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  • Temple Grandin "Animals Make Us Human"

    If you like her writing or not, if you agree with what she has to say or not, this book is very, very interesting on several levels and I think deserves a thread of it's own:

    Temple Grandin "Animals Make Us Human".

    Yes, it has a chapter on horses.

  • #2
    does it have pictures?
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      #3
      Originally posted by Sugerbunnikins View Post
      does it have pictures?
      No, it is one of those books you are supposed to use your imagination.
      As you read along, you make pictures of your own in your head.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bluey View Post
        No, it is one of those books you are supposed to use your imagination.
        As you read along, you make pictures of your own in your head.
        ooh, i made the quoty thing work this time!!!!

        don't they call those movies though?
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        • #5
          I added it to my wish list on Amazon! I am still trying to get through "Thinking In Pictures" to get some insight into my sons world of Autism.

          Thanks for posting. It would make for a good discussion once read, I understand she has come to some very different conclusions on animal behavior.
          No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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          • #6
            I just added it to my wish list as well. I loved "Animals in Translation" and have admired Ms. Grandin's work for many years. Thanks for mentioning the new book!
            "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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              #7
              Originally posted by MSP View Post
              I added it to my wish list on Amazon! I am still trying to get through "Thinking In Pictures" to get some insight into my sons world of Autism.

              Thanks for posting. It would make for a good discussion once read, I understand she has come to some very different conclusions on animal behavior.
              Yes, she does that and it is very interesting.

              Autism is considered a spectrum in that each individual is affected a little bit different along certain common characteristics.
              Temple Grandin is considered HFA, a high functioning autistic person.
              She gives credit to some of her insights into how she understands animals think and they and people interact to her individual idiosincratic, autistic type of thinking patterns.

              Yes, very interesting.

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              • #8
                Thanks-I read her other book Animals in Translation. Very intresting book. I didn't know much and still don't know much about autism but she puts a very different face to it than what is generally shown in the media.

                Very interesting perspective to things...

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                • #9
                  I read Animals in Translation and found it interesting but I totally disagreed with several points she made about horses. At one point she claimed that all black and white paints were crazy in particular the blue eyed ones...or that they were nuttier than solid colors or something bizarro like that. Having a large number of totally calm and normal "paint" marked horses to include blue eyes, I felt that was totally off the mark. I recall noting a few other things she said that struck me as weird but can't remember specifics.

                  I think anyone who reads her books needs to realize that it is her opinions mainly from her unique perspective and not scientific facts that she is writing about.
                  Last edited by Ridge Runner; Jan. 12, 2009, 01:22 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                    I read Animals in Translation and found it interesting but I totally disagreed with several points she made about horses. At one point she claimed that all black and white paints were crazy in particular the blue eyed ones...or that they were nuttier than solid colors or something bizarro like that. Having a large number of totally calm and normal "paint" marked horses to include blue eyes, I felt that was totally off the mark. I recall noting a few other things she said that struck me as weird but can't remember specifics.

                    I think anyone who reads her books needs to realize that it is her opinions mainly from her unique perspective and not scientific facts that she is righting about.
                    Actually, she was writing about genetics. "The Dangers of Trait Over Selection." Some desired traits (such as the colour white for example) may be genetically linked to other undesireable traits (such as deafness) for example. So if you breed for a certain characteristic, you may be unintentionally getting an undesireable trait along with it. Here is another research article she has written on the subject:

                    http://www.grandin.com/references/horse.genetics.html

                    By the way, she does have a doctoral degree.

                    http://www.grandin.com/professional.resume.html
                    "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                    • #11
                      i thoroughly enjoyed animals in translation, and having been aroud horses for 30 years breeding, training and starting them most of what she said made a lot of sense to me

                      a lot more sense than a lot of the NH stuff i'm afraid to say

                      maybe we all learn about horses differently and i just don't get NH, i get Temple Grandin tho

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                        I read Animals in Translation and found it interesting but I totally disagreed with several points she made about horses.
                        I did not agree with some of her statements about dog aggression, so I understand where you're coming from.

                        She is a fascinating person and brings a unique perspective which I really appreciate.

                        She's fallible just like the rest of us, even if she has lots of letters behind her name. The thing I like about her is that she's not namby pamby. She tells it like it is. I don't spend a lot of time wondering what agenda she's pushing, or what her personal bias are, stuff like that. You no likee? Fine. You likee? Fine. No histrionics or manipulation - just lays it out there.

                        Very refreshing.
                        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                        -Rudyard Kipling

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Eclectic Horseman View Post
                          Actually, she was writing about genetics. "The Dangers of Trait Over Selection." Some desired traits (such as the colour white for example) may be genetically linked to other undesireable traits (such as deafness) for example. So if you breed for a certain characteristic, you may be unintentionally getting an undesireable trait along with it. Here is another research article she has written on the subject:

                          http://www.grandin.com/references/horse.genetics.html

                          By the way, she does have a doctoral degree.

                          http://www.grandin.com/professional.resume.html
                          So what?

                          I don't see references to real studies where she can prove that black and white blue eyed horses are any more "crazy" than any other color so I'm to believe it is true despite my own experiences simply because she has a doctorate and she wrote it in a book? I even know a breeder who specializes in black and white paints and guess what??? None are crazy or defective and plenty of blue eyes in their herd.

                          The problem is that when someone of her reputation puts something into print even if it's way off base like that and with no scientific evidence, people believe it because she has a doctorate. She's not infallible and I find statements like that to really make me question some of her other observations and wonder how much is opinion and how much is fact.

                          I did not say her entire book was junk and I do appreciate her unique perspective but I really do think people need to realize that she's writing about her OWN observations and her own perspective...not always scientific facts.

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                          • #14
                            I recently discovered that my husband spends a couple of days a year with this lady, in his job.
                            He was shocked that I knew who she was, and next year I SWEAR I'm having her over for dinner! (All that travelling she does, she'll like a real meal, right?)

                            I love her stuff and my SO who isn't an "animal person" at all, is absolutely in awe of her.

                            NJR
                            Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaviour does.

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                            • #15
                              see daydream believer i have the same problem with the NH gurus. they state something as fact-such as the fact that chewing is a sign the horse is thinking-when in my experience it just isn't

                              i understand your frustration.

                              still, in the main, her book AIT has a lot to offer IMO

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                              • #16
                                I liked the last one,haven't read this one-very unique perspective. Nobody is right all the time.

                                Like the trainer I have my mustang with. Old cowboy type, riding since he learnt to walk type-does a little bit NH(that was a no no for me-but liked the horses he trained,so overlooked that), does some clicker training-but he just uses a whole bunch of tools and depending on the horse uses whichever method comes in handy. it is not one principle that is the be all and end all to every horse.

                                I think most can filter and see if something fits or not. But I found it valuable and not for her Ph.D.

                                Daydream Believer on another note I think it was you or someonelse who mentioned you were going to AZ for the Grand Canyon Mule ride. Just be careful-they now have speed cameras all over their freeways -so if you are not aware you could get a couple of speeding tickets in the mail and you won't even know it till you get it in the mail!!

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                                • #17
                                  I guess someone needs to tell Mickey Blue Eyes he's crazy, he thought he was just being a funny guy. I haven't met a more socialable horse who is very cooperative. The only crazy thing he does that I know is to have an
                                  insatiable desire to be with people, his owner in particular. He must be crazy because he also loves crowds. As a mostly white with black overo with blue eyes I guess he should be quite looney.

                                  She has her opinion based on her exposure, experience and education and I suppose she's done a study but that doesn't mean she has all the answers. If she can be contradicted she can't be right all the time. She's one person with an opinion. There are other people with other opinions that are quite different from hers so no need to put her on a pedestal because she has done some research and shares it with people.

                                  I'm sure she offers some valid points too.



                                  Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                                  I read Animals in Translation and found it interesting but I totally disagreed with several points she made about horses. At one point she claimed that all black and white paints were crazy in particular the blue eyed ones...or that they were nuttier than solid colors or something bizarro like that. Having a large number of totally calm and normal "paint" marked horses to include blue eyes, I felt that was totally off the mark. I recall noting a few other things she said that struck me as weird but can't remember specifics.

                                  I think anyone who reads her books needs to realize that it is her opinions mainly from her unique perspective and not scientific facts that she is writing about.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Nojacketrequired View Post
                                    I recently discovered that my husband spends a couple of days a year with this lady, in his job.
                                    He was shocked that I knew who she was, and next year I SWEAR I'm having her over for dinner! (All that travelling she does, she'll like a real meal, right?)

                                    I love her stuff and my SO who isn't an "animal person" at all, is absolutely in awe of her.

                                    NJR
                                    If you do have her over for dinner, let us know what you think of her. She's an interesting character..

                                    And I really enjoyed Animals in Translation. I don't agree with her 100% of the time, either - but I don't agree with everyone 100% of the time. And I have the same letters after my name that she does... but we're still human.
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                                    • #19
                                      The problem with some readers (and I see it quite frequently on this board) is that if someone makes a generalization that "sometimes" or "often" such and such happens---

                                      and the reader has a first hand experience with one such and such then they shout that the generalization is NOT TRUE!

                                      "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                                      • #20
                                        I just heard the tail end of an interview with her on NPR.
                                        She sounded fascinating.

                                        I've heard of her book on slaughter practices and now I may have to get it from the library.

                                        Since we have blizzard conditions forecast for tomorrow that could be the day I do it.
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