

                  The trainer is going to insist on separate businesses anyway. She can't do her books if she's mixed up with you.
                  Yup. Exactly.
                  www.littlebullrun@aol.com See Little Bull Run's stallions at:
                  "Argosy" - YouTube and "Boleem" - YouTube
                  Boleem @ 1993 National Dressage Symposium - YouTube

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