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  • #21
    Originally posted by Gainer View Post
    Honestly, moving to a more expensive barn is not a guarantee that care will be better. Some of the worst care I've had was at high-end barns and some of the best care I've had was at lower-priced barns. You really have to do your homework. Figure out what's most important to you and what you can live without. Really check out the barn...check how clean water buckets/stalls are, check out the feed room (well stocked?), check the quality of hay, and use your spidey-sense when talking to the BM. If at all possible, talk to the "hired help" as well, since the care of your horse usually falls on their shoulders. Find best place you, with the best care you can afford.
    THIS!!!!

    Price is a very misleading thing. I've done a very thorough review of barns in my area and have found really nice and really horrible places, all who charge about the same amount of money.

    I know a barn where you pay X and are never wanting for anything and where the horses receive great care and there is no drama. I've found oher barns where you pay the same price X, the owner is constantly complaining about how much it costs to do [insert whatever task] and then gets cheap on feed and other things.

    so yes, you really do need to look around.

    And don't necessarily trust what the BO says either. At one barn I used to board at, the BO talked about how important good quality hay and good footing is. I ended up boarding there one winter because I couldn't find anything else close to home with an indoor. Turns out when I had the hay tested, it was crap. absolutely crap. Two vets even commented on the low quality. The same barn didn't drag the arena regularly either. It would get dragged once per week unless you brought it up with the BO and then they would talk to the maintenance guy and maybe he would do it.

    Sometimes the BO's know what they are doing is crap, but they say it's not crap hoping that people won't notice, or test accordingly.


    With that said, I LOVE the care at the place I currently board.

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    • #22
      It sounds like you both over reacted. If I'd been you I would have called her and offered to go pick up some bags if she was to busy at the moment.

      That would have earned you her good graces and thanks. Instead you got kicked out. Were there other issues involved?

      Originally posted by Daisyesq View Post
      BTW, I think $400 is very cheap for full care board.
      Is the Northeast area that much more expensive than the PNW?

      I know multiple good barns here that doo 400/500 for full care board. Beautiful indoor arenas, turn out, good feed, etc... English eventing/dressage barns to western training barns.

      One low key barn is 300.00 a month with great care, 12 hours of turn out in large pastures, covered round pen, indoor arena, outdoor arena, trail course, etc...

      Now that we have 4 horses we can't afford those anymore and keep them at home but I am surprised to hear some costs. I'd thought over the 500 range included training or all the things like them grooming and saddling your horse for you.
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      • #23
        I cant belive people think its no big deal for someone to run out of grain, its not like there was an emergency or snow storm or something to cause a one time problem.

        Also, 400 for board locally would get you an indoor, outdoor, stall, and resident trainer.
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        • #24
          In some places on the east coast, the property taxes are so high that they would still lose money charging $300-400 for full care. Some can't break even at twice that.


          Originally posted by AmarachAcres View Post
          It sounds like you both over reacted. If I'd been you I would have called her and offered to go pick up some bags if she was to busy at the moment.

          That would have earned you her good graces and thanks. Instead you got kicked out. Were there other issues involved?





          Is the Northeast area that much more expensive than the PNW?

          I know multiple good barns here that doo 400/500 for full care board. Beautiful indoor arenas, turn out, good feed, etc... English eventing/dressage barns to western training barns.

          One low key barn is 300.00 a month with great care, 12 hours of turn out in large pastures, covered round pen, indoor arena, outdoor arena, trail course, etc...

          Now that we have 4 horses we can't afford those anymore and keep them at home but I am surprised to hear some costs. I'd thought over the 500 range included training or all the things like them grooming and saddling your horse for you.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post

            Also, 400 for board locally would get you an indoor, outdoor, stall, and resident trainer.
            I get a full board (DIY stall cleaning), a crappy indoor (full of stuff) and good turnout for $150 in Indiana. In Virginia, not even NoVA, $600 got me field board. OP is in SE PA - read general Philadelphia area. She's gonna have to pay $$ to have a horse.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by AmarachAcres View Post
              Is the Northeast area that much more expensive than the PNW?

              I'd thought over the 500 range included training or all the things like them grooming and saddling your horse for you.
              Yes, the Northeast is that much more expensive! Board for a place w/an indoor near me (100 miles north of NYC) is in the $1,000 - $2,000/month range, generally. If you SEARCH you might find one or two barns under $1,000.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
                Yep! And I tell those kind they're going to be happier elsewhere, giving somebody else cramps. Never known a horse yet to die from missing part or all of one grain feeding. I purposely ran my Senior bin down to nothing this morning, so I can refill it this afternoon with all fresh feed and no old stuff left in the bottom. This is a GOOD thing. Don't always be so quick to ascribe evil motivations to what BO's do--sometimes there is a damn good management reason!
                You don't have to be out of grain to clean out what's left in the bin. I always scoop out or pour the dregs of the feed bin into a bucket before dumping the new feed bags in. You can have a pile of new bags waiting to go when you do that, so nothing is missed.
                Even if you use a big hopper the new feed goes on top and the old stuff is getting used first at the bottom.
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                • #28
                  It's not "no big deal" to run out of grain. It is just not that big of deal to freak out over, especially when it is only one meal. A simple communication to BO, "hey, BO, do you know you ran out of the grain? So I gave everybody a handful - do you want me to pick up some for you?" is sufficient without putting BO instantly in a defensive mode. Seriously, over a missing meal as if it were the end of the world? I am guessing from OP's tone that she had been showing displeasure with this barn so it was just the last straw to push the BO over and asked her to pack up and leave.

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                  • #29
                    My point is that things like this can easily be misinterpreted by a boarder.

                    Frankly, I don't let my boarders go feeding the horses to begin with; I prefer to control what they get, at what time, so I can make sure everyone gets only what they're supposed to as well as check them all at the same time. A place where boarders just drop in and start feeding I'd call "Whodiditandran?" So maybe the OP WOULD be better off looking for a place that's properly run in that regard.

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                    • #30
                      Wow. I'm amazed at the replies (although I probably shouldn't be). IMO, if I'm paying for service I better darn.well.get.that.service. I don't care if it's a $400 service or a $1000 service!

                      Sorry, BO/BM, you are running a business and providing a service and you need to do it right. Running out of feed constitutes a breach of contract and POOR CARE. And, certainly speaks to lack of planning.
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                      • #31
                        Is it a huge deal if a horse misses a meal - nah - probably not. Is it a huge deal that the BO is planning poorly - maybe not, but it's sure a bigger deal and a bigger issue than a horse that doesn't want to come in for breakfast.

                        IMO, running out of feed is pretty poor planning. Even when I was planning on cleaning out the grain bin, I would have fresh grain ready to dump into a brandy clean bin. What part of "there is only enough grain left for the next week" is hard to fathom when you have been running a barn for a while? And in SE PA, there are plenty of options if one feed store is low on grain.

                        Especially as we start moving into the winter months, I think it's important to plan ahead.

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                        • #32
                          Here's how I look at the OP's situation:

                          If someone ran out of grain once, I agree it's not ideal, but sometimes things happen. Perhaps an order was placed, but didn't arrive or BO had a crisis that got in the way of getting to the feed store, etc. Stockpiling a ton of feed isn't necessarily ideal either since these things don't stay fresh forever.

                          If that is the only thing that's ever happened that upset the OP, then I'd say shelve the issue. Now if there are a lot of other things going on that are a problem, then the grain just might be one more indication of serious problems.

                          so I think it really depends on what else is going on.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
                            My point is that things like this can easily be misinterpreted by a boarder.

                            Frankly, I don't let my boarders go feeding the horses to begin with; I prefer to control what they get, at what time, so I can make sure everyone gets only what they're supposed to as well as check them all at the same time. A place where boarders just drop in and start feeding I'd call "Whodiditandran?" So maybe the OP WOULD be better off looking for a place that's properly run in that regard.
                            You're assuming that A] there is no feed chart [there always should be one, you never know when an emergency will keep the usual feeder from being there] which can go a long way towards 'control what they get, at what time, so I can make sure everyone gets only what they're supposed to'
                            B] BO/BM didn't tell/ask OP to feed.
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by IndysMom View Post
                              Wow. I'm amazed at the replies (although I probably shouldn't be). IMO, if I'm paying for service I better darn.well.get.that.service. I don't care if it's a $400 service or a $1000 service!

                              Sorry, BO/BM, you are running a business and providing a service and you need to do it right. Running out of feed constitutes a breach of contract and POOR CARE. And, certainly speaks to lack of planning.
                              someone once told me so many barns are operating on such tight margins, are paying way too much in property taxes that everyone is grumpy and is upset at everyone else.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                                someone once told me so many barns are operating on such tight margins, are paying way too much in property taxes that everyone is grumpy and is upset at everyone else.
                                This is what a business plan is for, to determine the viability of a business and the necessary charges for services to cover costs.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                                  Here's how I look at the OP's situation:

                                  If someone ran out of grain once, I agree it's not ideal, but sometimes things happen. Perhaps an order was placed, but didn't arrive or BO had a crisis that got in the way of getting to the feed store, etc. Stockpiling a ton of feed isn't necessarily ideal either since these things don't stay fresh forever.

                                  If that is the only thing that's ever happened that upset the OP, then I'd say shelve the issue. Now if there are a lot of other things going on that are a problem, then the grain just might be one more indication of serious problems.

                                  so I think it really depends on what else is going on.
                                  I have to agree.

                                  The OP only told us about a grain issue here in a long post about care and everything else so it makes me think it is just a grain issue. Though in her other threads about this current barn (that she moved to some what recently) she talks about not having a ring to ride in and her horse not doing well on trails, so this might be the proverbial straw that broke the camels back thing.

                                  It sounds like this grain thing did cause quite the blow up though, since the barn owner asked the OP to leave.

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                                  • #37
                                    If I was feeding (which I do on the weekends) and BO ran out of grain - you bet I would feed my horses and leave the rest. There is no excuse to run out of grain. You feed every day you know how much you got. If my horses are to get grain then they get grain.all.the.time - no excuses.

                                    I buy my own grain because I have boarded other places that just skip feeding horses grain when they run out. It only happened once at one place but once was enough for me. One place even had the balls to use my grain when they ran out because it was the same. Put a stop to that, locked up my grain.

                                    I pay for a service and I expect to get it. Otherwise you may not be paid your board if I forgot to deposit my check when it is needed. Works both ways.

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                                    • #38
                                      I'm really surprised at people's reactions to this.

                                      Will missing one grain meal hurt a horse? Most likely, no. There's a difference between a horse that's happily grazing not coming in to eat and one that is waiting for its meal that it does not get.

                                      But why does it mean that it SHOULD happen?

                                      And from what it sounds like its definitely not a one time thing.

                                      If it happened once, I would be understanding. But I would want an explanation as to why it happened. If it happened again, I would be out.

                                      I've done modified self care, boarded at small facilities, boarded at large barns. At all I want basic things no matter the price: safe facilities, food, water.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                        Having run out of feed at my small, only my three horses barn I totally can see how running out happens and is not really the fault of anyone one person.

                                        Example - I have gone to the feed store in a timely manner to buy more of whatever it is that I need and they are out of that item. I am told it will come in on the next truck, a few days later.
                                        I call that few days and it did not come in. It does come in the day after but then my car is broken and I can not get to the feed store...

                                        You get the picture. It happens.

                                        I think McGurk gave some great advice up there. Since you are shopping in a different price range than you want to be shopping in you have to make a list and make sure you give up the things that in the long run are the important things.
                                        Sounds like my feed source. And it seems to have gotten worse lately.

                                        I try to keep a spare bin so I can order before things get too low. But it's annoying to traipse into the store, and then find you need to return. Sadly, they are the only source around for some feeds.

                                        There have been days though that I have wondered if some of them really needed to eat grain as they are shoveling in grass, and can't be bothered to come in on their own.
                                        Taking it day by day!

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                                        • #40
                                          I would be angry if someone used all the available grain for their horse, that's like taking the last bit of bedding. I sometimes have to run to the mill in the mornings before feeding. I have employees who feed. They sometimes forget to tell me I'm going to run out. But nobody misses a meal.
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