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Spinoff on tragic horse trailer incident: Are stock trailers safer?

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  • Spinoff on tragic horse trailer incident: Are stock trailers safer?

    As I read the thread about the woman who trailered her neighbor's horse to the vet's for an eye injury, only to have the horse flip out and wind up euth'd, I saw many comments from posters about how they use a stock trailer and find it safer.

    I have been trailer shopping. I find myself steering clear of chest bars. They make me nervous. Now I am looking at simple Featherlite stock trailers and do like the "simplicity" of the inside of the trailer.

    My question is this: If you own a stock trailer and haul several horses of various sizes, strengths, and dominance in it, do you have slant dividers or do you haul them alongside without dividers? Do you have a center gate divider? How do you divide them, or do you?

    I regularly haul a 16 hand mule gelding and a 12 hand Shetland pony mare together. I would be afraid the mule would kick or step on the pony without a divider. What is the best route to go with a stock trailer for someone like me who routinely hauls big/smalls together and needs division? Thanks.
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    The people saying stock is so much safer obviously hasn't had a horse freak and get a leg through those slats! Trust me it is not pretty and something I hope to never see again. Also I don't feel safe ever hauling horses together with no divider unless its a mare and foal. Years ago we had a 5 horse stock that had 2 dividers (so 2 horses went in the front together, then a divider, 1 horse in the middle, a divider and then 2 in the back.) The horses were fine next to each other, nobody kicked, both horses were wrapped, but the driver had to make a quicker stop because a light had turned on her. Horse number 2 didn't quite catch his balance and stepped on horse number 1 tearing his suspensory (and this was with full pillow and standings on). Never again did anything get hauled without seperation! I know of another barn that used to haul 4 horses slant in an open stock with no dividers until the horse in the middle got mad and kicked the crap out of his neighbors breaking both other horses legs. 1 was saved as the break wasn't as bad, but the other was euth'd.

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    • #3
      Oooh, good topic.

      I have a small, very small, two horse stock. It's totally open inside, no dividers of any kind. I usually haul my massive hanoverian on it by himself, but I have hauled him with his pony girlfriend who is maybe 13.2. I would haul him with any horse that he knows, but I would not haul him with a horse he does not know or one who is agressive. He is not agressive and hauls with the pony fine. They stand side by side (it is straight load) and I tie them both. They can't really bother each other that way. There isn't enough room for them to turn their hind ends against each other to kick.

      The trickier thing is loading two with no dividers on a step up straight load. You can't tie one until the other is on and the door is closed. I have another person take both their leads and walk on with them simultaneously, and once they're on I shut the door. Then they get tied. My horse walks straight on and even the first time, the pony went right in alongside him. This certainly would NOT work for all types of horses!! But I love my little stock trailer and I think it is very safe.

      Edited to add: Mjrtango, I think the same danger would exist in a trailer where the dividers don't go all the way to the floor as far as kicking. I also don't think I've ever seen a stock trailer where the openings were low enough or big enough to get a leg through. My horse would have to bust his head through the roof to get a leg up far enough to get near the slats...and they're too small for that anyway.
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      • #4
        Honestly, I have never had an injury in the stock trailer. The two horse and the slant loader? YES! But never the stock trailer. However my stock trailer has NO MANGER, just a partition style front space back space divider that goes almost to the ceiling with very small openings - nothing a horse could stick a leg through. I consider it the safest way to haul!
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        • #5
          I have a 4H slant that will convert to two open stalls like a stock trailer. I think it combines the best of all worlds for me.

          I tried to haul a horse last weekend who was claustrophobic when we tried to put him in a slant stall. He panicked and exited fast...a bit exciting for a minute in there with him doing that. So we pulled out a divider and hauled him loose like a stock trailer. He was happy. This horse would have never loaded or been safe in a Straight load with a chest bar.

          Mares with foals and young horses are much better off in a stock trailer type of rig I think.

          I've had both kinds now. I absolutely hate mangers in trailers. I've seen horses get hung up in the mangers and getting them out was awful. A chest bar is safer for most horses but I do think it adds a little more danger than a stock or a slant stall. If you do have one who puts a leg out a stock trailer slat, that can be unsafe also. I like my enclosed trailer for that reason and I can control the airflow also by opening windows if I need them. Stock trailers are cold in the winter and horses can get wet and miserable hauling in the rain.

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          • #6
            Stock trailers are all I have used and so far so good. (No trailer now, unfortunately.) I had a 16' open stock, no divider for a couple of years. I only had a few horses at that time and it worked great. I load them slant and tie that way, I could haul four at a time, but usually it was just two and I could put them both in front or slant.

            Same for the 19' modified stock w/ the manger and divider up front and a center divider. When I was showing a lot and driving a lot, I put the horse up front and the cart in back w/ all my gear. You could haul five in it fine. Two in front and three in the back side by side, as long as they weren't drafts. However, my friend did manage to cram FIVE drafts in that trailer once. That was quite a site, but they came home unscathed and it was not repeated.

            When I do get another trailer, it will be a stock, though I love my friends' 3H slant load w/ LQ. It's very nice.
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            • #7
              I just worry about horses stepping all over each other in a stock trailer w/o dividers. I also think that they can be cold if you live in a climate with cold winters and haul in the winter.

              I have a straight load with chest bars, but then I do several longer hauls a year and I want to be able to let them get their heads down and clear their noses and respiratory tracts during rest stops. Very difficult to do in a manger style or slant load trailer. Also much easier to get them to drink.

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              • #8
                I haul extensively with a stock trailer. I've also hauled with other types of trailers. The stock trailer is much easier to load a horse in, and much easier to haul a bad shipper in. I regularly haul multiple horses in a stock trailer, and never have had one step on another, despite there being no dividers. And I'll haul all different sizes, from drafts to ponies, and have had no problems with mixed sizes. I also haul during the winter, and have never had a problem with with it being too cold; that said, if I felt it was a problem, I would have the slats covered with plexiglass or similar. I have, however, had problems with horses getting too hot in the winter hauling horses in a two-horse that was closed in.

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                • #9
                  We used to haul with a stock trailer all the time. Ours had a devider and I would put the smaller horses/ponies/foals up front so they would be safer. The only thing I didn't like about the stock trailer is the horses had nothing to lean on for hard stops. About ten years ago, I was trailering down a two lane road and had a car pull right out in front of me. I hit my brakes hard and the horse fell. She was OK since she was wrapped, but it scared me. If she would have been in the slant-load trailer, I don't think she would have fallen.
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                  • #10
                    I have a stock trailer. I think is 12', but don't hold me to it. We also haul cows, so a stock trailer was a necessity. Mine is completely open inside, no dividers, no tack room. It is a step-up. Mine is extra tall and extra wide. I can easily haul 3 of my big long horses in it (slanted) and I have never had a problem with them. I do usually wrap and bell boot just to be safe, but I have hauled them bare-legged, too. Its nice to have that open box stall for tough loaders and tough haulers and for mare and foal. My slats are very close together (no way for even a pony foot to get thru) and the whole trailer is very substantial and heavy, so it can take a pounding if need be. I don't know if its safer, but I certainly don't think its not as safe. I just occasionally miss having a tack room at one day shows...

                    I don't know about hauling a big a little together with my set up. I think it would make me nervous. It works for me as most of mine traveling are bigs.

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                    • #11
                      stock combos are great also.

                      I have a lil two horse slant stock combo. I usually only haul one horse so it's wide open all the time.
                      And I have the ability to allow my horse to ride backwards if he likes as well.

                      When I use it as a two horse it can be hard to get the 2nd horse in. They have to be very good at getting their hind ends up in there and allowing me to shut the door.
                      I also had it modified so that instead of one large back door I have a two doors with cam locks.
                      Make it easier to get that door shut on the 2nd horse for sure.

                      It's a Circle C. Very very nice trailer. 10 years old and it looks brand new. And with the plexi glass and drop downs on the head side I can close it up and keep them warm in the winter. But 80% of the year here it's warm so mostly the plexi glass stays in the barn. ; )
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                      • #12
                        I have a 24' Eby stock trailer...4' dressing room and 20' on the floor for horses.

                        Load one horse, close the "calf gate" and then load the other horse. Each has a 10' stall to themselves.

                        I'm not sure what slats horses can get their legs through posters have commented on...there aren't low slats on any I've seen made in the past 20 years, the openings start much higher up.

                        I don't like slant loads...personal preference and way too claustrophobic when loading "problem" horses.
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                        • #13
                          I have a big straight load with chest bars and have never had any problems with it. But, the divider system is also completely removable, so I could haul with it as an open box if I wanted.
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                          • #14
                            We had a frightening experience with a 2 horse straight load years ago (it ended ok for the horses, but I wouldn't drive or load alone after that) that made us look at stock trailers. We ended up with a new Exiss 24' STK. LOVE IT! It has 3 box stalls with dividers from floor to ceiling. The slats are much too small and high to get a leg through. The box stalls are large and even the most paranoid, claustrophobic loaders will get on it. We have had 3 huge warmblood mares with foals on it without an issue. We can also open it up and the dividers attach to the wall so that a mare can have two box stalls withher foal and I still have the box on the back to haul another mare/foal combo.
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                            • #15
                              I like stock trailers with slant dividers. I have never had a horse get up and over a slant divider. Studies show they are more comfortable traveling on a slant like that.

                              I also think goosenecks are safer. They are more stable if you are surprised with bad weather. And I have a friend who had a hitch break and because the gooseneck slammed into the tailgate and wedged there, he was able to stop with ZERO injuries.

                              I have also seen a horse climb partway out the "escape door" in a two horse. We had to shove her front hooves back in with a piece of wood. Scary as hell. She was only scratched.

                              Bottom line, you will experience far less loading/hauling drama with a stock or slant load. You can "squeeze" an unhandled horse or bad loader into a stock trailer with panels in an emergency, and they generally do not suffer any injuries as a result.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by MandyVA View Post
                                Oooh, good topic.

                                I have a small, very small, two horse stock. It's totally open inside, no dividers of any kind. I
                                Edited to add: Mjrtango, I think the same danger would exist in a trailer where the dividers don't go all the way to the floor as far as kicking. I also don't think I've ever seen a stock trailer where the openings were low enough or big enough to get a leg through. My horse would have to bust his head through the roof to get a leg up far enough to get near the slats...and they're too small for that anyway.
                                I agree. I, too, haul a small stock and there is no way in the world a horse could get a foot between the slats. I don't use a divider either but I only haul one horse at a time.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Iron Horse Farm View Post
                                  We had a frightening experience with a 2 horse straight load years ago (it ended ok for the horses, but I wouldn't drive or load alone after that) that made us look at stock trailers. We ended up with a new Exiss 24' STK. LOVE IT! It has 3 box stalls with dividers from floor to ceiling. The slats are much too small and high to get a leg through. The box stalls are large and even the most paranoid, claustrophobic loaders will get on it. We have had 3 huge warmblood mares with foals on it without an issue. We can also open it up and the dividers attach to the wall so that a mare can have two box stalls withher foal and I still have the box on the back to haul another mare/foal combo.
                                  I have a two horse slantload stock, and the slats are too high and too small (and only two of them - the rest of the side is solid) for a horse to put a leg through. For now, I haul with the divider tied over, since it's usually just my horse. He gets in there, braces his hind legs apart and I swear, he doesn't move the entire trip - just eats, eats, eats. LOL When I picked him up from the breeder as an unstarted 3 year old, he loaded slowly but quietly, and every time I checked him during the 4 to 5 hour drive home, he was in exactly the same position. The only injury to a horse I've ever had was when a friends QH freaked out and reared, then came down and wacked his head on the edge of the divider. He scraped off some skin, and we were both concerned about just how hard he might have hit his head, but he turned out to be okay. Bet he had a bit of a headache, though.

                                  Now, many years ago, my old event trainer had a stallion go bonkers in the trailer while it was parked and she was in the process of unloading him. He managed to get his left hind over the divider and cut himself up pretty badly, but fortunately, no permanent damage (other than the fact that she had him gelded shortly thereafter!!!). They tranq'ed him and disentangled him, and there were a lot of stitches, but no serious damage. Sort of a freaky accident, though, and I don't think it would be an example of "stock trailers are dangerous."

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                                  • #18
                                    I have a three horse slant, with drop down windows on the head, and livestock panels on the butt, and rear sides. I bought it specifically because I was sick of HOT trailers. I have the plexiglass in for the winter, and it allows just enough air to be comfortable, with the top vents closed, and the windows shut. I like being able to adjust all of these components to make it comfortable for whatever the weather might be.

                                    Internally, it is set up with dividers that can all be pinned back, to make it one large space, or, you can use one, or two, of the dividers. I love the versatility of that set up, as well.

                                    It has a lovely dressing room- and is really terrific to show out of.
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                                    • #19
                                      I haul an Adam stock/combo straight load. The side walls have 4ft of solid steel then an additional 3ft of stock sides. I love my trailer.

                                      If you're worried about the chest bars, you can stack hay up front to the height of the bars. If the horse rears and manages to get a front leg over the bar, the hay can provide the leverage it would need to get itself down. A breeder friend of mine does that when hauling young horses in her straight load. It also doubles as a snack bar!

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                                      • #20
                                        http://www.metzlerauto.com/TrailerPics/7322.jpg

                                        That is the same type of stock trailer I own, I'm pretty sure it's near impossible for a horse to get a leg up there, much less through the slats. There's one gate in the middle to cut it in half, about two inches off the ground, slats are same height. The top of the middle gate is probably two or three inches from the ceiling, no room for hooves.

                                        I've hear some horrible stories about accidents involving aluminum slant loads and horses. My trailer is steel and I'm sure it could stand up to an accident. I pray I'll never have to find out.

                                        I assume this would be the type of trailer a horse could easily break a leg in.
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