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  • When I felt threatened, I called the police. I didn't start a freaking topic on the internet about how to handle the situation.

    In my opinion, that's the difference.

    "closure" HAH!

    Living vicariously through the wacko responses that happen when you advertise an item (or animal) for sale is all this is. Whether you advertise in print or on the internet, you open yourself up to bizarre responses.

    To the person who was reminded of the MJ experience, this is the major difference. MJ HAD a horse, she may have similar unmet needs in her home life that she needed to fictionalize her life to the bb but she actually caused the lingering and sad death of her own horse.

    This kid is not mine to absolve or forgive, just how COULD she aplogize to the freaking critics on this bb?

    Yes, were I her parent, I would respond to Flsh Gordon in apology for my child's irresponsible actions.

    She's not my kid.

    Where in Gods Green Earth the people micromanaging this family's problem on the COTH forums have a right to demand vicariously through the internet an apology I don't understand.

    This topic has gone way beyond someone posting an odd series of responses to their advertisements. It is eerily reminiscent of a story I had to study in high school "The Lottery"

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Although the villagers had forgotten the ritual and lost the original black box, they still remembered to use stones. The pile of stones the boys had made earlier was ready; there were stones on the ground with the blowing scraps of paper that had come out of the box Delacroix selected a stone so large she had to pick it up with both hands and turned to Mrs. Dunbar. "Come on," she said. "Hurry up."

    Mr. Dunbar had small stones in both hands, and she said. gasping for breath. "I can't run at all. You'll have to go ahead and I'll catch up with you."

    The children had stones already. And someone gave little Davy Hutchinson few pebbles.

    Tessie Hutchinson was in the center of a cleared space by now, and she held her hands out desperately as the villagers moved in on her. "It isn't fair," she said. A stone hit her on the side of the head. Old Man Warner was saying, "Come on, come on, everyone." Steve Adams was in the front of the crowd of villagers, with Mrs. Graves beside him.

    "It isn't fair, it isn't right," Mrs. Hutchinson screamed, and then they were upon her.

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The Lottery

    Friendship is Love without his wings
    -Lord Byron
    "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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    • Please fill me in. Who the heck is MJ? And what did she do?

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      • Do an advanced search on user name Musical Jumper or just start with We've had the talk I've dreaded and move on to So Sorry, Musical Jumper.

        You truly will be missing a bit if you fail to note all the posts she made during her "distress"

        It was sickening and far beyond this current topic.

        Friendship is Love without his wings
        -Lord Byron
        "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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        • quote originally posted by Snowbird:
          "I believe that when an adult does an illegal action and commits a crime it is unforgiveable, because by then they should know better. Adults do their evils for things like power, money, greed, selfish pleasure and control. Children do their crimes as a cry for attention, love, self esteem and security with their own identity."

          At 15 she can be tried as an adult. So in the laws eye she knows right from wrong, who are we to say she doesn't? Do I think someone should go over there and beat her up, no. But I do think she needs to realize the seriousness of her prank e-mails. To say that it should be dealt with sympathetically and to not take her actions seriously is a crock. When can her actions be taken seriously. At the age of 18 does she miraculously know right from wrong? If she is never told that waht she has done is wrong how are we to expect to her to not do it in the future. And what's the keep it from getting bigger than just prank e-mails??

          I've been away from this thread for a couple of days but this just really bugged me and I had to voice my opinion.

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          • Thank you Everythingbutwings! This has gotten out of hand and this is not the forum for dealing with the problem.

            It is afterall a "child" and not a serial killer, a felon or a sexual predator. And it is obviously a child that needs help and guidance it is not getting. I'm not sure that anyone understood your analogy of the stones. But, I would be more than delighted if they did.

            Please suddenly the law is superior to common sense and when did this happen? I do not agree that a 15 year old even though they know what is right and wrong understands the complex personal permanent extensions of an action.

            I think there are children who do not realize that unlike television the victim will not return next week. They do not comprehend the permanence of death. They play games of death on the computer and it is a game. How can you be so sure the child knows the difference between illusion and reality?

            I do not believe that those tried for capital crimes as adults should have been, but I also do not believe that after have murdered their parents they should be free at 18 or even 21. I do not believe they should be incarcerated with adults who will use them and further abuse them.

            And, before you reprimand the mother maybe you need to know the whole story of this child whether there is a divorce, whether the mother feels threatened. We are not here prepared to be the judge and jury to convict her of neglecting her child. And surely, we cannot judge the child but yes! for the benefit of the child if this behavior is continuing then surely report it to the police and not to us.

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            [This message was edited by Snowbird on May. 08, 2004 at 11:14 PM.]
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            • I just revisited the bb night mare that was the MJ saga.

              So many of us were wholeheartedly supportive on the basis of what we were told via the internet structure that is the COTH forums.

              We WANT to believe the best in people.

              Now, in my time distanced retrospective, I got to page 9 of 18 and found myself amazed and somehow pleased with our bb members that some were still supportive and optomistic for that sick child.

              I do hope she has no pets. I do not check her website, don't feed trolls is a good motto

              Friendship is Love without his wings
              -Lord Byron
              "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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              • Hey, don't take my post the wrong way. It was just an example of what can happen if people don't learn right from wrong. Heck, I don't want a ritual beating, or corporal punishment, or anything like that, just a stern talking to, preferably by the police saying "this is inappropriate, and if you do it again, action may be taken against you, thank you, and have a nice day". I know another mother who recently got a call from the cops, because her son was IM'ing friends, and they were all busting on one another, and one called the other gay. It was not meant seriously, they were just teasing each other. Happen every day, yep, right or wrong...who really knows. Where this story went wrong is that for some unknown reason they printed up the conversation. It was accidently left at school where a teacher found it and called the authorities for harassment I believe. Now that mother and her son get to have a sit down chat with the local authorities about what is and is not appropriate. I think that really sucks, but you know what, that kid probably won't say anything like that online for a while.
                I guess maybe what we should be focusing on is "Thank God it was a prank" and not trying this family in the court if public opinion. For flsh's sake, I do Thank God it was a prank. For my own personal reference, this is being added to a rather lengthy list of reasons I don't want to have kids. I don't want or need the responsibility, 1 of anything other than my horses, and 2 of making sure I raise a socially conscious member of society. I've done a good job with my horses so far. I somehow doubt I would have such luck with kids.

                Regarding my sense of humor: It may be sick, but it's the only one I got...

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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by silver:
                  ESG, you seriously think that this kid will undoubtedly progress to stealing valuable breeding stallions if not incarcerated asap? I agree she appears to be a pita but no-one here knows what the mother has done. For all we know the kid might have been shipped off to military school for this.

                  sheesh, OK, I'm done here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  No, I never said should be incarcerated - just disciplined and kept from perpetuating more internet mayhem. And just from what we know the mother has said ("Oh, it couldn't have been her"), forgive me for not being confident that the situation has been taken care of. Plus, bratlet is still doing it, as evidenced by her communication to lilindian's friend. What does that tell you about what mom has or hasn't done?

                  Silver, I know you have kids. What would your reaction be if someone came to you and told you that one of yours had done something like this? From what I've read of your posts, I doubt it would be "Not my darling!" and let the mayhem continue. I suspect you'd take care of the problem pretty sharpish. This mom hasn't. That's the only reason I see for getting the authorities involved, and not to put said bratlet in prison (although it might do her some good ).
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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:
                    When I felt threatened, I called the police. I didn't start a freaking topic on the internet about how to handle the situation.

                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    http://mbhs.bergtraum.k12.ny.us/cybe...rts/lotry.html

                    _Friendship is Love without his wings_
                    -Lord Byron[/QUOTE]

                    Wow. Now who's overreacting?

                    Drawing an analogy between a horror story concerning an age old tradition in a fictitious village and a fifteen year old bratlet who thinks it's fun to threaten and harasss people via the internet is just a bit much. There is no comparison between the two. One is fiction; the other, only all too real. And besides, I don't want to stone the bratlet - I want her mommy to take Precious's computer away for a while and ground her until she's 30. Not a pebble to be chunked her way for my sake.
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                    A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flshgordon:
                      T-Relic.....I fully realize that and actually did not expect her to answer the phone--I wouldn't. But it was the best of the available options as I sure as heck didn't want them having my phone number when I didn't even know who was on the other end!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      I realize it was best in your situation, just meant to point out that this will sometimes just cause a call to go unanswered in general. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend.
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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
                        Mystic... God no.... please no kids at 46!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                        I resemble this remark. And agree.

                        [QUOTEMy bet is , this kid is involved in way more than terrorizing some horse owner.the simple fact of the matter is... no one posting here is going to make one bit of difference. Period.[/QUOTE]

                        And that's the TROOF, as that Lily Tomlin character used to say -- having a brain cramp.
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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tory Relic:
                          And that's the TROOF, as that Lily Tomlin character used to say -- having a brain cramp.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          God, I loved that character!! Wasn't her name "Ruthanne" or something? That really brings back memories. I also loved her telephone operator character! Remember that one?! "One ringadingy ... two ringadingy ... I just love those! ..." and then she would snort!

                          [This message was edited by Mystic on May. 09, 2004 at 02:45 PM.]

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                          • And out come the italics...

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                            • ETBW: I just read the MJ posts. All 18 pages of one and what was it, 10 pages of the other?

                              Scary to think that I know girls who would distort the truth--ok lie--like that, and that I also know girls who would do the same email scam as the 15 y/o did to the OP.

                              Scary scary stuff.

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                              • EDITH Ann ... the six year old in the monster big rocking chair
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                                • Oh for crying out loud. Are we looking for things to fight about these days?

                                  Yes, the kid was bad. Yes, she did a very bad thing. However, some of these posts are beginning to sound like a mob out to get this kid. I seriously doubt she's the unreformable young psychopath some posters are making her out to be.

                                  Yes, her mother should punish her--her mother--not a bunch of bb'ers on an internet board. If her mother doesn't, well, then her mother made a bad choice but it's really not our choice to make.

                                  Had I done something similar as a child or teenager (well, we didn't have the internet so I guess I'd be stuck sending notes via carrier pigeon or smoke signals), my mother would have tanned my hide. No doubt about it.

                                  At the same time, had a bunch of "concerned adults" started pressing the issue and saying I didn't know right from wrong, I suspect mom would have been backing me and telling everyone to mind their own business.

                                  This is between Flsh and the mother. Not us. Flsh did what she needed to do--told the mother and filed a police report. What happens next is up to the mom.



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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RoyalTRider:
                                    And I also take exception to the "small deal" line. Yes, there are far worse things- but is it a small deal for a 15-year-old to threaten to come do what is in essence stealing a horse? Or harrasing someone? Or send such threatning lines that give the message I know where you live? That is most certainly not acceptable from a 15-year-old! Fifteen-year-olds KNOW better. Harassment and a threat to steal are NO small matter. You can bet if someone did that to me, they would see a police car- weather to arrest, to warn, or to give a talking to. That is absolutely NOT acceptable from a child of her age. "Testing limits" is snapping at a parent or not cleaning a room the fifth time one's been told- not harrasing someone. Not threatning to show up at thier house and commit theft.

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                                    I admit adhead of time that I am taking this somewhat out of context a bit... playing devil's advocate for a moment. But I think the real problem with this entire scenario as it pertains to the "teenage prank" is that this was a message sent to someone in a very threatening "tone". The thing is... people say and do things ONLINE that they would never DARE to do in person. The internet lends these people a sense of anonymity. You'd think getting busted by her mom would stop her, but it didn't... as lilindian received a bogus email, abeit not yet a threatening one as FLSH received.

                                    Serial killers send anonymous letters to their victim's prior to killing them, to the victim's families AFTER they've maimed and murdered their victims, in many cases they also bait the police and FBI with harrassing, teasing, or threatening hand-written letters... why is email so different? It truly isn't. There wasn't any way of knowing when the email was read by FLSH if this was a bogus email sent by a teenager or a real-live stalker intent on stealing her horse and doing heaven knows what else.

                                    We all hear stories of cyber stalking... when someone sends a threatening email we MUST take it seriously. When my kids are old enough to get online I will be very worried about their safety and if I ever thought for a moment one of them was sending out prank emails I'd be ticked off. I'd yank their computer privaledges and make them email an apology. FLSH had every right to take this as far as possible and press charges. In this day and age of teens and kids killing other kids, ANYONE can be a stalker, a murderer, a horse-thief. We cannot dismiss wrong-doing just because it resembles a "harmless prank".

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                                    • Arab, this would go nowwhere with the police and pressing charges. The best anyone can do is hope that the Parents care enough to do something about it, but usually kids don't behave in this way or even think about doing something like this if everything is hunky dory at home. Too bad the online ad services don't require people to go through them to answer ads. Solve a lot of problems.

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                                      • i was gonna stay out of this but........

                                        did or did not this girl send a similar email to another horse person?

                                        once i can see it being a "prank" and a sick one at that

                                        twice........thats an issue.......and if there are 2 there more than likely more

                                        i cannot imagine what i would do if i had received an email such as that--i would FREAK!

                                        someone said this girl is not a "psychopath"-the definition of psychopath is "mentally ill or unstable"--well to me it sounds as if this girl isnt dealing with 100% mental health----

                                        i would confirm the second email and confront the parents and child with this-it has uprooted your life and scared the snot out of you for a while; as a parent i would want to know-and police involvement might open my eyes a bit more

                                        mayhaps the police in MI need to be notified

                                        i wouldnt mess with this.....sometimes a nasty slap on the wrist will nip things in the bud

                                        no she didnt kill anyone and more than likely was innocent, but she needs to know its not funny nor acceptable

                                        i was a youth conselor for a looooong time and i firmly believe had some of those kids gotten the nasty slap on the wrist, they would not have wound up where they did

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                                        • hows vito? Cute little guy.

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