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This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.
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The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.
3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
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Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.
Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.
Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.
Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.
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Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.
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Rant: My retired pony is emaciated. I'm livid.
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I would agree. It sounds like the boarding barn fell short in communication, but it doesn't sound like they were just not feeding him. To me, that indicates that his care is likely to be somewhat complicated. I could be wrong, but it sounds like he might be high maintenance. Not that turnout or pasture would be bad, but pasture board at your friend's may not work for him at this point unless your friend has the time. One and a half hours away is still quite a ways. I don't know what I would do - it sounds like you really care about him. I too might be inclined to leave him where he is if you trust the barn to provide the additional types of food and medication. I'd be inclined to look for a self care situation or a boarding barn that can speak with your vet and really know what they are getting into. I'm not saying this in an offensive manner in the least, but this might be more than your friend really wants to take on in a pasture situation.
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With cushings they need less stress than normal horses so sometimes it is better for them not to have a buddy if the buddy is going to cause them tension.
When they get to the stage that feed is not really working and you said his kidneys were okay then try a course of nitrotain.
It restarts their digestion and they start getting the goodness out of their feed again. My boy put on weight over winter with me decreasing what he was getting each week.
It is an anabolic steroid for horses. It is given 4 ml a day in a wormer for a week or something like that. It is the one used illegally by weightlifters. If the horse only gets 4 ml a day I would hate to know how much the weightlifters are taking!!!It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.
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My 28yo mare has Cushings and even with great care, she crashed pretty abruptly this summer. We've been treating her using first pergolide, then Prascend, for about 5 years and we had been able to stay on top of the Cushings until then. We started with .5 mg and had worked up to 1.5 mg when this photo was taken in June (sorry about the terrible quality): http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...s1c5c379c.jpeg
Her ACTH level was in the normal range at thirty-something at that point.
Then she developed the characteristic Cushings coat and began to lose weight and muscle rapidly over the course of about a month. I had her retested and her ACTH was 341. We increased her Prascend to 2 mg.
She did improve pretty quickly once we increased the Prascend. I didn't take any pics of her at her worst but I took a quick pic today (again, sorry about the quality). She actually looks better than the photo shows. She has shed out a lot of the Cushings coat; the lighter colored coat is the long Cushings hair and the darker hair is normal hair. She is rounder/more smooth-bodied than the patchy coat suggests. But she isn't quite back to normal and I'm still concerned about how much longer we'll be able to keep her healthy, given her rapid decline this summer, but I'm very happy that she did improve. http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n...sea9b7379.jpeg
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OP - just get the blood work done and make sure that they check for kidney function. Simply put the BM may not have seen the deterioriation if there are a number of horses to be monitored and the pony was eating all of the hay.
Posters knee-jerk reaction about the standard of care etc are way too early with the amount of information provided. I can understand the shock of the OP completely and I saw my mare (below) every day.
My beloved (and well looked after) 15 year old mare went from a good fit 3.5 to a 1.5 in the space of 3 weeks - with feed. She had been a little slow in a ride (very unusual for her) and I gave her a good look at home - she had dropped to a 3 at that stage. I decided to give her the winter off... or at least until I had built her back up ... and upped her feeds to 3x a day of broodmare mix, extra oats and sunflower seeds with red clover hay (my Hon didnt like the chaff mixed in - she far preferred to have her hay next to her feed). Made sure she was in her own pen so she could eat all of her food which was substantial - that was 2/3rds of a bale of red clover hay a day for herself ... which she didnt. After 2 week of this regime, and my mare still losing weight, I had the vet out to run bloods and checks. A week later, she was PTS at our vetinanery hospital with kidney cancer (confirmed by post mortem).
It CAN hit that fast!Still Working_on_it - one day I will get it!
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THIS^. Basically, to keep him going you're talking about highly knowledgeable and attentive care of an animal which is not only elderly, but also ill and requiring lifetime medication and a special diet. This is not something you can rely on well-meaning friends to do. Unless you can find a stable where they are familiar with the high-maintenance care and can provide the restricted grazing environment appropriate for this pony, the right thing to do would be to put him down. Absentee owner and uneducated caregiver have been a demonstrable fail.Originally posted by Casey09 View PostI would agree. It sounds like the boarding barn fell short in communication, but it doesn't sound like they were just not feeding him. To me, that indicates that his care is likely to be somewhat complicated. I could be wrong, but it sounds like he might be high maintenance. Not that turnout or pasture would be bad, but pasture board at your friend's may not work for him at this point unless your friend has the time. One and a half hours away is still quite a ways. I don't know what I would do - it sounds like you really care about him. I too might be inclined to leave him where he is if you trust the barn to provide the additional types of food and medication. I'd be inclined to look for a self care situation or a boarding barn that can speak with your vet and really know what they are getting into. I'm not saying this in an offensive manner in the least, but this might be more than your friend really wants to take on in a pasture situation.
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I just have to pipe in and say - I have heard nothing but WONDERFUL things about your program. I know someone from California who sent her horse your way.Originally posted by onthebit View PostI have to address the bolded part. Yes, there are barns out there that will take your money and not care for your horse, but there are lots of good barns out there too. But they aren't on COTH because no one feels the need to complain about them.
From what I know - your farm is a gold standard for retirement farms. If I need one someday, I hope you are still up and running and I can afford it.
NOW - out here at least, I have first hand knowledge of a couple retirement facilities. Let me tell you they are NOT like your place.
No - for the most part, the horses are tossed out in a field and receive very little care. I kept my horse at a few different retirement farms when she was a youngster (and did self care). I wondered if the horse's owners knew about the appalling condition some of the retirees were in. Really dreadful - but I didn't know the owners - so I really couldn't contact them to find out.
In fact, while I know of a few different retirement farms locally - I would never entrust my horse to them.
So while there ARE great programs like yours - there are a good number of crappy retirement facilities out there.APPSOLUTE CHOCKLATE - Photo by Kathy Colman
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Were they in the same price bracket as onthebit's farm?Originally posted by Appsolute View PostSo while there ARE great programs like yours - there are a good number of crappy retirement facilities out there.
I ask, because generally you get what you pay for.https://www.facebook.com/SugarMapleFarm
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