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A New Equestrian Center in Delaplane, Virginia?

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  • #41
    You asked for feedback so I will step out on a limb here and say, based on the strategy you have briefly outlined, this will never happen...your plan is flawed.

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    • #42
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J Swan:

      And you didn't answer my question. Are you referring to Chattins Run? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> She did answer that <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> 2. No, this is not Chattins Run. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
      Janet

      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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      • #43
        Oops - missed it. Thanks for pointing that out. But I stand by everything else I wrote.
        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
        -Rudyard Kipling

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        • #44
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Delaplane Equestrian Complex:
          Mel, we are of course targeting a high-end buyer. And no, these won't be cookie-cutter homes and should be quite large (no offense, but they will be well over the 3,000 sq ft mark). We will have a contract up front that will fully disclose all of the community requirements, espeecially those that relate directly to equestrian activities. I can say we are intimately aware of the home building process, but are not evil anti-horse folks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Since I do not want a mansion, Mc or otherwise, I do not take offense, but IME, when someone says "no offense" they intend to offend. When you start marketing your project to the region, you might want to leave the "no offenses" out.

          But, it sounds like something that really won't do much for any of the local residents. As for being able to use the facilities when hauling in for a lesson, that has always been the case in my experience at all private farms.

          I have a neighborhood near me that is full of the sort of homes I'm sure you are envisioning The homes are beautiful and well over 3000 sqft. Technically, horses are banned, but several property owners allow us to cross, so we do.

          Mel

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          • #45
            To be honest it would almost seem as if your suggesting a plan with a property like Locust Grove in Delaplane (although on the west side of US 17/Winchester Road) which has 250 acres and a stable, main house, and assorted structures. Carving up the land for a few more residences tucked on the property, beefing up the equestrian barns there now, but by and large just using the estate's existing road(s), riding trails, and so forth without a great deal expense.

            Even with such a plan I doubt it would find much local support and likely more opposition then you ever expected.

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            • #46
              DEC - I have to say that if I had the means, I would be trying to do exactly the same thing you're doing - I'd love to live on a large open place, with like-minded people, ride-out forever, have a great trainer out my back door! I don't subscribe to the idea that it necessarily means McMansion-ville - especially in this area, where the sight of a large facility with upscale homes would not be out of place. And there are ways to make any to-be-built homes conform to the historical look of the area. But, of course, you'll have your work cut out for you making sure that you're really attracting like-minded people and not someone who as J Swan put it, calls it rural but doesn't want the "crap" that ultimately goes along with animals. And navigating the rules and regs of the county will be tough too.

              Yes, what you're planning would be my dream, with the exception that if I were building it, there would be an equine rescue facility along with it. I've always fancied the idea of getting top-notch horse trainers involved on some level with the cast-aways - let them guide upper-level students in dealing with behavior issues, training them, and getting them back out into the horse world to be enjoyable and useful partners or even competition horses. (I never forget that David O'Connor's Rattle and Hum was a bag of bones and a step away from the slaughterhouse before he was rescued).

              If it were me, I'd like to have some community involvement - not like a Frying Pan Park exactly - but something to do maybe with the local pony clubs, or as you've mentioned, foxhunts. And horse shows, definitely. Maybe a training facility with space for long-term visiting students...

              So - I wish you luck, and I'll be watching for you to get to the place where you're asking for trainer recommendations!

              Emily
              "It's not a perfect world....But it's still good to be alive! If you don't know by now, you'll probably never understand the way it feels to wanna live....One Perfect Moment!!"

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              • #47
                It sounds like what you are planning is not permitted within the land use regulations.

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                • #48
                  You sound like a developer-1st,
                  a horse owner 2nd,
                  and a person who doesn't care about perserving Delaplane - 3rd

                  You say the land you want to develop with these McMansions is not in farming, but I suspect it is open rural land. The open rural land & spectacular views is what makes Delaplane special. People do not live here hoping for a "planned community" to come. I'm sure Piedmont Hunt would prefer the landscape to stay as it is right now. To me, it seems your real motivation is money. I definitely hope your center doesn't happen.

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                  • #49
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YankeeLawyer:
                    A suggestion -- look at Beacon Hill in Leesburg to get some ideas of what does and does not work. It is an equestrian community, which has estate homes and a shared equestrian facility.
                    </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Beacon Hill DOES NOT have a shared equestrian facility. The equestrian center is privately owned and operated. Homeowners are welcome to take advantage of the services offered by the equestrian center, but they don't receive any special considerations should they wish to do so.

                    DEC, if you'd like additional information about how the equestrian center functions within Beacon Hill, you can PM me.

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                    • #50
                      vahunter - amen!

                      What's ironic is that was the OP is proposing already exists. It's called the countryside. Like minded people live here, many of us like to ride horses, there are instructors aplenty, and there are many places to ride - including private farmland. We love nature, open spaces, and a quiet life in an established community of people who watch out for each other, band together in times of crisis, - a community that develops over time, with tremendous efforts made by individuals that span generations that contribute to the good of the whole.

                      Leave Delaplane alone. If you want to destroy what people have taken years to create - build in Loudoun. The BOS there evidently is more receptive to their land being raped by developers.
                      Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                      Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                      -Rudyard Kipling

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                      • #51
                        I would love to see such a facility in Spotsylvania, with PERMANENT trail easments that would prohibit fencing within 5 feet of any property line and proofers that included a public riding ring.
                        I wasn't always a Smurf
                        Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                        "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                        The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                        • #52
                          Sounds like Great Falls and Clifton in the seventies. Planned, private, residents only communities with dedicated trails, every house on 5 or more acres with a barn or a central to the development stable.

                          They tried that at Aquia Harbor and several other places in the DC metro area.

                          Guess what? Most of the people who now live in those communities in Clifton/Fairfax Station have little to no interest in horses. Mine are boarded at a property in one of those developments where we have the only horses left. It has taken the Clifton Horse Society to even keep the interconnected trails viable.

                          Want to do some good for horseback riding in Delaplane? Put the land into the Enivronmental Land Trust. At the rate this area is filling up with Giganormous houses, we need more open space preserved.
                          "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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                          • #53
                            Thank you all for your opinions and comments. I will take all of your suggestions, both positive and negative, and incorporate them into my final plan for this project. I sincerely appreciate your feedback.

                            The only thing I will comment on is that VAHunter is grossly incorrect - I am a horseman first and foremost in life, and am not a developer at all. I do have sympathetic connections in the building world and am intimately aware of the process. My love for horses and the equestrian way of life is what inspired this project, not money. Remember, I want to live there.

                            As I've stated several times, we are still in the preliminary stages of this project. All the details are not settled, but we do know that we will not cut corners, nor will we enter into this with foolhardy aspirations. Everything will be throughly checked before we finalize our plan.

                            Now I must get back to my research and leave you with a "stay tuned for more details".

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                            • #54
                              How do you intend to keep the people without "similar interests" out? I hate to say it but by catering to the upscale market, you will get quite a bunch of those who move out to the country and then complain, complain, complain about the smells, animals, and way of life. And you WON'T be able to prevent this. You're not exactly going to be able to screen who lives there, and believe me, this will happen, even if you do call it an "equestrian" community.

                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> My love for horses and the equestrian way of life is what inspired this project, not money </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Why not just built a nice private farm, or purchase an existing one, and have a few boarders that you enjoy spending time with? You can have whatever house and barn you want. You can host clinics and whatnot like that without tearing up the countryside yet another development, even if it is "equestrian centered."

                              I just don't see how another project like this is going to do anyone any good.
                              ---
                              They're small hearts.

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                              • #55
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:
                                Sounds like Great Falls and Clifton in the seventies. Planned, private, residents only communities with dedicated trails, every house on 5 or more acres with a barn or a central to the development stable.

                                &lt;SNIP&gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                I lived in Great Falls in the 70's (and 80's) When I left the non horse people had moved into Southdown and were fighting to have the roads paved....the gravel nicked their Mercedes.

                                Homeowners covenants can be changed.

                                Right to farm does not pertain to subdivisions so horse owners would not have even that protection.
                                Permanent trail easements MIGHT work to a limited extent.
                                It would be interesting to see if the MAXIMUM size of a house could be mandated
                                I wasn't always a Smurf
                                Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                                "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                                The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                                • #56
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bonstet:
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YankeeLawyer:
                                  A suggestion -- look at Beacon Hill in Leesburg to get some ideas of what does and does not work. It is an equestrian community, which has estate homes and a shared equestrian facility.
                                  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Beacon Hill DOES NOT have a shared equestrian facility. The equestrian center is privately owned and operated. Homeowners are welcome to take advantage of the services offered by the equestrian center, but they don't receive any special considerations should they wish to do so.
                                  . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Um, excuse me, no need to be so rude. It happens that Beacon Hill WAS marketed as a development that had onsite equestrian facilities. Are they not on the land that is part of that development? In fact, I think they even referred to themseves as an "equestrian community." I don't really care who manages it. That wasn't my point. I never said the place was -- gasp -- a co-op.

                                  After reading the more detailed description of the proposed development, I have to say if I lived in Fauquier I would oppose it. Don't do to Fauquier what they did to Loudoun County.
                                  Roseknoll Sporthorses
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                                  • #57
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J Swan:
                                    vahunter - amen!
                                    If you want to destroy what people have taken years to create - build in Loudoun. The BOS there evidently is more receptive to their land being raped by developers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Oh, no thanks. Loudoun has enough "like minded" people already.
                                    Roseknoll Sporthorses
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                                    • #58
                                      Well folks, I hate to sound like a meanie - but I have a multiline phone and nothing to do with my time. So I tend to do things like vociferously oppose the rape of rural areas.

                                      If a person wants to buy land and create a private home with a boarding facility - go for it. It's a legitimate agricultural use. Why the OP wants an exclusive uber rich subdivision - call it what it is - in an agricultural area - and manipulating the land use and zoning ordinances by calling it an "equestrian" community is a bunch of BS. I've seen it before. It's a much beloved tactic of developers trying to weasel what they want out of local gov't.

                                      But exluding all but the ultra rich from a grandiose scheme involving taking viable agricultural land out of production, building obscenely enormous houses completely out of keeping with local architecture and cultural values and out of service distrtricts- with the idea of being somehow above and apart from the hoi polloi - uh - and you propose to make this palatable to our BOS in what way?

                                      No thanks - evidently YankeeLawyer does not approve of me referring you to her beleagured, unfortunate county. I don't blame her. What has happened to Loudoun is a travesty.

                                      How about someone else? Any other residents want an uber rich exclusive "equestrian" community raping their land, driving up their taxes and ruining their lifestyle?
                                      Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                      Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                      -Rudyard Kipling

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                                      • #59
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YankeeLawyer:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bonstet:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YankeeLawyer:
                                        A suggestion -- look at Beacon Hill in Leesburg to get some ideas of what does and does not work. It is an equestrian community, which has estate homes and a shared equestrian facility.
                                        </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Beacon Hill DOES NOT have a shared equestrian facility. The equestrian center is privately owned and operated. Homeowners are welcome to take advantage of the services offered by the equestrian center, but they don't receive any special considerations should they wish to do so.
                                        . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Um, excuse me, no need to be so rude. It happens that Beacon Hill WAS marketed as a development that had onsite equestrian facilities. Are they not on the land that is part of that development? In fact, I think they even referred to themseves as an "equestrian community." I don't really care who manages it. That wasn't my point. I never said the place was -- gasp -- a co-op.
                                        </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Not trying to be rude. You are correct, the development is marketed as an equestrian community. But as owner of the facility, I'd hate to see it misrepresented as a shared facility, which I take to mean it's either a co-op or a place where homeowners get special privileges because they live there.

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                                        • #60
                                          Nope, not me! Sounds like just another developer to me. And it won't work. All those kinds of facilities are having money problems and can't make their upkeep. Too much competition and expense. Not enough horseowners who can afford to or want to board at places like that. Especially that far out. And I don't know a single "equestrian estates" place that hasn't had problems with individual owners, homeowner association rules, expenses and easements. Piedmont equestrian estates=dismal failure. BelView=awful situation.
                                          The tie in of equestrian pursuits to development is a well known tactic we've all seen before. And rich people (aka:high end owners)don't like to share. They want privacy and control. You're deluding yourself.
                                          And what the heck is a "foxhunting haven" you mentioned?!!! Sounds like a ruse to me!

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