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  • #21
    Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
    No. Read the blog. It's a tear-jerker.

    More jingles for Argus!!!
    Thanks War Admiral. I am reading and hooked! Jingles for Argus.

    BTW, how are you doing these days? Still thinking of you and HRH Avery.
    Lowly Farm Hand with Delusions of Barn Biddieom.
    Witherun Farm
    http://witherun-farm.blogspot.com/

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Trevelyan96 View Post
      Thanks War Admiral. I am reading and hooked! Jingles for Argus.

      BTW, how are you doing these days? Still thinking of you and HRH Avery.
      HRH Avery crossed the bridge on Dec. 5. So I'm... up and down, as you might imagine...

      ...and still lighting candles for Argus!!!
      "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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      • #23
        Cold winter jingles from snowy MA.

        I put a link to Saving Argus from my livejournal. My totally non-horsey friend from KY (yeah, I know, oxymoron) read it and was deeply moved and is sending positive thoughts Argus's way. Spread the word, people--you don't have to be a horse person to be touched by this story (and hey, maybe her other boy in need of adoption will find a home...I have to keep reminding myself, no room or money for a horse plus 3000 MILES AWAY.)
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        • #24
          Many Jingles for Argus and Ridge.

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          • #25
            Hi Watermark Fm,

            I'm glad I came across this thread and hope Argus is doing well. I've been posting on the anti-cast roller thread thinking my goodness, a horse with a smashed up pelvis getting cast - OMG, that's not going to be good (hence the 'please make sure he can lie flat', 'if he gets cast roll him as evenly as possible'). BUT reading on here, it sounds like an illium (sp?) injury; which is still pelvis but not as serious as some areas of the pelvis - phew! I'm so glad to see that and it's easy to understand how you could have missed it. I had a horse that had a bad rotational fall XC - broke his nose, split his knee down to the bone and had a tiny graze on his hip.

            Exactly one year later, the same event was our return to competition and the first time he'd been asked to go XC speed. Fantastic clear XC, horse very pleased with himself. Went to load him in the trailer and he wouldn't load. This was so uncharacteristic I got him checked out and we realised his ilium was fractured - but for a whole year (only part of which he was on box rest) we hadn't noticed The box rest for his knee has obviously allowed it to partially heal, it was only when he returned to hard work on hard ground the injury re-occurred. Bless his heart, we went through the healing again and he returned to full fitness - it's 16 years later now and though he's retired, he's 100% sound.

            Have you tried Comfrey as a supplement (for Ridge) - it's a herb - good for healing. It's common name in the UK is Knit-bone - does as it says on the tin. For Argie, an antacid might be an idea (Feedmark's Settlex is the best in the UK, i don't know if they are in the US, though I'm pretty sure I saw a stand for them at the Rolex 3DE in KY); it's likely that with his previously erratic diet he has some gut wall damage - though this is likely to have partly mended due to your care, the amount of meds he is getting may well irritate the gut wall again. Antacids are not a long term solution to gut wall irritation but may be worth it for the course of the meds.

            Damn, I've hijacked Argus' thread. I hope he's doing well; I've just read his whole blog; what a horse; we don't have pigeon fever in the UK - I had no idea. I really hope he is doing well. Good luck with him; he's lucky to be at Watermark.

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            • #26
              Today's post from Watermark Farm says Argus is feeling a bit better.

              How long does pigeon fever drag on? Is there a point at which you can determine that a horse has turned the corner and is out of the woods?

              Keeping my fingers crossed for Argus!!!

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              • #27
                Making progress one day at a time

                Argus is definitely feeling better. I have to be careful now because he feels more energy and he still cannot go run around because that could up his chances of having an internal abscess open up, which would be ultimately fatal. So we handwalk several times a day and I take him into the arena to have a good roll. He's having a harder time being kept in as he feels better. Confinement is scary for him. I have to take him out often to reduce the stress (he starts to weave badly)

                I've been told by the vets that treating internal pigeon fever is about a 3 month process of 2x/daily antibiotics and periodic blood work. Argus gets another blood panel done tomorrow, so it will be interesting to see what that looks like. Two weeks ago, his white blood cell count was 25,000 which is very high.

                Doodlebug, I'm giving Ridge (fractured pelvis) homepathic comfrey as I've been told about its bone healing properties. What amount do you give if you use the powdered dried herbs or tincture form? Your post was very informative. Ridge has a fracture through the ilium and the ilial body. Might be one long fracture or two separate ones. A good prognosis for healing. Thanks for your story, because it really helps me to hear positive outcomes. The vets are always so gloomy.

                Also, I've got Argus on ulcergard right now and also slippery elm bark to soothe his intestines. And tons of probiotics. But you are right, we do believe that he has some significant gut wall damage from his years of eating moldy bread and rotting lettuce, being stressed constantly, not getting any normal nutrients and never being wormed (although what parasite could live in a horse like that?). It very hard to put weight on Argus, and also he's not a very big eater. I did have him on 30 days Gastrogard when he first came here as we could see he was ulcery. Having the volunteer vet hand me 30 tubes of gastrogard that I didn't have to pay for was one of the biggest rushes of my adult life! Ha ha!

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                • #28
                  Hi there,

                  The best advice I can find re Comfrey is: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horse...1370&aid=39686

                  Horse and Hound is our equivalent of Chronicle of the Horse.

                  Re Argus being bored and claustrophobic.... You probably feed hay from the floor but one way of occupying him longer is using a small hole haynet - or 2 regular haynets, one inside the other.

                  Also have you seen Snack-a-balls: http://www.derbyhouse.co.uk/prodshow...=227&scats=227
                  They are only useful for pelleted feed and not great for supplements - but might be an idea. I have to say, I have one but my horses didn't really 'get it' until I used mints in it. Once they got the hang of it they liked it and I use it if I need to box rest horses.

                  Other occupying tricks are stringing up well, what we call swedes, but no; that isn't people of Swedish nationality... Ummm, kind of turnips with a more yellowy colour flesh. Drill a hole through them and tie on a string and they spend hours developing not-very-good-for-dressage muscles as they try and grab hold of it. I'm sure the same would work for any veg that he likes.

                  Apple bobbing - some horses love it. Does require changing/cleaning the water fairly regularly, especially if they are juicy apples.

                  Weight gain: it sounds like you are trying pretty much everything. Have you tried feeding oil? (Just regular, grocery store, oil is fine) it's a good way of adding calories (it's a slow release energy source, so not 'heating' like oats) without additional 'bulk'. Also good for coat/skin and joint mobility. A few things to be aware of:
                  Veg oil (cheapest) can be a blend of oils and a very small number of horses get a skin reaction - either feed a 'pure' oil (sunflower etc) or just small quantities first. Max recommended for feeding here in any one meal is 330ml - that's a coke can i think. Oil is absorbed in large intestine, along with roughage. Some evidence suggests that if lots of oil fed with cereals that it can coat the cereal (processed in small intestine) and therefore body never processes the cereal effectively. I'm sure you aren't feeding him much cereal anyway, but the reason I am saying this is that there may be a risk if you feed meds in his feed that the same could happen.

                  My horse isn't the only pelvic injury I've seen return to full work. One horse (hit by car) smashed pelvic cradle - returned to full soundness, another ilium injury (slipping on way into stable and catching on doorframe) again full recovery. Of course vets are right to be cautious, but it isn't all bad news.

                  That's it. all out of ideas for now...
                  Last edited by Doodlebug1; Jan. 14, 2009, 05:15 AM.

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                  • #29
                    Watermark, I am sending good thoughts to you, Argus, and Ridge. Hadn't looked at your blog for a while, so I was so sorry to see this thread here. Argus reminds me a lot of my own grey horse (blog in my sig).

                    I have another success story to share re: pelvic fracture. A client's TB mare fractured her pelvis badly when she had a rotational fall attempting to jump a 6' turnout fence at her old farm. The vets were very guarded about her prognosis, saying it was unlikely she'd be sound for riding ever again, and would definitely not be able to continue her career as a jumper. Five years later, she is totally sound and schooling over 4' courses, and will be showing again this year in the A/A jumpers. At her last show this past summer, she did a four bar class where she jumped 4'9". She does get regular chiropractic adjustments which I believe are a huge help in maintaining her soundness. So there is definitely hope, despite what the vets may say!

                    Best wishes to you and all your creatures, I really do enjoy reading your blog and hope to hear some good news about Argus soon!
                    Ristra Ranch Equestrian Jewelry

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                    • #30
                      I just posted but I think I lost it!

                      The vet called and Argus' latest bloodwork came back. White blood cell counts are now 11,592 down from 25,000 (!) two weeks ago. Fibrinogen is within normal range. Globulin elevated but that's to be expected. The vet says "not out of the woods yet, but he will live."

                      I am elated. Thank you to everyone who has pulled so hard for this deserving horse.

                      Katie & Argus
                      www.savingargus.blogspot.com

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                      • #31
                        More jingles from Florida for your horses and for you!
                        There are friends and faces that may be forgotten, but there are horses that never will be. - Andy Adams

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                        • #32
                          There's an Indian belief that all that's needed is a very small percentage of people to keep the world in balance by giving much of their lives to helping others. Argus' mom is definitely one of those folks.

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                          • #33
                            Yay for good news for Argus!
                            I can't wait for the day we get to read that he's back out in the paddock with his herd!

                            Hope Ridge is doing well, too!

                            (Those 2 boys remind me an awful lot of a big TB gelding that I got to ride the summer I was a working student... I miss him, but seeing them does my heart good!)

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                            • #34
                              Hi Katie,

                              Here are some pics of my horse's ilium fracture 17 years later!!

                              He returned to full work and lost none of his movement (he was a good dressage horse - for an eventer! - and returned to getting the same scores). Having said that, though he was capable of lateral work etc, I'm pretty sure his injuries wouldn't have stood up to canter pirouettes, though regular collected work was fine.

                              He's been retired from riding for about 3 years now, and tbh this is the first time I've really studied his pelvis since. Now it seems that the injured side is rounder than the other - odd! especially as he was always slightly more angular on the left than the right post-injury. You can though see that he is a bit unlevel as a result of the break.

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