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  • #41
    I have to agree with the majority. You'll be happier in a new barn in the long run. Unfortunately, these situations happen more often than you realize. I know of a girl who was letting her horse be used part time, supposedly for lessons for young children. This was to offset her board. She also worked part of it off and also paid on it too.
    Come summer, she couldn't even ride her own horse because they used her so hard in the lesson program, she was too tired to be ridden. Total BS. (which that barn is renowned for)
    Anyway, there is a possibility that your horse is being used on a regular basis, maybe even with the full knowledge of the barn owner/manager. Just the fact that they aren't right on addressing a paying boarder's concerns make me wonder how much more is just sliding on by as well.
    Best of luck to you. You'll be happier once you are gone from there.

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    • #42
      I think I'd be too pissed to move. Or at least I'd want to scare the bejeezus out of the guilty party (asst. trainer?) first.

      Call the police department and inquire about what crime(s) are being committed, and make it known that you've taken this step. Get an attorney to write a general letter; post it in the barn. Get an attorney to write a letter to the BO and one for the employees (incl. the asst. trainer) delineating their responsibility to not let this go on. At the very least, all this will lead the other boarders to start asking the BO/trainers questions about what's going on.

      Meanwhile, start looking for another barn.

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      • #43
        I have had this happen twice.

        Once was right after I broke my leg. Mr Showjumps drove me over to love on my guys. We drove past the ring to find one of the BOs cantering over jump on Mardi. I was so angry! Hubby had to lock me in the car to keep me from going after them. Not only was he riding without my permission but he is a HORRIBLE jumper rider (beyond horrible ~ tons of yank, crank & spank). I moved my guys the next day ~ 30 days notice my @$$!

        The second time was much more subtle (a few years later) and I had no real proof. Like you, I found odd tack marks on Mardi and there was some really weird wear patterns on his back. I'd never have seen that before... I was a little freaked out but not as upset as before. Mardi was ok, I was the only one there who jumped and the other riders were pretty good. Though why someone would do it boggles my mind. To make sure though I spoke to the BO. She was skeptical and suggested I just wasn't grooming him properly. I laughed at her. My guys are groomed to death and look as if they're going to a show even for a trail ride. It's bad enough to be the joke of the barn... I never found the marks again and the wear patterns went away with some tender care.

        It still freaks me out that someone would just get on and ride my horse. Who does that?!?!? Luckily it's only happened with Mardi (he pretty much a perfect horse). The other horses have always been a little psycho... Funny, no one EVER wants to ride them!
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        • #44
          If you haven't already moved, I would take a camera (that has a date/time stamp) with me every time I went out. Keep a journal/diary of events and witnesses....it may help if you did get into a legal battle.

          I'd be LIVID and outta there ASAP!
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          • #45
            This type of situation makes me livid! If I were the OP I would be moving my horse ASAP. That is YOUR horse, not the BO and not the riders that use him as their own.

            I had this happen to me twice but I had given my permission initially because first incident, a girl was going to show my horse and second incident, a fellow boarder's horse had become injured and needed time off. And both times the BO/trainer/riders overstepped their bounds and began riding my horse even on days that I would go out to the barn to take my lessons or I'd want to take a trail ride. I also started to suspect both horses were being used for lessons with other riders without my permission, too. I did have the "pleasure" of showing up for a lesson one day only to find my horse out in the ring with the other rider and obviously my mare wasn't doing something right because as I was approaching the ring she dismounted and the trainer beat the snot out of MY horse! I left a couple days after that (would have been sooner if I could have found someone to haul my mare out that night!)

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            • #46
              In the OP's defence...I think I would try everything possible to work this out before I picked up and moved. Around my college at least there are VERY few places to keep a horse! And not a lot of places that advertise, so its more who you know and who will let you in. (and being a some-what new residant to the area I don't know many people!) Its been a year since I got my OTTB and he's been at 6 farms! Its stressful on me as well as him. Only 1 move was b/c of saftey issues, but still...its just hard.

              So in that sense I can see where she's coming from, BUUUUUUUT I agree with what you all are saying, if something doesn't change fast...get outta there!
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              • #47
                Originally posted by Lady Counselor:
                I have to agree with the majority. You'll be happier in a new barn in the long run. Unfortunately, these situations happen more often than you realize. I know of a girl who was letting her horse be used part time, supposedly for lessons for young children. This was to offset her board. She also worked part of it off and also paid on it too.
                Come summer, she couldn't even ride her own horse because they used her so hard in the lesson program, she was too tired to be ridden. Total BS. (which that barn is renowned for)
                Anyway, there is a possibility that your horse is being used on a regular basis, maybe even with the full knowledge of the barn owner/manager. Just the fact that they aren't right on addressing a paying boarder's concerns make me wonder how much more is just sliding on by as well.
                Best of luck to you. You'll be happier once you are gone from there.
                Something similar happened to me also. Years back I had a nice very quiet Appy. The barn had 3 instructors. ONE of the instructors asked me if she could use him "two hours during the week". Two one hour lessons. I said fine, plus it took a few dollars off the board.

                Well, imagine my surprise when I happended to be driving by the barn on Saturday to find my horse being used, 1st by a different instructor, second on a Saturday.

                I nicely explained again, that he was to be used only two hours during the week.

                It happened again!!! Finally I said #crew it, wasn't worth the money and totally withdrew him from the lesson program.

                Also made me wonder how much they used him and didn't tell me and never deducted it from my board. Sometimes being nice doesn't pay off.
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                • #48
                  I would move immediately. The OP said she wanted to be somewhere where she could leave her horse for a couple of weeks. Obviously she can't even leave him alone there for a day.
                  When I boarded I always said if I ever felt worried about my horse I would move. And I always did.
                  Who do these people think they are that they can just go ride any horse they feel like then lie about it? And especially if this place is so expensive and nice, they should know better. To me, this in inexcusable.
                  I would start beating the bushes and checking the boards at the feed and tack stores and riding clubs, and also any websites that may cover your area and find a new place to board in a hurry. Even if it's just an extra stall at someone's house. If the barn management can't see a horse being ridden, can they see it colicking? What else are they missing, like injuries etc?
                  THis just goes to show that the most expensive isn't always the best.
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                  • #49
                    I just finished reading this whole thread and I find it unbelievable that anyone would have the gall to do such a thing. I would pity the person who did it with one of my horses because I would be all over them.

                    If you have enough nice places around you, I would also move promptly. I would also be quite vocal if anyone asked why I was leaving.

                    I have worked at several barns in my life and am just flabbergasted on this one.Someone is obviously not doing there job as barn manager at this establishment

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                    • #50
                      Got to thinking about it - though you've realized this recently, the barn worker's attitude makes me wonder how long it's been going on. And what else you don't know about. If you can't find another place near school quickly, maybe a place near "home"?

                      To reiterate other posters, $$$ paid doesn't guarantee great care. I know there's not that much left of the school year, but I think moving is your best option. However, if you absolutely, positively can't move, find someone to go visit your horse every day you can't. And make sure the BO/BM knows you've authorized that relationship. Best of luck to you and your horse.

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                      • #51
                        I am with the majority. Anyone who has a CLUE about horses can tell them apart - by color, size, weight, sex, breed,personality. You know therefore, this was done deliberately. You already spoke with the BO, so she has to be aware (because a good bO would have gotten to the bottom of it).

                        I would make a first priority finding another place for your horse, and then show up with the trailer and leave. No notice - they have violated YOUR contract.

                        Sorry. But as has been said, $$$ do not a great barn make. You may actually find a far better place for less money where you won't be stressing out what is going on.

                        Imagine what would happen - if, in riding him, someone was injured (would you have to prove you didn't give permission?) or the horse was injured (would they tell youit happened in the pasture?). The very fact that they are using ill fitting tack is a problem in itself, and who knows what they could be doingt o him when "riding."

                        I have worried about this myself at past barns - the only thing that saved me this particular worry was that, since my boy had been so badly abused, no one but mom was going to be able to get on, unless that person had been riding first under mom's supervision.
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                        • #52
                          I'm with all the others who said you should pick up and leave IMMEDIATELY.

                          There are too many risks leaving your horse where it is now.
                          There is a liability risk. If whoever rides the horse behind your back were to fall and get hurt, you would be liable, permission to ride the horse or not.
                          There is the risk of your horse being injured during one of these rides.
                          There is the risk of your horse not being properly taken care of now that it is a known fact you are aware of someone riding him behind your back.
                          The barn might be nice to look at but if the horse is been used at someone's whim it is most certainly not the best barn around.
                          Good luck to you.

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                          • #53
                            No one rides my horses without my permission. Period. I'd be outta there in a heartbeat.

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                              • #55
                                Most expensive is NOT synonymous with the best care. I KNOW!!!!!!!!

                                I also know being a BO that being on top of things 24/7 is very difficult. I also know that I get very annoyed when people give OP permission to ride without telling me.

                                That said-I'd be outta there. It's obvious that someone doesn't care what you want or think. There has to be someplace in the area with more responsible help.
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                                • #56
                                  Buckle his blanket on a wrong hole. Not the one usually buckled on. Also try to remember the order in which way his belly straps are fastened. Back first or front first, ect. Hopefully if someone does get him and take off his blanket, they won't fasten him up the same way you did. Good Luck!
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                                  • #57
                                    Wow, I've been keeping up with this thread since I originally posted, and I can't believe how many people said something similar had happened to them!

                                    To the OP: you've had evidence of it happening twice, correct? The first time possibly being an accident (again, no excuse... and how do you know for sure it was an accident?). It's possible it's happened more times, and there just weren't signs that it had happened.

                                    Definitely start looking into other barns in the area. I'm sure this isn't the only nice place you could keep your horse. Money isn't everything, and I really don't feel like it is in this situation. Many people care for their $1000 horses in the same way that people care for their $100,000 horses, and the same goes for barn. There are many loving barn owners that don't run a ritzy place. And maybe finding a smaller barn will make you feel more secure, I don't know.

                                    Not to be mean, but I think it's time to stop making excuses for people. What excuse will you have if you get a phone call that your horse was hurt while someone else was riding him? Or are informed that the rider wants to sue you?

                                    I agree with the suggestion of keeping a camera with you at all times. If it happens again, take a picture with the date stamped on it. Start keeping things from a legal standpoint (like sending the registered letters for proof). Maybe you should call the police, talk about it, and ask if they could at least put it on file that you've talked to them about it. I don't know much about the law, but I'd say that anything you can do to cover yourself would be best.

                                    I think the note on your horse's stall would also be a good idea. Maybe it won't prevent him from being ridden again (especially if he's being taken out from his field), but nobody can erase it, it serves as a good warning, and it will get everybody's attention. And it's a good idea to cover yourself by keeping the breakaway halter on him with his name or whatever else. But again, do you want to be doing this for the next however many years? Will you feel comfortable paying each month's board bill while wondering if someone else should be helping you foot the bill for use of your horse?
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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by TB or not TB?:Otherwise, if you have a vengeful streak, see if you can find some grey dye that would rub off on the person's girth, saddle hands, bridle, etc. Childish, perhaps, but wouldn't that make you feel good?
                                      Very small compared to riding a horse, but at an old barn we had a huge issue with fly spray theft, to the point where one boarder had an entire bottle gone in less than a week. Her next bottle, she added oodles of yellow food coloring There were lots of horses with funny yellow speckles.
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                                      • #59
                                        I think the OP said her horse is on pasture board so he doesn't have a stall to put a sign on.

                                        You know what would make me really mad about this situation (aside form the obvious with the horse)? That the trainer/BM is treating this in such a nochallant manner. I would *think* if this happened to one of the older boarders, maybe one of those ladies who is more high maintenece, it would be more of a serious issue?
                                        It seems like they are not taking you seriously because you are young. IMHO money is money. You pay a lot of money to keep your horse there. That means they need to take you seriously.
                                        I would go straight to the BO since the BM has not done it. No more notes. Everything should be face to face.

                                        I would probably end up moving my horse anyway though. Just because now I would feel uncomfortable being there.
                                        Good luck with this. You certainly have a right to be mad! I would be!!
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                                        • #60
                                          I'm in the "leave. now." camp.

                                          At least one of the managment/staff know what's going on, and you're being lied to, or they're too clueless to trust with your horse's care.

                                          Either way, it's a bad situation.
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