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  • I've been following this and will try to be brief. I'm biased:teenage "boys being boys" burned down our barn where we had all of our farm machinery and 20 tons of alfalfa stored. They stood and were watching it when the fire company arrived as well as the local police. They told the police they just wanted to see if hay in the baling machine would "still burn".

    My parents got angry phone calls from their parents because the police drove the kids home in the patrol car. Affluent development, reflected poorly on the parents.

    Snowbird, with all due respect-I consider myself a gentle creature. By all means, let kids be kids.

    But not on my time. And not on my pocketbook. And not on my property. And letting someone else's kids be kids ought NOT to impact my peace of mind! Let kids be kids on their property.

    As soon as my children are off my property, they know (16 and 14 years of age)their behaviour is bound by the rules, mores, and customs of the community they find themselves in-whether that is in school, a meeting they have to accompany me to, or the INTERNET. Yes, I have instructed them regarding the Internet and they agreed to abide by my non-negotiable, no-excuses-accepted Mandates for accessing their little friends online.

    Just re-read this and it is slipping into a rant, so I shall stop.

    Fishgordon, in my view, is owed an apology from this family.

    The families whose children burned our barn, hay and machinery never apologized either, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

    Prayer Continues,
    June

    "The world's greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos"
    \"The world\'s greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos\"

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by June:
      I've been following this and will try to be brief. I'm biased:teenage "boys being boys" burned down our barn where we had all of our farm machinery and 20 tons of alfalfa stored. They stood and were watching it when the fire company arrived as well as the local police. They told the police they just wanted to see if hay in the baling machine would "still burn".
      <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
      With all due respect hose kids were little psychos, not regular kids. And the parents are big psychos I hope their kids ended up in jail for arson

      I don't think sneding a stupid email is in quite the same category.

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      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oxerbound:
        I guess I had to sit through too many bomb threats in school to find sympathy for her.

        I graduated last year from high school and so was a jr and senior in the hot and sensitive time RIGHT after 9/11. We had a bomb threat at least once every term. Mostly from teenage girls with nothing to do. One of the excuses I liked was "I needed more time to plan a surprise birthday party for Jenny." So please pull all 2,000 of us out of the building to stand in the -20* windchill for 4 hours. Thanks.

        How is that ANY different from this little _"miss thaaang"_? I'm sick of dumb brats playing with people like this and wasting everyone's time. I guess I wouldn't have been so nice as Flsh - I would have tracked her down and given her to the police.

        The people who did the bomb threats got 1-3 years in prison. They knew what they did was wrong, and so does she. Sorry, too bad honey. It is our choices who make us who we are - not our surroundings. Perhaps she should have chosen differently.

        ------------------------------------
        "Sometimes I don't think before I speak, and it ends out coming stupid."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        I was a sophomore when Columbine happened... we had a bomb threat once a week for like 2 months after that. It was awful. And the scary part is we got so bored with bomb threats that are gaurd was so down by the time they tapered off. It would have been so easy for someone to do something to us, because someone had basically cried "wolf" so often.

        We also had a student that had a list of his peers' names with reasons he hated them and prioritized them.

        On the girl with the e-mails: she has OBVIOUSLY not learned that it is really unacceptable to do this because... shes doing it again (lilindian). Her mother obviously didn't do anything becasue she probably feels that it doesn't matter becasue she KNOWS her daughter and thinks it was a joke as well, but doesn't realize that maybe her daughter took it to far and scared the crap out of some other people.

        Knowing that its wrong isn't going to stop her, being punished for it might.

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        • posted May. 08, 2004 12:28 PM
          quote:

          With all due respect hose kids were little psychos, not regular kids. And the parents are big psychos I hope their kids ended up in jail for arson

          I don't think sneding a stupid email is in quite the same category.

          ****
          No offense taken at all. The kids never appeared in court, nor were fined. They were minors.

          How do you define "category"? And I'm not trying to be difficult at all, Silver.

          (obviously I still have "issues" regarding what these kids did. ).

          If I define "category" within the parameter that includes how other peoples' children directly impact my peace of mind and sense of being safe through no fault of my own, I think they fit, separated by degree, but they fit.

          I can also agree to disagree with you, too.
          Prayer Continues,
          June

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          • The kids who burned down your barn committed a fairly major crime. I cannot believe they were not charged, did you agree to drop the charges?. If they had been poor kids they would have been charged, minors or not. And i can say that from personal experience

            Sending prank emails is annoying and a bit creepy in this case but it's not like the girl actually STOLE the horse. She just got a bit carried away with a prank. Knowing kids that age, she probably thought it was hilarious and didn't mean to scare the recepient only to confuse them....

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RoyalTRider:
              Now, I certainly see both sides. I respect both sides. What I take strong exception to is the notion that she's "just a kid so still learning" theory because be that as it may, I can tell you at fifteen she knows better. Being fifteen is no excuse. And you go, Mistic! I hate hearing the "kids/ boys will be kids/ boys" because although children test thier limits, this is NOT, IMHO, an acceptable way of doing so.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Exactly what I wanted to say. A 15 year old should know better than to mess with people. I fully agree also with whoever said (I believe it was Snowbird) that they should just buy her a horse and get her away from the computer, though I suppose if she's anything like any of us, she'll still come back to the computer after a full day with the horses! The only thing I'd like to see happen is this girl sends the people she's been harassing an apology for her actions, and stops this stuff altogether. It's inappropriate behavior for a girl who I'm sure asks her mom, "Why don't you trust me?" as we all did at 15! My mother would not have tolerated those sorts of actions by me, so I don't expect any mother should, nor would. Those emails are incredibly disrespectful to the recipients, and all they're meant to do is stir up trouble. Someone mentioned that s/he would have immediately dismissed the email as obvious fraud, but as has been proven here not everyone will know they are fraudulent.

              "Plus, it's really confusing when you really ARE looking for the fruitbat and everyone's going around saying WTF so you think they're helping, but then no they're not really, they're just PO'd." ~bip, and her thoughts on Where's The Fruitbat?

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              • I like the idea of printing off the e-mails and sending it to the parents. and I also think flshgordon deserves an apology - what this girl did ended up leading to some scary thoughts and a police report. this girl needs to realize that what she did was wrong, and that she's lucky flshgordon was nice enough to leave it at what she did.

                as for the mother - it saddens me to see parents that make up excuse after excuse for their children, and don't discipline them at all. of course, I know nothing about the mother or the girl, but what the mother said sounded so familiar... my aunt is constantly making up excuses for her kids (who are now aged 21, 21 and 23). she always did, still does, and always will. they have never been disciplined properly, and she takes care of everything for them. as a result? one of them just spent another night in jail for ANOTHER drunk driving, and she drove 2 hours to get there and bail him out. if it were my son, he'd have spent the weekend in jail. and maybe if more parents would do things like that, then perhaps these "kids" would figure out that there are consequences for their actions.

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                • Christ, when I was fourteen I was working in a coffee shop - a real job. This wouldn't have crossed my mind.
                  Children, get a life. Parents, mind your kids.
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                  • So, has she apologized yet??

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                    • The point here is that people should be RESPONSIBLE for their actions.

                      Obviously this girl (and other examples mentioned on this thread) are NOT taking responsibility for the things they have done.

                      We wonder why our society is all goofed up, and yet we're sitting here saying "oh it was just a prank, all in fun..."

                      Well you can bet it wasn't fun to Flsh.

                      This child needs to learn that when she does good, bad, or downright naughty that her actions WILL have consequences; good or bad. Her parents should be helping out here by showing her that she needs to be responsible for the bad decisions she made.

                      If her parent's won't help her learn how to do this, and she can't do it on her own... I would argue that our society has failed in some way.... either to the parents or to the child, or both.

                      We can't take responsibilty for this child's actions, but we should not absolve her for it either. That isn't teaching anyone anything.

                      At the very least this girl owes Flsh an apology, and needs to try to understand how her message could be construed as frightening.

                      What happened to good old fassioned respect and politeness?

                      My brother plays *BIG* pranks to this day...

                      One night at summer camp, he was very busy and moved the plastic Kayaks at summer camp onto cabin roofs, playground equipment, and dining hall porch. When he got in trouble by the staff, for this "harmless prank" he took responsibility for his actions, apologized, realized they were concerned for his safety, (moving a kayak onto the roof of a cabin isn't really safe, and being by the waterfront at any time without supervision was completely against the rules) and life continued.

                      Ok. End rant.

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                      • Oh, I agree that the girl needs a good talking to and to apologize to flsh (the parents should apologize too IMHO and, oh yeah, they should get a clue too). BUT the fact remains that this was a kid that did something stupid and who probably didn't mean to cause any real harm. Everyone makes mistakes and I hardly think she should be condemmed so fast as an out of control menace.

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                        • I personally think this needs to be handled before it gets out of control.
                          I have a breeder friend who came home from vacation once, and found a broken down old pony in the stall where her rather large, beautiful TB stallion was supposed to be standing. I know it seems kinda funny in retrospect, but can you even imagine it? My friend fortunately remembered a sketchy person who had come to look at her stallions not to long before, and sent the cops out to look for him. Low and behold, her stallion was in a stall at the mare owners barn. Said mare owner stated "well, my mare came into season, and I couldn't get ahold of (said stallion owner), so I just borrowed him for a few days". Who in their right mind would think that was an appropriate thing to do, not to mention that stallions are unpredictable, and he very well could have been seriously injured on his "vacation". Said horse theif got slapped with a grand larceny charge, as he was a very valuable stallion.
                          I wonder what didn't happen in her youth that enabled her to make such bad decisions.
                          Obviously this girl has not learned her lesson since she is still sending out these e-mails. It needs to be addressed one way or the other.
                          For the record, I am 26, and never in my youth, which was not that long ago, would I have ever considered such a thing as this girl did. I hope flsh gets her apology, and I pray that this girl is taught a lesson one way or the other.

                          Regarding my sense of humor: It may be sick, but it's the only one I got...

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
                            Wow. Wish I could have put it half so well. Thank you for saying that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            You're welcome!

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sascha:
                              Dear Mystic,
                              Thank you for reading my mind and expressing my thoughts much more clearly and concisely than I ever could have done all by myself.
                              Yours indebtedly,
                              sascha<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              You're very welcome!

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                              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by silver:
                                Oh, I agree that the girl needs a good talking to and to apologize to flsh (the parents should apologize too IMHO and, oh yeah, they should get a clue too). BUT the fact remains that this was a kid that did something stupid and who probably didn't mean to cause any real harm. Everyone makes mistakes and I hardly think she should be condemmed so fast as an out of control menace.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                Well, this little menace obviously didn't learn from her experience with flsh, and sent lilindian's friend a totally bogus horse-buying e-mail as well. Will we excuse her for that, too? If so, I guess we can keep on excusing her until she actually goes and steals someone's horse and ends up in real trouble, huh? Yep, that'll for sure help her realize that actions have consequences.
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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sophab:
                                  I personally think this needs to be handled before it gets out of control.
                                  I have a breeder friend who came home from vacation once, and found a broken down old pony in the stall where her rather large, beautiful TB stallion was supposed to be standing. I know it seems kinda funny in retrospect, but can you even imagine it? My friend fortunately remembered a sketchy person who had come to look at her stallions not to long before, and sent the cops out to look for him. Low and behold, her stallion was in a stall at the mare owners barn. Said mare owner stated "well, my mare came into season, and I couldn't get ahold of (said stallion owner), so I just borrowed him for a few days". Who in their right mind would think that was an appropriate thing to do, not to mention that stallions are unpredictable, and he very well could have been seriously injured on his "vacation". Said horse theif got slapped with a grand larceny charge, as he was a very valuable stallion.

                                  Yep, I'd like to see mom talk her bratlet's way out of something like this. And that's exactly where bratlet is headed unless she gets her hindparts kicked but good, and soon.

                                  Obviously this girl has not learned her lesson since she is still sending out these e-mails. It needs to be addressed one way or the other.
                                  For the record, I am 26, and never in my youth, which was not that long ago, would I have ever considered such a thing as this girl did. I hope flsh gets her apology, and I pray that this girl is taught a lesson one way or the other.

                                  I agree. The only thing that remains is to find someone to teach her that lesson. In the best of all possible worlds, it would be her mother, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen. Looks like it will have to be the police.

                                  Regarding my sense of humor: It may be sick, but it's the only one I got...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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                                  A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by silver:

                                    A real threatening email is un-mistakable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Obviously not. Flshgordon got not one, but several, saying "I know where you are and I'm coming to get your horse". That's pretty fruitbatting threatening, hon. Pretty hard to dismiss that as "oh, it's just a kid". Bet you wouldn't if it happened to you.

                                    As to needing closure, I for one would like to know that this bratlet and or some of her friends that think harassing people is a fine way to spend time have been denied computer access and stringently disciplined in some way. Some way that could possibly teach them that messing with people will get you into trouble. If that's "closure", then yes, I'd like it.
                                    In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                    A life lived by example, done too soon.
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                                    • ESG, you seriously think that this kid will undoubtedly progress to stealing valuable breeding stallions if not incarcerated asap? I agree she appears to be a pita but no-one here knows what the mother has done. For all we know the kid might have been shipped off to military school for this.

                                      sheesh, OK, I'm done here.

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                                      • And I also take exception to the "small deal" line. Yes, there are far worse things- but is it a small deal for a 15-year-old to threaten to come do what is in essence stealing a horse? Or harrasing someone? Or send such threatning lines that give the message I know where you live? That is most certainly not acceptable from a 15-year-old! Fifteen-year-olds KNOW better. Harassment and a threat to steal are NO small matter. You can bet if someone did that to me, they would see a police car- weather to arrest, to warn, or to give a talking to. That is absolutely NOT acceptable from a child of her age. "Testing limits" is snapping at a parent or not cleaning a room the fifth time one's been told- not harrasing someone. Not threatning to show up at thier house and commit theft.

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                                        • I agree with ESG, et al.
                                          Here's my 2 cents...and I'll hope they're actually worth 2 cents since I have experience with this situation...my experience is...believe it or not folks...I'm a mother who was once a teen! Yes...I know...but it's true. I was a teen years ago. I did not leave the womb a mom. (thank goodness for me poor mum! )
                                          I have 3 daughters...two grown and one who, by the grace of God and her continued good behavior will become a grown up. Yes, she'll most likely perform pranks...heck, I'll probably even show her some of them. (As I did with my grown young ladies) Will they be of the sort the OP had to put up with? Not if MY child wants to make it to adult hood. Complacent parents breed and grow complacent values in their children.
                                          I also disagree that this is a teen performing harmless pranks. No, I don't think she'll grow up to become a psychotic horse thief prowling law abiding citizen's barns for victims. That's a tad far fetched. However... this does not excuse her for her actions. Had I received this series of e-mails...you can be damn sure I'd be sitting in my barn at night making sure nobody showed up to harass my livestock. My time, mental health and enjoyment of both would have been compromised. A kid learning to drive and accidentally bumping inot my parked car and leaving a dent and then taking off without telling anyone will most likely never become a serial auto-wrecker in life either. Doesn't make her non-liable for damages because she's "just a teen being a teen."
                                          Society is WAY too permissive in this day and age. Children are just that, children. I'm not going to live my life worrying about "crushing their spirit" or "inhibiting their right to self expression" or any other such hogwash. If they're not taken to task when they don't act as a responsible member of society, we shouldn't shrug it off. They need to learn that getting their kicks out of inconveniencing others is not acceptable. And learning a lesson so that it sticks does not mean "having a chat with Princess over espresso and a manicure." It means making life that much more miserable for the young lady so she remembers the incident as 'something to NEVER do again!"
                                          Kids are kids people...they'll mess up certain things...which is understandable. We're supposed to correct those mess ups in ways to ensure they know it's wrong and to ensure they do NOT do it again and so that later in life the little PITA isn't going to be the moron sueing me for something inane because she grew up believing the world owes her something, she can do whatever the heck she wants without any negative consequences, she doesn't ever have to deal with anything unpleasant...blah, blah, blah. The last time I checked...the earth revolved around the sun...parents did not revolve around their children.

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