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For those who have purchased a CANTER horse...update p.17 I give up

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  • Original Poster
    #361
    I was thinking....since I have until Dec12--is there anyone SO bored that just happens to be going to the track that would like to take some pictures of Bullet???



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    • #362
      I went and saw him for another buyer before...you might have seen his picture in my webshots album under canter horses....

      community.webshots.com/user/jenarby

      Good, Better, Best.....the best don't rest until their good is better and their better is the very best!
      RIP Spider Murphy 4/20/02 - 10/31/10

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      • Original Poster
        #363
        jenarby-that album with Bullet-he actually is very cute in that picture.

        Did you happen to see how big he is? The site lists him at 16h-I am just curious if he is more 15.3/16 or 16/16.1.

        I also heard he is a pretty nice mover. How was his temperament when handled for the photos?

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        • #364
          I measured him right at 16 hands. He moved sound and he was clean legged. I take notecards with me and the comments I wrote on him were, "NICE, clean and sound, would be a cute hunter, but I'd event him."
          He stood completely quiet when I went over him. Didn't flinch for measuring and he trotted nicely for his handler. The guy who showed him to me (not Joe, he was in arkansas) said that if he had the moeny he's buy him himself (he also shows hunter/jumpers).

          Good, Better, Best.....the best don't rest until their good is better and their better is the very best!
          RIP Spider Murphy 4/20/02 - 10/31/10

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          • Original Poster
            #365
            thank you jenarby I appreciate you sharing that with me!

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            • #366
              LMH, just thought I'd mention something since I know you're looking for a horse that vets well. A reasonable schedule for horses to race is once every 3-4 weeks, not every eight days. So before you get your hopes up too high, just bear in mind that Bullet has probably had quite a bit of wear and tear.
              www.laurienberenson.com

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              • #367
                mmm...not so much in the lower ranks Laurie--they run typically ever 11 to 14 days.

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                • #368
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LaurieB:
                  A reasonable schedule for horses to race is once every 3-4 weeks, not every eight days. So before you get your hopes up too high, just bear in mind that Bullet has probably had quite a bit of wear and tear.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  10-14 days is the average for a "real life" racehorse (i.e., not Funny Cide, Seattle Slew, etc.) They also have much longer careers than the 'big' horses do. Going longer than that, it gets difficult to keep the horse fit. An unfit horse is much more likely to injure themselves than a fit horse. Going 3-4 weeks between races is not necessarily in the horse's best interest. Horses that don't run every 10-14 days work that often anyway.

                  Running back in 8 days is not a problem, depending on what the horse does between races, how sound it is, and how often they run back this quickly. If anything, this tells you that the trainer has a HUGE level of confidence in the soundess of this horse. If he didn't, there is no way he'd try to run him back in 8 days. He'll probably have 2-3 days off, gallop for a few days, then run. The meet there is ending, and he's getting his last chance in before he sells him.

                  Two Toofs
                  (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                  • #369
                    Jenarby, how nice of you to post here for LMH. I looked at your picture of Bullet, and he's so nice right down to his blaze.
                    I think it's so great that everyone here rally's around the Canter horses and OTTB's to get them homes.
                    I wonder how many Canter horses belong to BB members? And how many found homes because of the people here getting the "word" out.
                    I think we're doing a great job and everyone deserves a pat on the back. Mary

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                    • Original Poster
                      #370
                      inmotion-there is a thread in off course right now where everyone is posting pics of their OTTBs! It is great! Some actually have before and afters

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                      • Original Poster
                        #371
                        LaurieB-thank you for the concern...I really am not holding my breath or getting my heart set on anything--whatever is meant to be will be...

                        If he is available after the 12th, he will either have a good vetting or not...

                        That does bring up another question-is there anyplace that has a record of his starts or racing career? I am sure I can find this online somewhere?

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                        • #372
                          Equine Line has these, Leah. You have to pay for the reports, but I have gotten information on my dtr's first horse, Stefon (including tracking down 10+ yr old win pics), and on Shadow. I believe they are the information systems division for the jockey club.

                          Bullet is so cute. I am keeping my fingers crossed that this works for you! You are definitly due for some good things to happen.

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                            #373
                            So how many starts would anyone consider alot of starts of one year?

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                            • #374
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LMH:
                              So how many starts would anyone consider alot of starts of one year?

                              _ _ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              It really depends on how long the meet is and how many tracks are within shipping distance of where the horse is located. Don't look so much for how many in a year, but how often and how consistent the starts were. If you see a horse that is only running once a month, that would be a big red flag as far as soundness goes. Every 10-14 days is a good "average" measure. I'd say 10-15 starts a year (again, depending on where the horse is running) would be a good 'average'. Breaks of a couple of months, or those that coincide with the down time of that track (say they are down Dec. - May.- expect the horse to be off during that time unless he is shipped elsewhere to run) aren't necessarily indications of lameness. There are too many variables to give you a good, solid answer to this one.

                              Get his record and post it and we'll see what it looks like, where he's raced, etc.

                              Two Toofs
                              (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                              • Original Poster
                                #375
                                Does this work?

                                https://www.equineline.com/eqlreports/14358542.htm

                                Also you will notice he is a 98 model not a 99 as listed on the Canter site...must have been a mix-up somewhere.

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                                • #376
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LMH:
                                  Does this work?
                                  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Worked for me. The race coming up will be his 19th start this year - that's bordering on a lot, but he's run the entire year with a fairly consistent amount of time off between races (you can't always control when they'll write a race for your horse, or if your horse will get in, etc.) So yes, it's a lot of starts - HOWEVER, they are over a 12 month period of time. Most horses that have 10-15 starts a year don't run year round.

                                  I'd be absolutely shocked if this horse had any major lameness issues (but of course, always vet check). There is no way a horse with serious issues could maintain a schedule like that.

                                  I see nothing at all in his record that would lead me to believe the horse has soundness issues (that doesn't really mean anything, just that there is nothing glaring in his record). He does have a DNF (did not finish), and because this doesn't have chart comments, you can't tell why. He ran right back within a month, so he was either so far out of it that he wasn't considered a finisher, or possibly lost his rider, didn't break properly, grabbed a quarter, etc. Worth asking about, but not worth worrying to much about because it wasn't followed by a lengthy layup.

                                  Two Toofs
                                  (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                                  • #377
                                    I have nothing to add, except that I know Bullet's sir has produced a few in the hunter world.

                                    I know I have seen that name before, but of course can't remember who at this point.

                                    Hopefully it will come to me.



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                                    • #378
                                      Wanted to note that this horse is indeed "sitting on a win". The trainer has every reason to think this horse as a good shot of winning one more race, and certainly isn't being out of line in his thinking. He's been second twice in his last 4 starts.

                                      If that is the entire record, it would be worth asking why he didn't make his first start until age 4 (not unheard of, we have that happen occasionally for reasons that don't necessarily have to do with soundness - most of ours don't start until 3).

                                      Two Toofs
                                      (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                                      • #379
                                        If you're really desparate - you could just have someone claim him for you - it looks like he was running for a 3500 tag - then you could stop waiting. Just an option.

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                                        • Original Poster
                                          #380
                                          One other thing that stands out to me when looking at his racing record as a whole:

                                          He has raced 25 times in 18 months. he started in July 2002 and has been out each month at least once a month for his whole career-now the good news is that means he is one strong cuss...would it be bad news that he has not had any off time?

                                          race_run_jump---the main reason I won't claim him is $3500 is more than his asking price and from my understanding I couldn't vet him after-he would be "mine" no matter what? Correct me if i am wrong.

                                          I like Bullet but I don't like to make such quick decisions.

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