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  • To the person who doesn't want to lose any more weight, maybe you can eat healthier things, but eat more of them? For example, substitute whole grain products for highly processed products? Actually, that can go for everything, I bet. I think given all of the additives and processing in prepared foods, just switching to cooking your own and paying attention to labels is a big step toward eating a healthier diet. If you are still having a problem maintaining weight, maybe add some healthier fats, like cooking things in olive oil and such.

    I don't think I have been terribly strict about the way I have followed South Beach. I was strict the first two weeks, but have since then eased up considerably. I haven't added back any real sugar on a regular basis, but I have been eating whole grain foods once or twice a day. For example, I have been eating oatmeal most days for breakfast (not bad with some crushed walnuts, cinnamon, and a packet of equal for flavor), and then with either lunch or dinner I might have something in a whole wheat roll-up or pita, or a slice of bread. I usually do at least one meal a day with no bread or grains. I have also been eating a grapefruit a day (I love grapefruit!!), and snacking on a few dried apricots fairly regularly. I am also enjoying strawberries fairly regularly. I feel very healthy and have not been getting headaches in the afternoon like I used to.

    One of my favorite things is to make a pizza with whole wheat dough. It is a really nice treat, and one or two pieces fills me up. You just follow a regular pizza dough recipe and substitute equal for sugar and whole wheat flour for the white flour.

    Another good substitute for flour or breading in recipes is soy flour. It has a slightly coarser texture than normal flour, more like bread crumbs.

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    • Atkins does let you have carbs. I'm on lifetime maintenance and I'm probably eating 60-80 a day. I have a nice variety in my diet of fruits, veggies, and proteins like meat & cheese. The difference to me is that for the first time a diet directed me to stop the processed foods, trans fats, sugars, etc... No low cal, low fat diet I ever tried addressed that...but Atkins did and so does South Beach, Sugarbusters, etc.... No other diet ever helped me to lose the weight I wanted and keep it off either. I think there is a lot of misinformation on what Atkins really had to say and I have delt with that here at work too. Everyone here thought I was going to die or something by now and kept telling me it was so unhealthy. If that is so, why do I feel so much better? I am back to the weight when I was 20, my IBS is gone, face cleared up, sugar related issues gone, etc....

      "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

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      • A_work_in_progress - that was a poor choice of words for me to imply that some of these diets don't allow for carbs at all. Like I said, I realize that a lot of people are getting good results on a lot of these diets. *I* just do not believe they are healthy in the long run, given that (in the case of carbs) a healthy diet of, say, 1800 calories a day, at 40/30/30 gives you 180g of protein and 135g of carbs, then 30g of carbs is 6% and, assuming the fat stays the same, 64% protein. *I* just don't see how that is healthy in the long run, and I'm not the only one. JMHO. That's all.
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        • just to reiterate one last time.....the first phase of atkins---which can be from as little as two weeks to several MONTHS allows for 20g or less of carbs PER DAY....that's 3 cups of salad greens or 2 cups of salad and one cup of one of their list of acceptable veggies (ex: artichokes, snow peas, onions, broccoli, cabbage, okra). So yes....once you get past the first phase you can eat more vegetables....but in the first phase you cannot. Maybe in some of the others...south beach or the zone this imbalance is rectified but to me, that was the biggest drawback of atkins. I don't think anyone claima Atkins is NO carb, but 20g per day is pretty darn close at first.

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          • To any nay (neigh?)sayers, I like to plagerize Tom Ivers' "what works is real" and low carb works for people. Yes, it "allows" high fat foods, but honestly, I havent met anyone who scarfs them down constantly. Since being on this diet, it makes me think about what i'm eating, and planning to eat, instead of stuffing what EVER is around down my gullet. It makes you THINK about food instead of ingest it, which is a good thing.
            my bf and I eat beef about once a week, and chicken, fish or veggies the rest, and our absolute fave is Ground turkey simmered with taco seasoning, onions, tomatoes, peppers, sprinkled with some cheese and sour cream, then put into iceburg lettuce for 'wraps'
            YUMMY!
            I dont limit the amount of veggies I have, but I avoid high-carb veggies right now and stick to Asparagus, spinach, broccoli, cauliflour (mashed like mashed potatoes ! YUM!), zucchini, brussel sprouts and green beans.
            i have no problem dropping weight and eating all of this, plus all the salad I want to eat.

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            • People used to comment that I wasn't getting nutrition from being a veggie - I'd wonder if they were getting nutrition from the McMeal!

              If all you ate carb wise is white flour and sugar.... like many americans, than 2 or 3 cups of salad a day on Atkins is a huge improvement. All is disallows that is good is whole grains.... and how many people eat whole grains?

              I will say the fruit thing is funny - fruit is a good thing. SB allows it (after the beginning), not sure about Atkins.....

              The witchy witch witch of south central NC.
              The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

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              • the 20 phase of atkins is 2 weeks, no longer, after that you start adding "healthy" natural carbs bit by bit.

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                  JB ... sorry for getting cranky. I just get a little frustrated sometimes that at the mis-information that gets thrown at me on a fairly regular basis on this one.

                  I know the 20 carb start seems low but the basic principle makes alot of sense to me. The first premise is that there is some kind of imbalance at work in your body to cause the situation (. IF that is the case, then the second premise is that you can't fix an unbalanced situation with a balanced diet. (Think of a seesaw. If its weighted down at one end and you add 100lbs to each end at the same time, what happens?) So you add a purposeful imbalance and slowly adjust until you get a normal (for your body) equilibrium.

                  After the first 2 weeks, you add about 5g of carbs/week until the weight loss peters out. The point which you stop losing is your personal balance point, you track that and then re-adjust below that point to continue losing weight. That is why fruit is out in the beginning, the sheer quantity of natural sugars can blow you out of the water if you don't know that your body can handle the influx. Think about it, if a diabetic has a problem with low blood sugar ... they are told to get ahold of some hard candy or oj. Both will provide an equal jolt to the blood sugar levels, despite the fact that one is definitely healthier than the other.

                  There's a bunch of other metabolic processes involved ... but I've rambled enough.

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                  • ok i read this thread with a TON of interest...as i am, what my ex boyfriend used to say....a CARB HO!!! I WILL PUT OUT FOR PASTRY

                    i have pcos (poly cystic ovarian syndrom) and one of the symptoms is whacked out blood sugars, glucose tolerance messed up, etc. they put me on glucophage, dropped my sugars too much, so i went off it

                    then i read the carbohydrate addict book--verrrrrrrrry interesting reading -- if you havent read it i suggest it--according to it, if you eat no carbs all day then allow one hour a day to eat carbs you will lose weight.

                    thought it was a great idea-but i couldnt make it past noon.

                    i think if i gave up carbs i would literally become physically ill-if i do go with a low carb diet how do you deal with the physcial withdraw?

                    i need to get either the SB or atkins books and read---i dont know what is and is not allowed....

                    but out of curiosity, is anyone out there who is on atkins or sb also dealing with PCOS?

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                    • Folks, unless this thread gets horse-related, I'm going to have to close it...

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                      • ummmmmmmmm how about if i can get some help eatting less carbs which will make me lose weight which my horse will loff....?????

                        actually, i think someone else said that dropping the pounds magically makes the coat look better?

                        fitting into old show clothes we "outgrew"?

                        not having to go by more in a larger size?

                        molly
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                        www.oasisequestrian.com
                        Co-founder of White Trash Dressage (WTD)
                        http://www.lulu.com/mavw1971
                        also available on Amazon.com
                        http://www.cafepress.com/wtdressage

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                        • How people OD on carbs and horses also OD on carbs (grains, sweetfeeds, etc) and nutritional research has shown neither is good for either.

                          When you find yourself on the edge of a cliff, a step backward is progress

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                            Erin ... Does the fact that losing weight means that either hitting the dirt will hopefully hurt less or maybe I'll even hit the dirt less count? (I've been doing that WAAAAY to much lately *ouch)

                            Note to self: Plus size rider + last second duck out by horse = world class thud

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                            • Will horse show food vendors step on the low carb craze? I bet if I went to WEF with a low carb food trolley, I'd be one rich person real quick!

                              The witchy witch witch of south central NC.
                              The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

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                              • well my jeans aren't fitting so good as they once did... never mind breeches with elastic stuff in them. ewww. i for the life of me can't "follow the rules" of a diet. and in the military, I eat chow hall or drive thru. I don't ever cook for myself.

                                I like to keep it simple for my blonde self:

                                less food, more exercise.

                                So I eat whatever I want, but small amounts. which takes discipline, but I never count calories. And I only drink water. ANd drink at least 1 glass before eating, it makes me eat less. And spend 45 minutes on the elliptical machine, then go out to the track and run for 15 minutes. SO I get 1 hour of exercise, sweat a little, and not scarf down food.

                                Don't get me started on Ben and Jerry's... you haven't met an ice cream freak until you've met me!

                                I'm trying to lose 20 lbs and have lost 5 in the last 2 weeks. Hoorah! Maybe I can look goood in breeches in a couple months after all.

                                *yeah I'm sure they're grey. just scrape the mud off!*
                                *yeah I\'m sure they\'re grey. just scrape the mud off!*

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:

                                  If all you ate carb wise is white flour and sugar.... like many americans, than 2 or 3 cups of salad a day on Atkins is a huge improvement. All is disallows that is good is whole grains.... and how many people eat whole grains?

                                  The witchy witch witch of south central NC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  You seriously think no one eats whole grains? And no whole grains on Atkins? I'd die. Beans and rice are my favorite, but I guess that's too many carbs. What a load of hooey.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
                                    Will horse show food vendors step on the low carb craze? I bet if I went to WEF with a low carb food trolley, I'd be one rich person real quick!

                                    The witchy witch witch of south central NC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    They already are!!! The coffee/smoothie vendor that comes to a lot of Bob Bell's shows was in Jacksonville, and she had low-carb BROWNIES, a low-carb Chai-latte mix (only 4 grams!) and some low carb muffins and stuff! She'll be headed to Gulfport like usual I'm sure.

                                    What I don't understand is a lady ordering in front of me exclaims "oh wow low carb brownies!" then procedes to order herself a large HOT CHOCOLATE...lol that only has probably 75g of carbs, and pure sugar at that!

                                    I was on Atkins for two years- I got mono and had to quit then I just somewhat got tired of it. I've gained a lot of weight though, so I may have to start again!

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
                                      Will horse show food vendors step on the low carb craze? I bet if I went to WEF with a low carb food trolley, I'd be one rich person real quick!

                                      The witchy witch witch of south central NC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                                      • Back in '96, I knew I wanted to get out to some shows for the first time in years. I tried on my old faithful riding jacket...ok, must have shrunk, right? 'Cause I couldn't button it . It was either spend lots of money to buy a new coat when I had a perfectly decent one already, or lose weight.
                                        So I went on my own tailored version of a low fat diet. Yep, I counted fat grams, and only allowed so many a day. Being something of an analytical whiz, that worked real well for me. And losing 20 pounds made a world of difference in my riding.
                                        Just in the past couple of years, the weight started to creep back - not the entire 20, more like 10. Only now it's worse, because this means my boots don't fit on my newly fatted calves
                                        But I just couldn't get up the energy to go low fat again. So I bought into South Beach. Worked out great, because it attacks all the same bad habits (for me) that the low fat diet worked on (ice cream, cookies, pastries all have too many fat grams as well as being high in carbs/sugar). With an added bonus - beer has no fat grams! So I could claim low fat and drink way too much beer! Now I have to be more honest about that little habit...hmm, but you know red wine is ok "in moderation"...I think I'm on to something.
                                        Only one cat - must not be totally crazy yet!

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                                        • I think this is very horse related--at least it is for me, because My favorite horse to ride, although he's over 17 hands, is about as wide as a a weekly newspaper, and I look downright funny on him
                                          I look reDICulous on him from the front or rear, because my butt is bigger than his
                                          hee hee!

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