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Horses that do not like WIND

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  • #21
    Horses are less visual creatures than they are sound and smell creatures. A high wind can interfere with both these senses. Wind can create a lot of "static" or "background noise" that will impair their ability to hear potential predators. It can also bring a variety of smells that can confuse of "overload" their ability to "discriminate" between them. This is going to equate to a nervous horse.

    Adding "ear plugs" would degrade hearing even more possibly increasing restiveness. Maybe adding a bit of Vicks Vapo-Rub to the nostrils (as is sometimes done with stallions) could help calm restiveness from smell sensory overload.

    Some horses have a more "unstable" temperament than others. If the horse is naturally more "wary" than another horse there's really not a lot that can be done when the wind comes up.

    Letting "nature take its course" might be the best practice on windy days along with a bit of Vicks to dampen scent reactions.

    G.
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      #22
      Originally posted by SugarCubes View Post
      Good to hear he's getting so much turnout! It sounds like the issue isn't so much the wind as the trees and bushes moving around....does this seem right? I wonder if you could work on desensitizing him to shaking/blowing tree branches from the ground...
      Yes, this might be a thought. In so many ways, he is much easier to ride than he is to handle from the ground though. I almost feel like I may as well ride him! LOL.

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      • #23
        Someone else beat me to it - in my case, I found out it was *me* who was nervous & tense on extra windy days, and the horse naturally responded. I had gone through a period as an anxious rider in general, & rode a lot of young TB's who were very reactive to anything they could use as an excuse including winds.

        Now I have calmer, broker horses to ride, but I have "PSTD" about riding on windy days - I discovered the cure we to put the ear plugs on ME I stopped tensing up at every rustle in the leaves and wala, no more spooky windy day rides LOL. I don't have to put them in every time, but still will on occasion.

        That said I draw the line at over 20 mph - if the forecast is for sustained 20 mph or higher winds I pick another day.

        PS I thought the "reason" for the spookiness was everything "moving" so that horses couldn't use their excellent long distance predator watch eyes as well. Reason being when I'm riding out on a big field on a windy day, didn't seem such a big deal - but with the trees right by the arena, everything is in motion on a windy day. Guess it makes sense the smells would be blown all over too.

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          #24
          Interesting about the scent idea...hadn't thought of that. He doesn't ever seem to really be "smelling" anything, but I suppose the lack of ability to identify smells might be part of the issue.

          He's such a weirdo. Cold today when I rode (in the mid-50s) but no wind. A loud animal fight of some kind took place in the woods next to the ring (I think it was a cat fight), and he didn't care at all. Um, okaaaay. I fail to understand why that is less terrifying than the wind blowing through trees, but what do I know?

          I should also mention that this horse once knocked a bookshelf over and broke it into pieces in the aisle (don't even ask why there was a bookshelf in the aisle!) and was just like, "Meh, whatever. No one cares." Meanwhile, the rest of the horses in the barn freaked out.

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            #25
            Arcadien - but read on...I'm at least 99% certain it is not me in this instance.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by FineAlready View Post
              Plainandtall - I think you are probably right about the source of his stress. It's kind of like he is on prey animal overdrive when it is windy. I could totally see how not being able to hear or see the "important" things (like a lion about to attack or something), could be very upsetting for a horse that is generally spooky. There is zero doubt in my mind that he is actually afraid. It's really unmistakable, and I'm not upset with him about it so much as I just wish I could help him a little more with it. It IS getting better, bit by bit, but really only when I'm on him or leading him. He still gets very upset if he is in a windy paddock with trees or sometimes even in his stall if things are blowing outside.

              He's actually already on a magnesium/B vitamin supplement because of suspected EPSM. It doesn't make him quieter or help with the spookiness, but that's not why he is on it anyway - he's on it because it makes him much less hard-muscled.

              TBROCKS - yeah, it's definitely the wind and not me being worried about the wind. If he is in a paddock bordered by trees on a windy day, he absolutely panics and will spend all of his time in the shed staring out and spooking in place repeatedly. If someone walks by, he will SCREAM to be brought in on days like that, and then will blast over to the handler in a panic like, "Get me out of here!" He also becomes upset about wind blowing through the trees outside the window of his stall. I've also ridden literally hundreds of other horses in the wind with zero problems my entire life, so I am pretty sure I don't have some kind of inherent wind anxiety that I'm passing along to him.

              As I mentioned, I do not think lunging him is the answer. He does much better when he is really WITH me (either being led or ridden). I've tried lunging him in the wind a couple times, and it just makes him worse. He flies around in a blind panic and is at risk of getting hurt. He also does not work down, ever. He's a Thoroughbred and basically a bottomless pit of energy, especially when worked up.

              Through the years, we've mostly gotten to the point where he will pay attention to me and at least attempt to maintain a reasonable level of calm when I am on him. So I think I've probably answered my own question in talking it through with all of you fine folks - I think I just need to keep at it with him and not get discouraged that my wind-hating horse doesn't just come out of the stall one day loving wind. It's going to be a process, and I suspect he won't ever really love it - the best I can probably hope for is that he will be focused and respectful enough not to react to it. We are almost there now...at least when I am actually ON him.
              I wonder if giving him a toy in his paddock would help. When I take my horse to away shows or camping I take his big ball with us and he definitely acts reassured when he sees it. Or if not , a slow feeder so at least the food might distract him.

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              • #27
                What are you feeding? Too much sugar or carbs can heighten overstimulation. Sometimes a change in feed can make a huge difference.
                Have you done any desensitization work? I've done a ton of ground work since taking my OTTB to a Buck Brannaman clinic - its made a HUGE difference in him under saddle. I think some people misunderstand ground work, but using Buck's techniques have made my horse a lot more trusting and confident. Its worth a try.

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                • #28
                  I live in a very windy area, also known as Montana, and what he's doing isn't very normal. Ours might be jumpier if we're riding them in a wind but if they're just out in their pasture environment that does not change from one wind to the other, they aren't huddled in and worried about it.

                  I think there is something very basically wrong with him; a deficiency or eyes or hearing... Horses are outside animals; he shouldn't be taking this so hard.
                  “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.” Stephen R. Covey

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by cowboymom View Post
                    I live in a very windy area, also known as Montana, and what he's doing isn't very normal. Ours might be jumpier if we're riding them in a wind but if they're just out in their pasture environment that does not change from one wind to the other, they aren't huddled in and worried about it.

                    I think there is something very basically wrong with him; a deficiency or eyes or hearing... Horses are outside animals; he shouldn't be taking this so hard.
                    I disagree. You live in a windy area I assume your horses grew up there and are used to it. My horse also grew up in a windy area of California and he is so solid with wind that a whirly gig passed through us when stopped at a halt during a dressage test. The judge was so impressed she gave us a 10 for the halt.
                    And my horse is also a tb
                    However other than my current horse most of the horses I've ridden had issues with wind and this horse may be on the more extreme of the spectrum but I don't think anyone just reading about this online has enough info to say there'a something basically wrong with him
                    Last edited by DaniW; Jul. 14, 2014, 11:48 PM. Reason: Clarify which horse I'm referring to

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                    • #30
                      This horse lacks having been out in a herd in a large pasture turnout situation and has not learned that this is all normal. All horses that I have ridden have to some extent or another been affected by high wind, especially if there is that wind moaning sound going on and constant movement of wind, grass, leaves, limbs etc. He has not had a chance to experience this on his own with other stable horses and he is afraid. Just like the horse who learned to touch his person when she says he is okay, I would work with him like that, not making him work so much as learning that he can really trust that he will be okay. If he cannot be turned out (and by large I mean horses have at least an acre each of space), then you have to do it with him whenever you are handling him and he has to learn to focus on you and trust that you are a leader that he can take comfort from. It does not sound like you get angry or frustrated with him but you need to take this one step further like the other poster who has finally gotten her horse to trust her so much that he will touch her when he is frightened. Once they look to you and you give guidance on a consistent basis, I am certain that he will get over the bulk of this problem. He being out by himself is a bit of a problem but you have to do what you have to do when your horse is a bit aggressive and you are in a boarding situation. There is really no other "solution" than constant immersion and making sure that you are a trustworthy and consistent leader.
                      "We, too, will be remembered not for victories or defeats in battle or in politics, but for our contribution to the human spirit." JFK

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                        #31
                        To answer a few questions - he's actually on a high fat/low sugar diet (EPSM diet) and has been for two years. I really don't feel it is diet. Especially since when it isn't windy he's completely fine.

                        I have done a fair amount of groundwork with him, although nothing much lately and no actual desensitization clinics. But that's worth a try - thanks for that idea!

                        I don't think there is anything wrong with his vision or hearing, but I suppose I could be wrong. I just had the left eye looked at recently because it swelled up, and nothing was wrong with it.

                        *I* am actually the poster whose horse touches me to comfort himself when I'm leading him and he gets scared. I do consider that good progress, so I will keep working along those lines. If we just ride at a walk in the wind he's good most of the time now. When we trot and canter, things get a little dicey again (I think because it is harder for him to keep track of what is going on).

                        He actually used to be kind of like this at one end of the indoor in winter, buy he's gotten so much better about that that I kind of forgot about it - he hated the sound of cars pulling in the driveway at that end.

                        We will see how he is today - it is pouring rain/storming, so I will have to ride him inside and the scary part of the indoor has a few panels removed from the wall at the moment, lol. This will be a good test of how comfortable we REALLY are with the indoor these days.

                        Post-ride update: He didn't care about the missing wall panels at all, even though there was exposed insulation and plastic where the wall panels used to be. You know, the more I think through this and read what folks have posted, the more I think that I was wrong in thinking that it's the visual component of the wind that bothers him. I bet it is the sound, or perhaps a combination of the sound plus the visual.
                        Last edited by FineAlready; Jul. 15, 2014, 11:49 AM.

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                        • #32
                          Maybe he is right to be afraid of the wind when he is in a wooded area. My horse and I were almost hit by a huge tree limb that fell next to us on a windy day. The girl who bought our pony was killed by a tree limb that landed on her when she was walking with her father in their yard. I have a lot more respect for wind than I used to have. I try to avoid the woods when it is windy. You horse shouldn't rear or act in a dangerous manner, but a little anxiety may not be bad.

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by AKB View Post
                            Maybe he is right to be afraid of the wind when he is in a wooded area. My horse and I were almost hit by a huge tree limb that fell next to us on a windy day. The girl who bought our pony was killed by a tree limb that landed on her when she was walking with her father in their yard. I have a lot more respect for wind than I used to have. I try to avoid the woods when it is windy. You horse shouldn't rear or act in a dangerous manner, but a little anxiety may not be bad.
                            Yeah, that's a good point too. Two huge trees have actually fallen down on the property this summer (one into a paddock - no horses were in it and my horse wasn't even outside at the time). But we are not actually close enough to the woods that we would be in danger of being hit by a falling tree. The trees border the arena, but they are set back a few feet. I also rarely really ride on the side of the (large) arena that is closest to the woods because there is a dressage arena set up on the other side, so I mostly ride in there. The non-dressage arena side has a lot of jumps in it, so I really only ride over there if I'm walking/warming up.

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                            • #34
                              Wonder if you know his history, where he was born, raised. We had some horses from Canada, Great Plains area who were used to being able to see for miles. They had some severe adjustments to make coming to Michigan, with our patches of woods, planted corn fields, hills, that blocked seeing so far away.

                              You said he is better with clear areas in the field, trimmed back trees at past farms, so maybe he worries because he can't see for any distance or hear well in hard wind with leaves rattling.

                              I don't know of any ear covers that block sound, mine are just cloth ears to keep the flies out. Doesn't affect horse hearing anything noisy around himself. We just had to work thru the horses being silly about noises or flashes of movement seen thru the trees we were near. Horses relied on US, gained confidence we would NOT LET ANYTHING hurt them, were brave to face the "scary sound" when asked. They were NICE horses and with time, regular exposure to new things at shows, outings, they were pretty confident in all kinds of situations, even without the "10mile view" of their Plains origins.

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                                #35
                                Originally posted by goodhors View Post
                                Wonder if you know his history, where he was born, raised. We had some horses from Canada, Great Plains area who were used to being able to see for miles. They had some severe adjustments to make coming to Michigan, with our patches of woods, planted corn fields, hills, that blocked seeing so far away.

                                You said he is better with clear areas in the field, trimmed back trees at past farms, so maybe he worries because he can't see for any distance or hear well in hard wind with leaves rattling.

                                I don't know of any ear covers that block sound, mine are just cloth ears to keep the flies out. Doesn't affect horse hearing anything noisy around himself. We just had to work thru the horses being silly about noises or flashes of movement seen thru the trees we were near. Horses relied on US, gained confidence we would NOT LET ANYTHING hurt them, were brave to face the "scary sound" when asked. They were NICE horses and with time, regular exposure to new things at shows, outings, they were pretty confident in all kinds of situations, even without the "10mile view" of their Plains origins.
                                I actually do know this information. He was born in Iowa, and raced in Iowa and Arkansas. So I imagine he was probably out in some field somewhere in Iowa growing up, and then probably housed at the track(s) while he was racing. From what I've seen of Iowa, it's pretty darn flat and treeless, although I think people would say that about Wisconsin too (where he lives now), but we obviously do also have trees and woods here too.

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