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  • Does this sound like a scam?

    A person wants to relocate from out of state to my barn. I've been in contact but he has not furnished any personal information yet. I've told him what I need prior to his horse coming; coggins, health certs, deposit, etc. He emailed me today & wants to send me a large sum of money for me to deposit. Once I do, I keep my deposit money and wire the rest to the shipper. This just sounds like a scam to me - has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

    My questions are #1 - why doesn't he just wire the money directly to the shipper? #2 - I can find the shipper's name etc. on Google, but how do I know she's not in on the scam? #3 - does $4000 sound like an AWFUL lot of money to transport from either NH or KS to PA (again, I'm not sure where the horse is coming from)?

    Help!
    "A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Rick Warren

  • #2
    Very common scam. Sorry! Non-scammers pay their own shippers.

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    • #3
      total scam

      anything involving wire money to shippers and then you reimburse some part of the (forged check) money= scam!

      ETA:Sorry - I seem to be incoherent! The deal is you will get paid with a fake check of some kind, but by the time you and your bank figure that out you will already have reimbursed him with real money. So he gets your real money and you get screwed.

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      • #4
        SCAM !!!!!!!!

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        • #5
          Total SCAM.

          He will send you the money by "cashiers check". You deposit it -- the bank takes it and you think you have the money. He asks you to wire "the shipper" by Western Union. You email the money and it is gone from your account.

          Unfortunately, because of the ways banks work, if the cashier's check is fake (and it will be), the bank can legally take that money back from your account, even though you've spent part of it by sending it to the 'shipper'. Unfortunately, you WON"T be able to get your money back from Western Union.

          Anyone who asks you to take more than you're asking for and send excess money to another person is a SCAM. Precisely because of what you noticed -- there's no reason why they can't send the money to the "shipper" themselves (though they will have a long story to "explain" why they can't, usually involving a business trip to another country). Never act as someone's bank or middleman to transfer funds.
          ...somewhere between the talent and the potato....

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            #6
            That's what we've been thinking too, but as soon as you said Western Union - that's what he wanted.

            Ok - beware!! He wanted to come for 2months and even gave me a tracking number - I checked Fedex and there is a delivery scheduled (but of course - it's fake) I checked the name of the "person" that is to be the shipper and she does not come up in any legitimate horse business. Here's the names: He goes by Ronald the email is Ann_godman@yahoo.com & has an American Cream Draft - the "shipper" is Jennifer Folsom of Overland Park, KS. I am forwarding all this information to the FTC!!
            "A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Rick Warren

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            • #7
              And even though a reputable shipper's name was on the western union wire, some guy in Nigeria actually picks it up because he's the one to whom you sent the code.

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              • #8
                If his $4K check does show up, take it - and the envelope! - to a meeting with someone from your bank and from the police. They will likely also involve the feds (mail fraud).
                Incredible Invisible

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MoonWitch View Post
                  #3 - does $4000 sound like an AWFUL lot of money to transport from either NH or KS to PA (again, I'm not sure where the horse is coming from)?
                  Do you really need an answer to that?

                  Scam.
                  If wishes were horses then beggars would ride...
                  DLA: Draft Lovers Anonymous
                  Originally posted by talkofthetown
                  As in, the majikal butterfly-fahting gypsy vanners.

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                  • #10
                    Scam. It's too bad that they find ways to try to scam us for anything, even board! I'm beginning to find it very difficult to try and sell things online at sites like craigslist.

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                      #11
                      Update: I told him that I was forwarding any and all correspondence to the Federal Trade Commission (which I did) and am contacting authorities.

                      I know - duh, right? Is it wrong to believe the best in people and not expect to get slammed? BTW, he chose and "American Cream Draft" which are extremely rare. I guess the first thing he should have done was his homework. I plan on posting his email to warn others!!

                      Thanks Everyone!
                      "A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Rick Warren

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                      • #12
                        I got this one too. There is another thread on this too!
                        www.ncsporthorse.com

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                        • #13
                          If the incoming funds are a wire transfer then you're probably OK as those are "real money." Any paper document means you cash and HOLD the funds for a minimum of 14 working days. Then disburse as required. To be sure about this talk to your local bank. They can fully explain the process to you.

                          Still, if this were proposed to me, I'd wonder why I'm being used as a "middleman." Transport contracts are best done between owner and shipper with me as a "third party" to the contract only as reciever of the horses. I would, of course, verify their condition upon arrival as part of an "acceptance protocol." If any fees were due upon arrival I'd require that money be forwarded to me by wire transfer for the reasons stated above.

                          If fees were very small (a couple of hundred dollars or so) I'd probably "front" them on the theory that I have physical possetion of the horse and a lien for any money spent on their care.

                          G.
                          Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                          • #14
                            The VERY VERY common sort of scam, used on EVERYTHING advertised for sale/lease/WHATEVER, is to send you fake money (although VERY cleverly forged) for more than the advertised amount, and you send THEM your REAL money. This has been going on for YEARS. About three years ago, I saw on the TV news where three separate local people ("selling" a truck, a refrigerator and other things) had been taken in. At the time, I'd been aware of it for so long that I wondered how ANYONE could not know. Apparently word hasn't spread as far as i thoughtit would.

                            If they don't send you the REQUIRED documents (Coggins results, etc.) the deal isn't on ANYWAY. Just wait for that.

                            Note that the forged fake money is so cleverly done (they sapparently spend their money on THAT instead of English lessons) that BANKS are fooled. So banks will sometimes ACCEPT the fake money. BUT -- when it doesn't clear, then You have to reimburse the bank for the money they gave you for the fake money. In YOUR REAL money again.

                            Note to MoonWitch: they didn't "choose" an American Cream Draft. They just send e-mails to ANYONE advertising ANYTHING for sale/lease/WHATEVER. And have added fake "jobs" where you do nothing and get sent "money" for more than the agreed-upon amount, and again send them YOUR REAL MONEY for the "difference".

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