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  • #21
    Originally posted by dauntless:
    You don't need to list reasons for not wanting people to ride your horse w/o your permission. He's YOUR horse. YOU call the shots. The whole situation is ridiculus BS. Unless the BO/BM bend over backwards and into a pretzel apologising for the entire issue and outline a plan for preventing it from happening again, I would move ASAP.
    EXACTLY!!!! He is your horse, and you decide what can and can't be done with him!!! You don't have to explain to ANYONE why you don't want your horse ridden by other people. And really, it's kind of obvious that no horse owner would want random people riding her horse if she hasn't agreed to that.

    I'll tell ya, I was at a barn where they had a lot of different riders in and out every day, working with different trainers, trying out horses for sale, etc. One day I showed up to ride and it was obvious my saddle had been used -- the stirrup leathers were left hanging down, and then folded across the saddle. Not a way that I ever put my saddle away. I talked to the barn owner about it, not because I thought he was guilty, but because I thought he should know. I understood that perhaps someone had been told to "take the saddle on the right", and had no idea they were taking the wrong saddle. But I wanted the barn owner to know, so that if other people told him the same thing happened to him, he'd realize there was a problem.

    Well, when I told him that somebody else was using my tack (I also discovered my bridle adjusted differently), his response was none too helpful. He actually look at me in an amused way, as if he thought I was making something up or he thought I was getting annoyed over something stupid. Boy, did that piss me off. I didn't last there much longer after that.

    If somebody had ridden my horse without my permission, AND it had happened more than once, yes, I'd move my horse. It sounds like you are assuming that because you are at the nicest/most expensive barn, that's where you and your horse will be happiest. You might actually be able to find someplace less expensive and simpler, where you and your horse will be very happy. It sounds like nobody at your barn is really going to take responsibility for what happened, and if they are that uncaring, do you really want to be there?

    Think about it -- rude employee, and the horse is being ridden without your permission, which means either somebody in a position of responsiblity at the barn knows about it and is allowing it to happen, or somebody in a position of responsiblity has no idea that a horse is being ridden by someone who shouldn't ride him! Hello -- can you say major liability risk for the barn???

    Try to explore your other options for boarding, much as you want to stay there....

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Aggie4Bar:
      If it were my horse, I'd be very angry, too. And I completely agree with Misty; it's not an accident.

      Talk to the BO and try to work this out. In the meantime if you're not planning to show soon, go buy some cheap hair dye at WalMart and dye his tail some awful shade of red. It will eventually wash out, but until it does, the whole world is going to know exactly which horse is yours. If you're worried about permanent staining, just dye the bottom 10-12 inches.
      Ooh, I like the tail dyeing idea!
      Future Re-Rider
      "Take care of your memories, for you cannot relive them." [Bob Dylan]

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      • #23
        I have to agree with much of what everyone else has said. I can also see how difficult it is to find a place where the horse is "safe" if the owner can't be present for (sometimes) extended periods of time. I was in that situation when I was in college as well.

        Weighing all aspects of it I would opt not to discuss the matter with the BO over the phone, but instead, face to face. I would, as also mentioned, specifically ask what he/she is going to do to curb the situation. If he/she cannot answer you straight-forwardly I would thank him/her and leave and immediately begin looking for a different place. Why? Because if he/she isn't able to address a problem as minor (and I'll come back to why I use that word) as someone riding your horse what is he/she going to do if there is a major health issue with your horse while you are away visiting family?

        In the meantime, if someone continues to ride your horse and you are searching for the best place to keep the horse, keep this in mind:

        While someone riding your horse is something that would send me into irate fits, the liklihood of someone doing permanent injury to the horse is minimal and it is MORE likely that whatever untraining happens can be undone. It is a headache and something you shouldn't have to do. Nor should you tolerate it. But, it is something that is a far cry better than someone neglecting to provide feed, water, and over-seeing other medical needs.

        So definately see what the BO has to say. Tell the BO that you'll be following up with him/her on the matter in a week's time and you expect to have a resolution that will ensure this won't happen in the future. And if nothing comes out of either the first or second conversation this time around high tail it out of there.

        As for the employee... shrug it off. Remember the old saying as "sticks and stones" and if the employee is tied into the issue of the horse being ridden, and the BO does get to the bottom of it, the employee will be appropriately taken to task for a much more serious issue.

        And frankly... while you mention you have made friends there... if all else fails, perhaps some of the friends would be willing to relocate barns with you as well when they find out nothing was done about the matter -- hint, hint.
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        • #24
          Move him ASAP, no question, and I think the rude employee knows more that she's letting on! This is deliberate use of your horse.

          best wishes!

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          • #25
            If you have made efforts to remedy this situation and you still feel as though your concerns have not been properly addressed by the barn management. Interpret that as a sign that this barn does not meet with the level of professionalism that you require.

            You can't change the spots on a leopard ........... You can try, though you'll usually find that in the end your time would have been more productive spent elsewhere.

            I would much rather be at a barn with a BM with which I have a good rapport.

            I have heard different versions of this story over the years and it usually involves a trainer needing a horse to give a lesson.

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            • #26
              -I keep him at the nicest/most expensive barn in the area. Why? Because I want him someplace where I can feel comfortable leaving him for a few weeks - I want to know that he's well taken care of and that nothing fishy is going on. I'm a college student and can barely pay my own rent because I keep my horse there - I'm not paying that so that he can be ridden behind my back.
              Please. One or more people are using your horse as though they owned him, not you. And they don't care about your horse's need for special care in the bridle, or think about what will happen if he gets wound up during their ride, or give flip about you forking over the medicals when they are hurt. So much for making good life long friends at that barn.

              As for the management that a big portion of your expensive board goes toward paying? You have a BM that has no clue of what goes on in her absence, an BO who should have called you back by now but hasn't, and an assistant trainer of some sort who gets caught trying to finish some other scum's partial erasure of your message, calls it "stupid" and when confronted, doesn't respond in even a remotely appropriate manner.

              You make too many excuses for truly inexcusable behavior at that barn, when your horse's well being is in the balance. Your horse is completely dependent on you making the right choices for him. This is about your horse. Not you, or your potential barn friends, or what that scum sucking assistant trainer thinks of you, or if you are making sure to be completely "fair" in the face of rotten behavior. You are your horse's only advocate. And btw, it takes more than pretty stables/grounds and an expensive board fee to make a place "nice". You are paying high dollars for low rent behavior.

              What could they say to you, any of them, at this point that would restore your faith in their ability to properly look after and care for your horse, esp. during your longer absences?

              I would have my horse at another barn in a new york minute. I wouldn't be thinking about all I might be giving up in a move, and making another excuse that well, it's not like my horse is any worse for the wear.... Not a matter of if but of when he will be if left there, imho.

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              • #27
                I would be sooo mad.

                But, I know moving would be hard for me, so I would just write that white board message in permanent pen, testing a small area with the permanent pen remover stuff to make sure you can get it off!
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                • #28
                  If I found that somebody had ridden my horse without permission I would flip! Heads would roll.

                  I don't really have any useful advice. I like the ideas of writing on the horse or dyeing his tail. Or if you want something classier and less extreme the nameplate on the halter.

                  Good luck.

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                  • #29
                    I didn't read through all the other posts but did read your (OP's) post carefully.

                    You are not going to like my answer, either, but get your horse out of there ASAP. It is wholly unacceptable for anyone other than you to be riding your horse without your permission, for all the reasons you identified in your post. Your horse is not getting excellent care. He is getting pretty cr@p care if the BO/BM can't be bothered to make sure that there are no "mix-ups" of horses. If in fact the reason for the mystery riding is a case of mistaken identity, what is to say that they also have not fed him the wrong food, or given him another horse's meds, etc etc. And they aren't paying very good attention if they can't distinguish between two horses just because they are the same color.

                    I think your only alternative to moving him is to start turning him out in a safety halter (the kind with the leather breakaway strap) with a little tag on it with your horse's name, your name, and a notation that "NO ONE ELSE IS TO RIDE THIS HORSE [or "BRONCO," as you prefer ; )]. Of course that might only help if in fact you are looking at unauthorized riding due to a mistake. It won't help at all if someone is intentionally riding him on the sly.

                    BTW, years ago one of my horses sustained a career-ending tendon injury while being ridden by someone without my permission. He was rising 4 and had been Best Young Horse twice at Devon - a wonderful, wonderful horse. After 15K in vet bills and no hope of getting him sound enough to be anything other than a walk-trot horse, we donated him to a school for disabled children that had a nice riding program. Needless to say I will not tolerate unauthorized riding of any of my horses.
                    Roseknoll Sporthorses
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                    • #30
                      I might add that the OP is not the only one with liability exposure. The BO and BM also are courting a suit for negligence, and should someone get injured riding your horse he/she could sue the OP and possibly the BM and BO, and the OP could sue the BO and BM and countersue the rider. And as another poster mentioned, the rider has exposure to potential criminal liability for conversion (theft). So BO and BM would be well-advised to cease acting so nonchalant about what is a very serious matter.
                      Roseknoll Sporthorses
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                      • #31
                        Gosh.. I would be absolutely LIVID. Heads wouldn't just roll.. they'd go flying.

                        I'd probably start a rumour about my horse being a rearer or bucker and hope the person riding him heard it

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                        • #32
                          Same happened to me and my horses.. They were on a pasture about 300 meters from the next village when young girls tried to ride them. I recognized that my mare was wet and injured one day. I drove to friends who have a barn in the nearby and there I was told that girls rode my horses (they were asked if I had allowed it and they said yes). But I would never allow young girls to ride my horses because they aren't easy to ride - I'm still wondering that nothing happened. I called the police (and vet) and they talked with the parents of the girls. It never happened again.

                          Same thing happened to a friend month later. She wanted to feed her horses and they were vanished. We searched over about 2 hours for them and then we called the police. Just minutes later some girls came back with the horses and put them on the pasture. No injuries of the horses and the kids, but 11 month later one of the mares got a little colt - the girls also took the stallion (from my friend) from another pasture and put him to the mares before they started their ride.

                          Imagine what could happen to the girls and the horses on a trail ride! I have a lot of bad scences in my mind - horses running into cars, dead girls in the forest ....

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                          • #33
                            I'm a BO and never would allow anyone to ride a boarder's horse without the boarder's permission. I've turned away people if I wasn't aware of the arrangement.

                            If you stay at your current barn, it is likely that you will continue to have issues over others using your horse. It's not going away is it? You'll be stressed out and unhappy. Is that the way you want to live your life?

                            I would certainly look at other barns. There is no reason to think that there is only ONE barn that meets your needs. I suspect there are others which are suitable. I don't think you can make an informed decision until you spend some time looking at your options.
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                            • #34
                              If it were me, I'd put it in a letter to both the BO and BM making them aware in writing of the situation as you describe it. Depict what has taken place to date, your corrective actions, and your concerns about legal liability. (You can probably leave out your concern about training issues since they are subjective). Ask for an appointment by a stated date to meet with the two of them to review your concerns and their intended remedy. Send it registered and return receipt requested to let them know you're serious. It may backfire and intimidate them so much they want you to move, but you need to move anyhow if this isn't resolved.

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                              • #35
                                I'm in the "move your horse" boat. We do this for FUN. You should not have to worry about your horse while you're away on trips or sitting in class.

                                First, do you truly trust the BO/BM/trainers at this stable? Even if you go through all the legal contracts or what not, do you really trust what goes on when you're not there?

                                And I don't buy the "we can't tell grays apart" excuse. Can they tell all the chestnuts or bays from each other?


                                Good luck.
                                --CS
                                Ride on!

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                                • #36
                                  OP, I read your post, and a few of the replies. What about putting some kindof a laminate card or sign on the front of his stall. Put on on it something to the effect that only the "owner or others by permission may ride horse." I know how badly it stinks to move barns, especially if you like it otherwise. I would put that sign up on his door and give it one more chance.
                                  Nobody puts baby in a corner

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                                  • #37
                                    Now, one of you legal experts will have to set me straight on this... If someone rides my horse, without my permission or knowledge, and they fall off and break an arm, I'm expected to fork out the cash to cover it?

                                    Heaven forbid anyone be responsible for their own actions... No way in hell I'd be paying for someone else's stupidity. (Mine gets me in trouble often enough as is! )

                                    Makes me extra glad I don't own a push-button pony.. If you handle him roughly, he'll go for a two-minute mile whether you're still attached or not!


                                    To the OP: I hate to say it, but I have to vouch for looking for a new barn. It's possible you could get things worked out with the BO and everyone else, but if it were me, I'd still always have that little nagging in the back of my head, wondering if everything was okay. I know how hard it is to move from the "perfect" barn, but if you feel your horse's safety (or your peace of mind!) is at all compromised, it's not the best place for him -- or YOU.
                                    Member of the Standardbreds with Saddles Clique!
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                                    • #38
                                      If the barn can't prevent this from happening, move.
                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein

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                                      • #39
                                        Most expensive does not equate best care. I was a BO and I charged very little. But no one had better mess with a boarder horse or come on my property without permission. We might be scrapping if someone tried to mess with one.

                                        I am definately with everyone else, move. You are not getting the care you are paying for. The employee had no right to talk to you that way. The other employee standing there should have nipped it immediately. The BO should have shown great concern immediately for the legality issues if not anything else.

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                                        • #40
                                          I would be LIVID if someone was riding my pony without my permission!!!

                                          If these people have half a brain, I cannot see them mistaking your horse for another. No way.
                                          IMO it was done deliberately.(sp)

                                          Cripes we must have had about 12 Chestnuts at a barn I once boarded at and I still knew them all my name.

                                          I would get a break away halter, with him name engraved on it and see what happens. If it happens again, I'd be gone in a flash.

                                          You may want to secretly start looking now, so if it happens again, you can immediately give your notice.

                                          The nerve of some people.
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