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Looking to Buy a "Jump-worthy" Sidesaddle. Need Advice.

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  • Looking to Buy a "Jump-worthy" Sidesaddle. Need Advice.

    Hi everyone!

    My lease mare's owner has been VERY generous about letting me ride in her restored antique Mayhew. Unfortunately, the late Ms. Chaudhary instructed her it's not sound enough for jumping.

    This horse can jump...and does. She almost doesn't know HOW to "just walk" over poles. It's a lot of fun, but who wants to break their neck, right?

    Since I can't afford one of those snazzy, new "Melody" sidesaddles from England, I'm looking at going used. Any recomendations or advice?

    BTW, the one I'm riding in is 22" x 13" and fits me REALLY well (my right thigh measures exactly 22" from the wall), but I haven't been coming across that size too often on line. How much longer/shorter could I go without it being ridiculous?

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    Fortunately for you, there are several knowledgeable Sidesaddle people here at COTH. I'm not necessarily one of them! From what little I know about sidesaddles, you can go a bit bigger but not smaller in the seat size. Fit for the horse is most important. You'll sore a horse fast if the saddle doesn't fit or is unbalanced.

    Have you searched for good used sidesaddles online? You'll want one that was designed for hunting as they're built to take the stress of jumping. Park or pleasure sidesaddles are not reinforced in the tree for jumping.

    I actually found a nice Knoud on eBay, but it needs some work before I ride it much. I "tried it out" a few times on my saintly gelding and it seems a good fit for us both, but I know it needs some flocking adjustments and light repairs before we go pedal to the metal in it.

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      Look at The Side-Saddlery or Hundred Oaks. You'll find the the saddles sound for foxhunting and work over fences will be listed as such. They will have in common flat seats, wide pommels, and very sturdy build. Get one with a deerskin or at least suede covered seat if you can spend the money; and you might also want to add a suede "Queen" (pommel pad/spacer) to the top pommel for added security.

      If you've never jumped aside before, start over a x-rail with NO stirrup, and your reins in your left hand with your right on the balance strap. Most Americans tend to jump aside just as if they were cross seat, but the more elegant and comfortable English way is to sit up as the horse descends from the height of his jump. Release out of hand and slip your reins, and you'll NEVER hit him in the mouth. The security will amaze you; just remember that if he were to come down, bailing out is unlikely so plan your ride accordingly; that said I used to jump some pretty trappy places as a whipper-in and never came to grief!

      Good that you know what size suits you before you're looking, and assume you'll have to get it flocked to fit your horse.

      http://www.hundredoaksinc.com/sidesaddle_buyers_guide


      Good Luck!

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        #4
        Thanks for the advice, ThreeFigs!

        I figured slightly larger was better than slightly smaller. (I don't want to be hanging off the edges!) We're going to do a new tracing this weekend to make sure the horse gets a perfect fit.

        One thing that concerns me is finding a qualified sidesaddle fitter out here who can do periodic flocking & balancing. (Losing our dear Lillian was a terrible thing in more ways than one.) Do you know how often I should have it checked?

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          #5
          Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
          Look at The Side-Saddlery or Hundred Oaks. You'll find the the saddles sound for foxhunting and work over fences will be listed as such. They will have in common flat seats, wide pommels, and very sturdy build. Get one with a deerskin or at least suede covered seat if you can spend the money; and you might also want to add a suede "Queen" (pommel pad/spacer) to the top pommel for added security.

          If you've never jumped aside before, start over a x-rail with NO stirrup, and your reins in your left hand with your right on the balance strap. Most Americans tend to jump aside just as if they were cross seat, but the more elegant and comfortable English way is to sit up as the horse descends from the height of his jump. Release out of hand and slip your reins, and you'll NEVER hit him in the mouth. The security will amaze you; just remember that if he were to come down, bailing out is unlikely so plan your ride accordingly; that said I used to jump some pretty trappy places as a whipper-in and never came to grief!

          Good that you know what size suits you before you're looking, and assume you'll have to get it flocked to fit your horse.

          http://www.hundredoaksinc.com/sidesaddle_buyers_guide


          Good Luck!
          Hi Lady Eboshi!

          That's WONDFERUL advice. Thank you so much for including the tips on jumping! Luckily, I never learned to jump in a cross saddle so my mind is fresh.

          My instructor & I are both reading "The Horsewoman" by Alice B. Hayes. I can't believe how much that woman knew about sidesaddle riding. I finally learned how to engage my right leg correctly and it's an ENTIRELY different experience now!

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            Originally posted by Gidget View Post
            Hi Lady Eboshi!

            That's WONDFERUL advice. Thank you so much for including the tips on jumping! Luckily, I never learned to jump in a cross saddle so my mind is fresh.

            My instructor & I are both reading "The Horsewoman" by Alice B. Hayes. I can't believe how much that woman knew about sidesaddle riding. I finally learned how to engage my right leg correctly and it's an ENTIRELY different experience now!
            Great! Sounds like you're well along the right track.

            If you possibly can, also get a copy of Betty Skelton's little book, Side Saddle Riding: Notes for Teachers and Pupils. She taught me back in the 80's, when she'd come over and stay with a friend while traveling to clinics all over the country. Even in her eighties and with arthritic fingers, she would ride aside on anything with a back to sit on!

            http://www.amazon.com/Side-Saddle-Ri...+Saddle+Riding

            One of those veddy-British-British, she made us feel we would be such a BORE if we couldn't jump the 3' vertical she built immediately after we'd survived the initiatory crossrail! You didn't disappoint her, that's for sure!

            BTW--the reason she wouldn't let us take the stirrup at first is because it's the kiss of death to try and "put weight in your heel" over a fence aside; gets you crooked and puts too much pressure on the horse's off-side wither. The entire contact is between your top knee and your right seat bone--friction, more than grip, holds you on!

            Another excellent book is The Art of Side-Saddle, by Rosamund Owen which is a fabulous reference and resource:

            http://www.amazon.com/Art-Side-saddl...of+Side+Saddle

            Above all, though, you need a saddle fitter who understands the requirements for custom-flocking your side-saddle to your horse--the panels are NOT even, there is more stuffing on the near side. This must be done individually and yearly. Fortunately, it's not that expensive. I don't know if Smokey Everhart is still active in VA, he was best of the best.

            If you can possibly find some, try and watch old films from Madison Square Garden pre-1985 for a look at the truly correct and elegant style--and especially British hunter and hack classes. Brits ride with their double reins long and almost in their lap as if holding knitting needles; when you want to show off your horse's shoulder, drop your off hand down alongside your knee but always keeping your back straight and your head still.
            Americans, over fences, started having problems around then with "hunchbacks," ducking and trying to "crest release" with hands on the neck. "No, no, and NOOOOOO!!!" Betty went hoarse correcting people!

            Channeling Betty now: "DON'T ride with either a square saddle pad or a snaffle, ever. (Except in Dressage.) Side-saddle horses must go in a Pelham or full bridle. She drummed into our heads, "If you can't be bothered to make it ELEGANT, don't ride aside!"

            Have fun!

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              #7
              Wow, Lady E! It sounds like you have a wealth of experience in this area. Too bad you're not close enough that I can invite you over and pick your brain...over a glass of wine, of course!

              Honestly, right now this is the biggest issue on my mind:

              Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
              Above all, though, you need a saddle fitter who understands the requirements for custom-flocking your side-saddle to your horse--the panels are NOT even, there is more stuffing on the near side. This must be done individually and yearly. Fortunately, it's not that expensive. I don't know if Smokey Everhart is still active in VA, he was best of the best.
              Forgive my ignorance, but I imagine the fitter would need to examine the saddle while it's ON your horse for an accurate fit, wouldn't they? Is there anyone in Northern (or even Central) California that you know of? It's not like I can haul my girl to the East Coast...especially since she's a "loaner."

              BTW, that Betty sound like she was a hoot!

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              • #8
                Sidesaddleheaven.com Sue is great!

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                • #9
                  You might also join the Sidesaddle riders! group on Facebook. Lots of nice things pop up there. They also have a sales page, the Sidesaddle Swap & Shop.
                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/2395236697/
                  Flip a coin. It's not what side lands that matters, but what side you were hoping for when the coin was still in the air.

                  You call it boxed wine. I call it carboardeaux.

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                  • #10
                    I have some for sale in the size you need; some are not listed yet. Http://www.cherryblossomfarm.net/sidesaddle.html
                    Cherry Blossom Farm - Show & Field Hunters, Side Saddles

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gidget View Post
                      Wow, Lady E! It sounds like you have a wealth of experience in this area. Too bad you're not close enough that I can invite you over and pick your brain...over a glass of wine, of course!

                      Honestly, right now this is the biggest issue on my mind:



                      Forgive my ignorance, but I imagine the fitter would need to examine the saddle while it's ON your horse for an accurate fit, wouldn't they? Is there anyone in Northern (or even Central) California that you know of? It's not like I can haul my girl to the East Coast...especially since she's a "loaner."

                      BTW, that Betty sound like she was a hoot!
                      Of course it's best if the fitter can actually see the saddle on your horse in person; but there are work-arounds. Smokey was in VA and my horse and I in CT; I mailed him pictures and a wither tracing plus the saddle and he did it perfectly. The main point is to work with someone who understands the requirements of flocking a side-saddle; there's a little more to it than normal.

                      Tons of good resources online, as everyone is posting.

                      Yes, Betty Skelton was wonderful; she is known to this day as the British side-saddle answer to George Morris:

                      https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...es/W7iHB3RRwxg

                      There was a great picture in Horse & Hound some years ago of 4 generations of Betty's family mounted aside; unfortunately I can't seem to find it online! I remember her being appalled that we washed our horses off after a sweaty summer ride with a hose! "That is nevah, nevah done in England!!" Probably because over there they'd never dry out . . .

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by oldbutnotdead View Post
                        Sidesaddleheaven.com Sue is great!
                        Hi OBND!

                        Yes, Ms. Tobin is great, isn't she? I've actually been in communication with her recently. She asked me to send a tracing so she can see what she has in stock.

                        Thanks so much for chiming in. I really appreciate your taking the time
                        Last edited by Gidget; Jul. 19, 2014, 07:08 PM. Reason: included additonal comments

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by jen-s View Post
                          You might also join the Sidesaddle riders! group on Facebook. Lots of nice things pop up there. They also have a sales page, the Sidesaddle Swap & Shop.
                          https://www.facebook.com/groups/2395236697/
                          Hi Jen-s!

                          I actually created a FB account and contacted them about being a member. After 3 tries and still no answer, I gave up and closed my account. Maybe they thought I was some crank because I didn't post a picture or any personal information. (That or I wasn't doing it right.)

                          Luckily my mare's owner belongs to a few sidesaddle groups on FB and she's been keeping her eyes peeled for me.

                          Thanks for the suggestion though. I really appreciate it.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by SidesaddleRider View Post
                            I have some for sale in the size you need; some are not listed yet. Http://www.cherryblossomfarm.net/sidesaddle.html
                            Hi SidesaddleRider!

                            Yes, you have a BEAUTIFUL selection. I'd be really interested in what you have coming available. (That 23" Pretal you have listed already looks tempting. )

                            Would you like me to send you a tracing? I already left you a voicemail on your mobile and followed up with an email (my real name's Gretchen), so feel free to contact me directly, if you like.

                            Cheers,

                            G.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
                              Of course it's best if the fitter can actually see the saddle on your horse in person; but there are work-arounds. Smokey was in VA and my horse and I in CT; I mailed him pictures and a wither tracing plus the saddle and he did it perfectly. The main point is to work with someone who understands the requirements of flocking a side-saddle; there's a little more to it than normal.
                              That makes a LOT of sense. I guess if someone's really good at their trade, they can "eyeball it" to some degree. Thank you so much for putting my mind at ease. As you can tell, I really want to do this RIGHT.

                              BTW, I'm going to be in CT during the first full week of August. Just sayin'...

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Gidget View Post
                                That makes a LOT of sense. I guess if someone's really good at their trade, they can "eyeball it" to some degree. Thank you so much for putting my mind at ease. As you can tell, I really want to do this RIGHT.

                                BTW, I'm going to be in CT during the first full week of August. Just sayin'...
                                Wish I had a good sidesaddle horse I could put you on! Both of my present partners are youngsters who've only gone cross-seat; we're not-quite-there yet.

                                But contact Sue Tobin in Thompson, CT at the link below because there is a VERY active group up in that northeast corner who I'm sure would be glad to meet you and show you the ropes; someone might even be able to supply a jumping lesson!

                                http://www.sidesaddleheaven.com/index.htm

                                She's the founder of New England Aside.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
                                  Wish I had a good sidesaddle horse I could put you on! Both of my present partners are youngsters who've only gone cross-seat; we're not-quite-there yet.

                                  But contact Sue Tobin in Thompson, CT at the link below because there is a VERY active group up in that northeast corner who I'm sure would be glad to meet you and show you the ropes; someone might even be able to supply a jumping lesson!

                                  http://www.sidesaddleheaven.com/index.htm

                                  She's the founder of New England Aside.
                                  Thanks, Lady E! I'll do that!

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Gidget View Post
                                    Forgive my ignorance, but I imagine the fitter would need to examine the saddle while it's ON your horse for an accurate fit, wouldn't they? Is there anyone in Northern (or even Central) California that you know of?
                                    There is a saddle fitter who comes through the Bay Area once a month. I have used him three times and he's great. I would be surprised if he didn't have sidesaddle experience as he has been a saddle fitter forever and his father was also a saddle fitter.

                                    I'm happy to provide his contact info if you want to get in touch with him.
                                    Proud owner of a Slaughter-Bound TB from a feedlot, and her surprise baby...!
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by jenm View Post
                                      There is a saddle fitter who comes through the Bay Area once a month. I have used him three times and he's great. I would be surprised if he didn't have sidesaddle experience as he has been a saddle fitter forever and his father was also a saddle fitter.

                                      I'm happy to provide his contact info if you want to get in touch with him.
                                      Oh yes, please. That would be VERY nice. Thank you.

                                      Feel free to PM me...that goes for everyone!

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                                        #20
                                        OK, now I'm confused:

                                        When I measure my right thigh against the wall, I get 22". When I measure it sitting on a bench with a book behind my seat, I get 21". Is this normal?

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