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  • #21
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chanter:
    I'd love to hog tie a few of their people that drive way too FAST through the neighborhood! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You live near sacred ground, dontcha know??

    What irks me is when I go horse shopping I come across ads for horses that have been Parelli "trained" and when I inquire about the horse the owner will ONLY sell to another Parelli follower. Gimme a flippin break! Like his teachings are the end all be all and if horse in particular was sold to someone who did not do the PP trickery, horse would end up living a horrible, abusive life!

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    • #22
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite:
      kewpalace, what I think is too bad is that the party tricks really detract from what they are really trying to accomplish. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yea, I agree, but it also seems to blind die-hard Parelli people from the fact that other trainers are doing about the same thing, just a little different methods. With all the BNT you can get the same/similar result with your horse, including the party tricks if that's what floats your boat, IF you are consistent with the training methods. The party tricks/marketing seems to either catch a customer to a particular trainer or turns you off that particular trainer .. . .

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      • #23
        I watch many of the RFD TV trainers and auto record on my tivo as well.

        I must admit that the Parelli's are my least liked TV trainers. But the Mecate reins are not their invention they are part of the original vaquero training/riding tradition. The Parelli's did not invent it. The mecate is looped and tucked into a pocket or through a belt loop so it stays handy, not tied around the rider.

        What I dislike is their marketing and renaming traditional training techniques to make it appear to be their new invention. I have no major problem with their ground training but some of their riding practices are questionable.
        They are really for beginners but I have seen Pat help a Barrel racer once and he had some valid points that really help the girl get her horse under control and relaxed.

        They are not all bad just a little hard to take when you are not a beginner!
        No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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        • #24
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Two Simple:
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eclectic Horseman:
          Well, I haven't watched and never will. I have no use for him.

          I've seen people with the mecate tucked into their belts in case of a voluntary dismount. I find that fascinating. The way that I train, I have great confidence that my horse will stay with me in the unlikely event that I come off. Interesting, isn't it that the NH trained horses are the ones that get the hell out of dodge when the rider comes off. Of course, it makes sense when the horse is rewarded by "release of pressure" from the trainer.

          Just an amusing observation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Actually, your observation is quite a ways off base. A long mecate rope is used to tie a horse to a tree on a trail ride while the rider lies on the grass, gets some lunch, etc. So while riding, the rope has to go SOMEWHERE. Most people loop it around the saddle horn. Others loop it to their belt because they either don't have a horn, or they don't want to scratch the leather on the horn. Still other people will tie the end of the rope to the saddle strings at the front of the saddle. Everyone does things a different way and it has NOTHING to do with hanging onto the horse so it doesn't run off after you get bucked off! It is crazy to even think about such a thing. Would YOU want to be tied to a run away horse via a rope around your waist??? I don't think so!! That is NOT the purpose of a mecate rope. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Thank you for typing the explanation-now I don't have to

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          • #25
            The tail of the mecate can be tied to a saddle string, hitched around the horn of the saddle, or tucked into a belt, belt loop, or belt of one's chaps. It's tucked in such a way that it would come lose, easily, if the rider and horse parted company.

            When it's tucked into the belt or chaps, it hangs down too low by the horse's shoulder and flaps when the horse is moving, so the long, loose loop from the bridle to the person's belt is laid over the saddle horn. It's not tied in any way, and the person is not tied to either the saddle or the horse.

            The purpose in having it in your belt or chaps is so that if you did have to step off the horse quickly--a greenie acting up, or stepping off to deal with a cow--you can maintain contact/control of your horse. As someone mentioned, if your horse really decided to part company with you, it could. But, remember, that people who ride in this tradition try their darndest to make sure that their horse will not ever have that intention.

            But ... stuff happens.
            "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

            Spay and neuter. Please.

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            • #26
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sannois:


              Them playing their tag thing with the horse, that black stallion of Pats always looks like he wants to bite the crap right out of Pat! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


              I watched for about 5 minutes one day just to see what all the hype was about. All I saw were miserable horses who looked like they wanted someone to turn the camera off for a few minutes so they could kill PP!

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              • #27
                Okay, so I respect opinions. I do.
                However, these opinions should be made with an understanding of what the opinion is being formed on.

                First, if you don't think Pat and Linda are worth watching, why do you watch?

                Second, have at least something of an open mind, please. At least enough to hear/see what others have to say about your comment.

                No, PNH is not for everyone. And I suppose its better that way, because if you are doing it but are not fully into it, your horse can become worse than it was before.

                Yes, it can be done incorrectly. Everyone who uses the program has seen horses trained wrong or has had to correct them.

                The carrot stick and string are just tools, like the ropes, halters, bridles. Just like the whip, spurs, and martingales are tools to others. They are all used to help achieve the desired response.

                However, for horses that have been CORRECTLY trained using PNH, the result is amazing. I have a mare who was started Parelli and thats all she knows. I have another mare who has been in the program for 4 years, and it has changed her attitude completely-she is a much happier horse and her vices have been solved. My gelding has been doing PNH for about 1 year now, and so many of his issues have been resolved he is a completely different horse.

                I myself have seen things I dislike in PNH, both from Pat/Linda and from those studying the program. However, part of being a good horse person is knowing what your horse needs and how to adapt to it. The program can be adapted to fit each horse. If every horse at my barn could be "Parelli-ised", life would be much easier for everyone, including me. I wouldn't have 10 people watching and asking questions every day I work my horse, or have requests to work with other horses.

                Some don't approve of Parelli methods, some do. Some don't approve of "regular" or popular methods, or whatever you want to call them, some do. If you don't approve, you can voice your opinion, but make sure you have the necessary info to back it up.

                In response to the rope on the ground comment which may have been answered already-
                This goes along with a common 'issue' (I don't know what else to call it!).
                Part of the philosophy is to let the horse take care of itself and work through problems.
                Another part is teaching to yield to pressure.
                A horse's natural instinct is to fight pressure, not yield to it.
                By letting the horse step on the rope, it either teaches him to yield to the pressure and stand until the person can help him (get him off the rope, for example) or it teaches him to watch where he is going and not step on the rope. If your horse does not fight pressure, he uses no energy. The more the horse fights, the more energy used, and he gets tired.
                If the horse learns to yield to pressure, say behind his head, he won't fight it. That's part of the philosophy behind tyeing. The horse has learned (hopefully) to yield to the pressure of the halter on his poll. Horses that pull back have not been taught to yield to the pressure.
                If your horse gets a foot tangled in a rope, the safest thing for him is to not move it. If you have taught him that it is ok to have it around his leg, he will stand quietly. It is if he never learned that is the more dangerous situation.

                My gelding used to freak out and pull back when he stepped on his lead. I let him do it, and ignored it when it happened. After a short time, he learned that if I don't make a big deal out of it, there's no problem. He started thinking of ways to get out of the situation himself. Instead of pulling back, now he either backs up and picks his foot off the rope, or stops and stands still.
                Coddling the horse and fussing over something like his leadrope near his leg doesn't help in the long run. That boy's got scars all up his back leg to the hock. Why? He was caught in a fence. He fought the hold on his leg, and cut it up. It took me 6 months to be able to do anything I wanted around that leg, because he was so insecure about it. If he had been taught to yield to pressure before, he never would have fought that wire around his leg. I know it for a fact.

                I'd be happy to offer more info if needed.

                That black stallion of Pat's, Casper, is merely being a stallion still. You'll never erase that from him. Don't forget also, that as with any horse and activity, if its done too many times the hrose can sour of it. Casper's showing signs of that a bit.
                If you want a clue about their relationship, watch everything Pat can get Casper to do. And this:
                One day during a session Casper took a jump and got caught in it. He was panicking. When Pat turned and saw what happened, Casper stopped thrashing and went still. What happened? Pat smiled. A release of pressure. All it took was a smile to calm the stallion enough to get him unstuck. And Pat was across the arena. I'd like to see everyone else get their horse to calm down just by smiling.
                ~Kate
                Owned by Lit, 1988 Russian Arabian
                Member of the Bareback Riders Clique, Proud Closet Canterer

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                • #28
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FLAbreds:

                  What irks me is when I go horse shopping I come across ads for horses that have been Parelli "trained" and when I inquire about the horse the owner will ONLY sell to another Parelli follower. Gimme a flippin break! Like his teachings are the end all be all and if horse in particular was sold to someone who did not do the PP trickery, horse would end up living a horrible, abusive life! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  For what its worth:
                  The man I worked for bought a horse that was a PNH trained horse, L3, trained by an instructor. Incredible horse. When he came to the barn, he could do everything.
                  After a few months however, he started getting unmanageable and eventually wasn't rideable. Nothing was wrong with him. But those riding him knew nothing about Parelli or natural horsemanship. His so called problems were merely a way of showing that he didn't understand what the riders were asking of him.
                  He was sold to a man who had been working in PNH for a few months. When the guy got on him, even though he was a L1 student, the transformation was awesome in the horse. Max never misbehaved. Why? The man was using his PNH techniques. He bought Max and is well into L2. Ever since, this horse has not stepped out of line once, all he does is try to make his owner happy. I've seen another person play games with him, and I've done ground work with him, and he is great. But the one time someone else who didn't know PNH handled him (after changing the owners), he was unmanageable.

                  Some (not all) Parelli people understand that if that's what the horse knows well, and the person doesn't know or isnt willing to learn it, the horse can become confused/frustrated and act out as a way of demonstrating their feelings. With some horses, that turns dangerous. Owners do not want to see people or their horses get hurt or be unhappy.
                  ~Kate
                  Owned by Lit, 1988 Russian Arabian
                  Member of the Bareback Riders Clique, Proud Closet Canterer

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                    #29
                    I haven't commented since my original post, so I'll respond to your points, Spazabian.

                    First, I've never seen a Parelli demonstration. I've only seen people use it who I'm sure were some of those doing it incorrectly or who didn't really "get it". So I was interested to see for myself what one of their lessons was like, which is why I watched the show. I actually would watch again, because I think I can find something to take away or give me a different perspective on what I'm doing. But I'm not interested in being a devotee of any one trainer - NH or not. I've read Dorrance, Rashid, Lyons, Pony Boy - sometimes for fun, sometimes for ideas - I think everyone has something worthwhile to share.

                    It seemed to me that PP has to speak to the lowest common denominator in order to reach the most people, no? The people they were teaching were beginners in every sense of the word. My guess is these people used to live in the big city, decided they'd like to retire to a ranch, and got some horses. Everyone wants to be a cowboy, right? And how hard could it be? So I'd guess that they realized it is harder than just driving a car or taking up a new hobby where a live, thinking, prey animal is your partner. And they were in deep doo-doo. So somehow they got hooked up with PP (and why wouldn't he want to help them...if that's their place, looks like they've got some dough!), and now they are trying to learn horsemanship.

                    I think, though, that along with horsemanship, they need to learn how to ride. (And now I'm speaking of beginners in general, not just these folks.) Beginners should not be getting bucked off consistently. IMO, it would be more beneficial for them to learn basic, safe horsemanship and riding, vs. playing those games. I can see where he's going with the games, but I have a lot of years behind me, so I can see through the basic exercise to understand the message. These folks didn't. And I think that's where the games get in the way. People do the games for the games' sake, but they don't "get it". So they just keep on playing the games. In the meantime, their other skills aren't really improving.

                    I think that for beginners, basic lessons in horsemanship and riding are important. Repetition and clear instruction and a reason for what they are doing is going to get them farther, IMHO. The games seem like they try to go about this, but not in a very clear, direct way. Again, I can see the point, but for a beginner it seems like they would be vague and confusing.

                    And the comment about the rope on the ground, I think was from the perspective of the handler's safety, not the horse's. If the rope got wrapped around the handler's leg and the horse took off, it could be a very dangerous situation for the handler. I'm not so worried about it for the horse.

                    Oh, and my anti-drug is turnout, exercise, good nutrition, and basic horsemanship.
                    "A horse's face always conveys clearly whether it is loved by its owner or simply used." - Anja Beran

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                    • #30
                      Excellent Pocket Pony! Very well said! I totally agree!!!!!

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                      • #31
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">First, I've never seen a Parelli demonstration. I've only seen people use it who I'm sure were some of those doing it incorrectly or who didn't really "get it". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Here here and absofreakinglutely!! I have honestly never watched a Parelli tape or read a book so I will not comment on his training methods. What DOES bother me is people I know who are absolute RANK beginners who have done NOTHING more than watch the tapes and are now several "levels" (?? that's what they call it) into the "training". They've never been to a clinic to see the application , nor have they had ANY training or support from a Parelli triner (or any trainer!!). It's VERY scary...and they are making HUGE mistakes that are very likely going to get them or their horse injured. I would like to say that this is the exception rather than the rule, but this is not the first time that I've encountered "Parelli" beginners who do not understand how to APPLY the principles in real life situations.

                        I think NH and Parelli have their place and I think they have a lot to offer (from the small amount that I have seen), but there is NO substitute for hands-on experience and assistance from a qualified trainer!!!
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                        • #32
                          On stepping on the line. Yeah, PNH teaches that it is good that your horse will learn to give to pressure so you don't worry if they step on the line. However, my trainer (who employs PNH concepts) did tell me that this ia a good idea when the line is attached to the halter. It is less of a good idea if the line is attached to the bit (which it is if you're using the PNH-type snaffle). The horse is supposed to yield to pressure but much safer and nicer if there is no bit in their mouth.

                          Watching the tapes and "shows". I got hooked on the PNH concept before I saw anything formal from Parelli. I think if I'd started by watching Parelli I don't know that I'd have been hooked. As has been mentioned, watching Parelli and the disciples power through training/retraining a horse in a few hours can be very destructive for the audience (who then thinks they can do it too) as well as potentially destructive to the horse. How can you learn in an hour by watching a tape or show or reading a book the nuances that you really need to learn if you are going to work your horse with NH type methods?

                          In A Whisper was a great presentation of PNH but I don't want my greenie broke to ride start to finish in 2 days...

                          And, one of my personal pet peeves with PNH is the no helmet thing. They will let you wear one but don't encourage it. Drives me nuts! Watch a tape/DVD and now you are an expert, hop on that pony and you'll never come off... arrrggghhhh
                          You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something… S. Jobs

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                          • #33
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What DOES bother me is people I know who are absolute RANK beginners who have done NOTHING more than watch the tapes and are now several "levels" (?? that's what they call it) into the "training". They've never been to a clinic to see the application , nor have they had ANY training or support from a Parelli trainer (or any trainer!!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Jilltx,

                            I don't remember for Level I but the higher up you go, you have to demonstrate your proficiency to someone who is Parelli certified for that level. You can't just buy the instruction set, do the exercises and claim certification (well, yeah you can ) but you aren't supposed to.

                            For the highest levels you can do alot of your work and certification via video but PNH wants to see your work for the certification.
                            You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something… S. Jobs

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                            • #34
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SpazabianLitRB:
                              In response to the rope on the ground comment which may have been answered already-This goes along with a common 'issue' (I don't know what else to call it!). Part of the philosophy is to let the horse take care of itself and work through problems. Another part is teaching to yield to pressure. By letting the horse step on the rope, it either teaches him to yield to the pressure and stand until the person can help him (get him off the rope, for example) or it teaches him to watch where he is going and not step on the rope. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, the rope I saw on the ground was not between the horse and the person on the ground, it was about 5' or so of the end of the lead rope at the person's feet. In other words, there is no way a horse would step on this part of the rope without stepping on the person, nor would it teach the horse anything if he stepped on this portion of the rope since it is at the end of the lead and if the person dropped the lead, there's still another 10' to the horse. I know how dangerous this is as I've done it myself.

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                              • #35
                                kewpalace,

                                The "standard" length for the PNH lead rope is 12'. Once you get used to managing the length, it's great (I can't stand the shorter lead lines now)! They also pimp a 20' (I think that's how long it is) line. This length is harder to work with as the lines that PNH recommends are a heavier yachting type rope.

                                I have both but believe me, I am *very* careful that the extra doesn't end up near my feet or around my hands/arms! But, if you aren't aware of the danger and aren't careful, it's really easy to get overwhelmed by that much line.

                                I rarely use the 20'. I can do simple lunge work with the 12' line and just walk the circle larger as my girl is working.

                                Again, this could easily be another case of monkey see, monkey do without the requisite knowledge behind it. The PNH stuff does try to teach communication stuff with your horse but I'd have to say in general it doesn't talk much at all about horse handling common sense (sigh).
                                You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something… S. Jobs

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                                • #36
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite:
                                  The "standard" length for the PNH lead rope is 12'. Once you get used to managing the length, it's great (I can't stand the shorter lead lines now)! They also pimp a 20' (I think that's how long it is) line. This length is harder to work with as the lines that PNH recommends are a heavier yachting type rope. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, obviously I'm off on my estimates (never was good at estimating things) but the rope was enough on the ground that the person could have easily gotten her feet tangled in them.

                                  And I'm not saying everyone does this or it is a Parelli practice/method. I'm just saying this is what I saw on the Parelli RFDTV episode I watched. This person was not doing it on her own (she was not alone) - both Pat and Linda were right there watching her, but no one said anything. Obviously an oversight (a dangerous one), but having been caught up in rope on my own (from which I did manage to learn from, LOL) and their emphasis on safety, I was surprised no one said anything about it.

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                                  • #37
                                    There are other trainers on RFD that use very similar training practices. I prefer watching Clinton Andersen and I like they way he breaks things down. He uses tack and equipment very similar to Parelli as does Dennis Reis, John Lyons, etc. What I don't like about Parelli is that his 1/2 hour show is 10 minutes of riding/training and 20 minutes hawking products.

                                    I agree that beginners should be taught riding and safe horsemanship before any training regime. You need to understand body language and horse behavior before you can even think about getting a horse to do what you would like them to do.
                                    To many, the words love, hope and dreams are synonymous with horses. ~ Oliver Wendell Holmes

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                                    • #38
                                      The rope hanging on the ground is a Parelli thing. I have watched enough of their show that I have caught them instructing a student to let go of the loops they were holding and let the end of the rope hang and drag on the ground. I am not sure why but I believe one reason for this is they don't want the student to have their hands full of rope and be able to let the rope slide through the hands if the horse moves off.
                                      No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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                                      • #39
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GE:
                                        What I don't like about Parelli is that his 1/2 hour show is 10 minutes of riding/training and 20 minutes hawking products. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's why I stopped watching Dennis Reis - he's really marketing HARD, LOL.

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                                        • #40
                                          All,

                                          Hence my observation that I don't think alot of the Parelli's because of their helmetlessness (is that a word???). If they won't teach that, I don't expect they teach other aspects of safety around horses. And, I don't care what anyone says... I don't care what PNH level you're at or how bombproof your horse is... they're still horses (and not dead ones at that...)
                                          You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something… S. Jobs

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