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  • Fair way to end this working student relationship.

    For some reason I thought that it would be a good idea to get a working student this year. The arrangement would be 3 hours of work equals 1 group lesson. The lesson would be on Saturdays when I tend to have a few horses available, so not really costing me anything (other than opportunity cost I suppose).

    This was simply so I could go to some away shows and not worry about arranging a boarder to do stalls...particularly on Fridays.

    I found someone, but she hasn't instilled much confidence in her ability to do the work without supervision/help. Unfortunately the last day she worked she decided she wanted to go home rather than lesson, so she now has about 2.5 hours credit towards a lesson. She was supposed to come out to lesson yesterday but was a no-show. Emailed me 5 hours later that she had overslept.

    So...do I pay her out and end the relationship (which costs me $$, and how to calculate?), consider the no-show to be her payout, or just let her take another lesson and then end the relationship?

    She is a really nice person, and rides well enough, but just isn't suited to the job...and being late once to work, and missing the lesson is the final blow.
    Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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    I would consider a no show as a forfeit. Just tell her she is not a good fit, bye bye

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    • #3
      Ditto. No work ethic = BEGONE!

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      • #4
        The lesson doesn't cost you much...but as a token of your good nature...I would give her the lesson and say good bye!!
        www.crosscreeksporthorses.com
        Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma

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        • #5
          Originally posted by crosscreeksh View Post
          The lesson doesn't cost you much...but as a token of your good nature...I would give her the lesson and say good bye!!
          This.
          Otherwise, you'll come off as a big meanie who takes advantage.
          "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

          ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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          • #6
            Are there other working students who could perhaps fill the position? If you otherwise like the girl, perhaps she needs a CTJ talk. I had to do that once with someone who worked for me and it cleared up the situation and made them get their act together. They were a stellar worker after that.


            you may want to consider talking with her and letting her know you appreciate the work she is doing, but if she isn't going to show up for lessons that is affects your program considerably. Let her know that when she doesn't show up, that is a lost ride that someone else could have taken but couldn't because the horse was reserved for her. Then give her one more chance and then if she blows it the second time, she's gone.

            If you have other students who are willing to help, then maybe just move ahead with one of them.
            Last edited by SnicklefritzG; Mar. 29, 2015, 07:49 PM.

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            • #7
              I would give her the lesson, because otherwise it is going to get around the horse community that you work kids like slaves and then don't hold up your end with the lessons, but definitely sever the relationship. Also give her a deadline to make the lesson up by.

              There are people out there that would kill for this chance, and she is not one of them
              Originally posted by The Saddle
              Perhaps I need my flocking adjusted.

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              • #8
                I agree. I think it would be fair, but unwise, to consider the lesson forfeited.
                Shut up, brain. I'm trying to sleep. (Courtesy AirsAboveNC)

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                • #9
                  Maybe she just needs you to let her know that you trust her ability. Or maybe she has no work ethic. Anyway I would give her a lesson and decide for sure she won't work into your system. Maybe she has some things going on in her life that will work themselves out and in a year or two may be a different person. No need to burn bridges.

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                  • #10
                    Having gone the lessons in exchange for work route. I gave it up, I went to the I pay you, you pay me route. And one or two no-shows would be the end of it,

                    In your present situation, I would sit her down and offer, just once, a chance to lesson. I would also discuss her work performance. Some kids will never straighten out, and IME, those that will be good are good from the git-go.
                    Taking it day by day!

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                      #11
                      Interesting that people assume she is a kid vs an adult.

                      I think I will go with giving her the additional lesson. Cheaper than paying her out, and she isn't a bad person/rider, so I don't mind having her around, I just don't feel she is suited to the position.

                      Now to look for someone new without her finding out. I don't want to make her feel awkward about coming for the lesson.
                      Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                      • #12
                        think of it this way, instead of lessons imagine you are giving her a paycheck..

                        she doesn't show up for her paycheck... she is still entitled to receive it.

                        i say be graceful and give her what she is owed, and then tell her you appreciate her time but her services are no longer needed.
                        AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CHT View Post
                          Interesting that people assume she is a kid vs an adult.
                          I guess because her behaviour seems immature/unused to responsibility. Sure, plenty of adults are like that, but you expect it more from teenagers/flaky young adults.

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                          • #14
                            She left early and then blew off her lesson, are you sure she isn't telling you she is ending the relationship?
                            Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
                            Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CHT View Post
                              Interesting that people assume she is a kid vs an adult.

                              I think I will go with giving her the additional lesson. Cheaper than paying her out, and she isn't a bad person/rider, so I don't mind having her around, I just don't feel she is suited to the position.

                              Now to look for someone new without her finding out. I don't want to make her feel awkward about coming for the lesson.
                              Sounds like a good plan - not your job to teach her work ethics. But maybe a nice note letting her know that you no longer need her services, but would love to have her back for her lesson and as a client? Personally, I prefer to take the high road and avoid bad relationships.
                              Man plans. God laughs.

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                              • #16
                                I would give her the lesson. I also don't know why you would be looking for someone without telling her. I assume you are going to tell her she is not a good fit for the working student position and she will not be retained. It would then follow that you would hire someone else.

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                                • #17
                                  I think you are wise to offer the lesson again. She is entitled to compensation for the work she has done. If she keeps cancelling pay her the money (for 2.5 hours work it can't be much?!) and be done with it.

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                                  • #18
                                    Offer the lesson, and if she's a no-show again, too bad. But make that clear to her when you offer the lesson.

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                                      Originally posted by islgrl View Post
                                      I would give her the lesson. I also don't know why you would be looking for someone without telling her. I assume you are going to tell her she is not a good fit for the working student position and she will not be retained. It would then follow that you would hire someone else.
                                      I don't want to tell her before she has the lesson and with Easter next weekend, I am not sure when that will be. I think that would be uncomfortable for her to ride when she knows she is not coming back. It's not like she is using the money for food.

                                      I think I found someone to do the barn chores while I am showing anyway, and might see if the current person would better suite helping me with some other stuff I have been putting off for the summer (Painting!).
                                      Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                                      • #20
                                        As someone who recently had a working student of the trainer's care for their horse while the trainer was our of town for 6 days... I can say to you, if she can't be trusted to get the job done the way you expect without supervision then cut ties. I would offer a final lesson on a certain day and time and if she shows great if not oh well. My horse dropped offer 300 lbs in 6 days because rather than walk into pasture and put grain in the spread out feed pans as she had been shown, she dumped it right over the fence in 3 close piles and my dominant horse did not allow the other to eat at all not even hay, for 6 days. Do not put the boarder's horses or your own in the hands of someone you do not trust completely. If she can over sleep and not notify you for 5 hrs, then use email to communicate with you I can't imagine she is very reliable when you are not there. Find someone better suited and let them know from day one that it will be done your way whether you are there or not or the arrangement will not continue.

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