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Fixing the barn sour/herd bound horse……..

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  • Fixing the barn sour/herd bound horse……..

    Got a new horse, beginning of July. (I'm super excited about her even though she's a TRAINWRECK and so I've posted about her multiple times already… )

    Anyway, I was hoping she'd be an event horse, but she's got an issue that never even crossed my mind until someone mentioned it on my thread on the Eventer board.

    Since I've never had a herd bound-barn sour horse before… it NEVER crossed my mind that this "issue" of hers would be a problem.

    She's barn sour. And herd bound. Here's the specifics:

    -I can take her from her friends in the barn and ride her in the indoor. It's not attached and a little ways away. No problem. She used to yell for them on occasion and still does but with far less frequency. I just have to work her through it; reprimands make her more anxious.

    -I can hack her out with another horse.

    -She rode well at a clinic, alone in a big outdoor with no other horses; but was anxious when the other horses were turned out and she wasn't. She remained so ALL DAY until the other horses came in.

    -At home, I can't bring just her in and put her in her stall or groom/tack up. She's very anxious to be in the barn alone and it really affects our ride.

    -At home I can hack out on The Trail (she's not spooky) to The Hay field. She did fine until the trail opened into field and then wanted to turn around and run home. I got that calmed down and she walked home relatively calmly. Not on a loose rein or anything, but flat foot walked.


    What can I do to fix this? Limitations include that I'm 18 weeks pregnant and unwilling to "fight it out" per say. I could take her out and longe her in the hay field, or perhaps hack out w/another person and then work away from the other horse and then walk back.

    But what do I do to fix the barn issue? In summer it's not a big deal as all horses are in all day due to the flies but as fall and winter come around, they'll all be out and I'll have to bring her in by herself to tack up/ride/longe.

    Thoughts? I'm willing to take all the time it takes.

  • #2
    Common sense would tell us that while you are pregnant is not the best time to be retraining horses that act up, for any reason.

    I would maybe see about putting her with a trainer that will address that for now, until you are back to riding without needing to be extra careful.

    I will say that I had better luck with barn/buddy sour horses that were anxious about it, not just being hardheaded, with going at it little steps at the time.

    I would go as far as they are not stressing and work there and come back and go back out, keep mixing it all, not just try to go and make them or else.
    I have been known to put a bucket with some extra goodies somewhere to make the trip more interesting.
    You could put some little crossrail gymnastics somewhere you can get to easily and work there a bit, then go some further and back, etc.

    Habituation eventually wins a bit at the time with those horses, as far as they can take being alone.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Bluey View Post
      Common sense would tell us that while you are pregnant is not the best time to be retraining horses that act up, for any reason.

      I would maybe see about putting her with a trainer that will address that for now, until you are back to riding without needing to be extra careful.

      I will say that I had better luck with barn/buddy sour horses that were anxious about it, not just being hardheaded, with going at it little steps at the time.

      I would go as far as they are not stressing and work there and come back and go back out, keep mixing it all, not just try to go and make them or else.
      I have been known to put a bucket with some extra goodies somewhere to make the trip more interesting.
      You could put some little crossrail gymnastics somewhere you can get to easily and work there a bit, then go some further and back, etc.

      Habituation eventually wins a bit at the time with those horses, as far as they can take being alone.

      Thanks, Bluey. I have some ideas!

      Im willing to do things that won't put me at risk while pregnant. Mare is pretty sensible but she's still a horse and when stressed.... Well. She's a horse!

      at this point my biggest concern is bringing her into the barn alone.

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        Originally posted by RegentLion View Post
        Thanks, Bluey. I have some ideas!

        Im willing to do things that won't put me at risk while pregnant. Mare is pretty sensible but she's still a horse and when stressed.... Well. She's a horse!

        at this point my biggest concern is bringing her into the barn alone.
        Could you take your grooming tools and do that part tied there, not quite in the barn alone, for now?
        Then go to the barn to saddle and that would take much less time.

        One way to get such a horse over it is to send it to a trainer, because that gives the horse a separation it can't help but to adapt to, unlike going back again to her herd to spend most of the day, time and again, where she is reinforced about being herdbound.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bluey View Post
          Could you take your grooming tools and do that part tied there, not quite in the barn alone, for now?
          Then go to the barn to saddle and that would take much less time.

          One way to get such a horse over it is to send it to a trainer, because that gives the horse a separation it can't help but to adapt to, unlike going back again to her herd to spend most of the day, time and again, where she is reinforced about being herdbound.

          Shoot! Forgot to respond to the trainer thing.

          I trust one local trainer. She's also pregnant.

          So I'd have to find a non local trainer. It's being considered to keep her under saddle while I can't ride but it's really not in the budget I don't think. :-(

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          • #6
            My gelding was pretty herd-bound...he didn't really have much choice. He was pastured in a small area with one other horse, and to work him, I had to leave her alone. Which she vocally objected to (we're talking whinnying to raise the dead here.)

            Anyway, I got in the habit of walking/jogging him off property and out of earshot in hand. Since he's a bit cold-backed too, this made a good warm-up for our conditioning rides. Once we were off alone, he was fine. Having "the fight" with the distraction of the other horse was just too much for both of us, and I got sick of eating dirt before I got smart about it. We did miles and miles of trail conditioning that year, all alone. He just started to learn to trust me, and got less pre-occupied with his buddy. He's a horse that I need to demonstrate very clear leadership with...one of the types who tends to panic if he thinks you don't know what's going on. After a few months, I could mount up in front of the other horse and walk off, no problems.

            I have another horse who had the weird habit of whinnying from inside the barn if he was brought in alone. For the first few weeks I owned him, I had perma-blush...he listened to me under saddle, but whinnied like crazy the entire time. I wrote it off as "weird OTTB habits" and after he settled in to the new routine, he stopped doing it under saddle. He sometimes still does this in the barn though. It's annoying (ie: when he's the last horse inside for the farrier.) He's a great horse otherwise, so this quirk is tolerated.
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            • #7
              My horse became pretty herd-bound (barn-sour too, if I took him out of the barn to trailer while everyone else was still inside) when we moved barns to a smaller facility and he began to be turned out with one buddy.

              I initially was really frustrated with it, because he would plant his feet and refuse to go into the barn if his buddy was still turned out and when I would manage to get him inside to tack up, he would whinny and pace like no other in his stall or "tap dance" (as I lovingly call his annoying shuffle) in the cross ties.

              What's really helped in the past month or so has been the following:

              -Trailering him often off property. Even just quick 15-20 minute trips have really helped in making him realize that he will not die if he is separated from the herd and that they will not magically disappear either.

              -Establishing a routine. Since you're pregnant and still trying to manage this issue, I would keep it simple at first, but I've developed a pretty decent schedule of hacking him 4 times a week. He's come to start expecting this and has taken some good steps in being able to be in the barn by himself and also be in the cross ties without tap dancing himself into a sweaty frenzy. The first week, if I brought him in while everyone else was outside, he would be half drenched by the time I got him tacked up and ready to ride, as well as whinnying his head off. Now, after about 3 or 4 weeks, he still does a bit of dancing but settles much more quickly and isn't as vocal.

              -Every time I've brought him while others are out or taken him out while others are in, I try to make it "Omg, the best time ever!!" by plying him with his favorite treats and praising him for even the littlest progress. So anytime he would stand still instead of dancing or stop whinnying, he would get a treat and a ton of praise. Now, he gets treats less often and not so much gushing praise, more of just a "Good boy!," since he's got the routine down.

              I think you can still do a good amount of work with her in trying to break the herd bound-ness even while pregnant and trying to keep things as safe as possible for yourself and little buddy. Might take a bit of creativity but it definitely can be done!
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              • #8
                at this point my biggest concern is bringing her into the barn alone.
                I have the same kind of horse. She has really improved because I bring her in and feed her in the barn (alone) first thing. She yells less often, now generally when she is a) in heat b) I leave her alone. Previously it was like The End of Days when I had to bring her in solo.

                And yes, the good behavior does outlast the food supply.

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