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  • #61
    Not that this will help but when I finally did a bonescan on my older gelding with intermittent left front and right hind issues, they found SI arthritis, hock arthritis and kissing spine. Treatments for those findings didn't improve much and he later blocked sound in the upper hind suspensory, but no lesions were found on ultrasound. Nothing ever showed on the front so it's presumed to be his crappy feet, and good shoeing helps a lot.

    Several thousand dollars later I ran out of money and quit looking. Deided to semi-retire him, but keep him on corta-flex, pentosan and Previcox. He is still happy to work even being not quite sound.

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    • #62
      Looks RH but also could be LH when you change directions. Doesn't look high to me I would look at hocks.

      Also, if hind end is sore, she is probably shifting weight forward to relieve hind end and stressing front end thus the pulses in front feet.

      Good luck.

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        #63
        Just to reiterate, vet flexed her, negative for hock.
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        • #64
          This "a funny hoppy bolt thing" along with the odd sweat makes me think nerve irritation in the neck. This was something i've seen in a horse with a damaged ligament in the neck. Nothing on xray, but a lump in the neck that slowly shrunk away as the horse became sound again. Has the vet examined her neck? The horse I know would actually be three legged and in absolute fits for a couple of steps if he tweaked his neck, then absolutely normal again.

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            #65
            I didn't forget guys!! But I got out there and she had pulled the RH shoe (is there a facepalm emotie?), so I was going to boot her and try to lunge anyways, and was even going to rope the BM's husband into videoing...but the lunge line was MIA.

            Comedy of errors.

            I'm bringing out my lunge line from my trailer tomorrow to try again.
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              #66
              OK, for what it's worth, new videos

              I lunged her both with the missing shoe and then with a boot on the foot (not that I saw much difference). Farrier showed up later to tack the shoe back on. He used hoof testers and got a reaction at the apex of the frog. Also, she did not want to bring her foot forward to the stand to get the nails clinched.

              To the right barefoot

              To the left barefoot.

              With boot
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              • #67
                still see Left shoulder.

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                • #68
                  Hard to say, but she seems less off than in the initial video, hardly noticeable now.

                  Maybe it is self resolving, if she doesn't re-injure whatever is wrong?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                    Hard to say, but she seems less off than in the initial video, hardly noticeable now.

                    Maybe it is self resolving, if she doesn't re-injure whatever is wrong?
                    Agree. She is much better on the lunge. Step through is a little short on the right hind, but that could be due to the missing shoe as she otherwise looks even. If she still is off under saddle, that would lead me to think back so I would have chiro check her and follow up with massage.

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                    • #70
                      Soooo, could she have had a nail a little close to the white line? Not enough to lame her but enough to be uncomfortable until shoe fell off? Now we are just seeing "I lost my shoe" movement. I still see hind, but noticably better.
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                        #71
                        Yep, noticeably better. The concern though is that it's been coming and going since June 12th. When the vet was out not last week but week before, he couldn't find anything. Last week, obviously off. This week, better. And before all that, she had the explosions under saddle, and then a few rides that seemed fine, then way worse again.

                        She is scheduled for chiro on Monday, and I'm going to switch out the cribbing muzzle to a cribbing collar. I noticed while lunging and you can see it on the video, but while tracking right she is cocking her head to the left but isn't really looking at anything over there. Nose out, poll in. And when she was cribbing last night, she held her head the same way (nose left, poll right) to a slight degree, but definitely not on the vertical like normal.
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                          #72
                          So Monday, she was adjusted. Per him, she was out 1-7 in the neck, both shoulders, both hips, and her lower back in front of the SI. He said to give her two days off. She got three, because of work, and I tried to ride this morning.

                          Train wreck. So tense that I honestly couldn't tell if she was off or not, but obviously an unhappy horse. I hopped off to lunge and decided to get a video. Yes, I HATE these kinds of videos, but there was no one else around, and I'm glad I got it because it FINALLY showed the bolting. This is a super lazy mare.

                          So other than being off (LF?), she is fairly normal until 0:44ish, when her you can see her head come up. This is how she was under saddle. Then she bolts off a couple times. If I hadn't been attached to her bridle and just a halter, she might have gotten away from me...how I kept my phone on her is a miracle.

                          http://youtu.be/0spoAoAh2so

                          Thoughts?!?!

                          I am at my wits' end...
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                          • #73
                            Well, I see foot soreness. I have some thoughts but please don't take this as I think I KNOW but just things that I would want to investigate. I think at the very start of the video she looks very short and mincing on her feet. She also has the look of a horse that is bracing her neck and head in that tip toe pose they do when their feet hurt. After feet, it looks like all over body soreness. But honestly, I think she would be sore all over from her feet hurting. Go to :13 in the last video and this is where I really see the problem. She is bracing her neck and head and mincing on her feet. I feel like I have read every post but I didn't remember saying that you guys have done radiographs of her feet. I hope it works out.
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                            • #74
                              She looks off on the same she seemed in the first video, left front, with a slight head bob more often than not.

                              The first run and kick was not indicative of much, the second one could have been more the "something grabbed me!" for a minute.

                              Would your vet put that and maybe other videos on VIN for some specialists to look over?
                              At least get more ideas where to check next?

                              That is what my vet did when my dog was having strange behaviors, that the specialists said were epilepsy and medication stopped.
                              She put the video of her stopping in mid step with a foot out there for a few seconds and then going on like nothing happened.

                              Maybe someone in VIN has seen a horse present like yours and has some ideas?

                              She is such a nice mare!

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                              • #75
                                Scanned through replies, my apologies if this has been suggested before: Has blood been pulled for a tick bourne illness? This type of idiopathic lameness, where the source cant' be 100% identified make me think of 2 things, back issues (and you said it happens on the lunge with no tack), or ticks.

                                Reason I suggest this is b/c you stated it comes and goes, of varying severity, and nobody can seemingly agree upon which limb. Does it respond to NSAIDs? If not, or at least not markedly improved, that also would make me think ticks.

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                                  #76
                                  Responded to nsaids, yes, she was sound and happy and back to being a kick ride. She'd rather go around like a western pleasure horse if she could, this head up and tense neck biz is new.

                                  I'll get the vet out for foot rads, I think this is def LF now.
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                                  • #77
                                    I think I agree with foot soreness. Has she ever worn front shoes? My farrier was here last week and saying that this summer's weather is hell on feet. It may be that the hard ground, with now very dry feet, is making her sore. Perhaps front shoes, with or without pads, are worth a try.

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by UrbanHennery View Post
                                      I think I agree with foot soreness. Has she ever worn front shoes? My farrier was here last week and saying that this summer's weather is hell on feet. It may be that the hard ground, with now very dry feet, is making her sore. Perhaps front shoes, with or without pads, are worth a try.
                                      That is true here too.
                                      My old ranch horse has not worn shoes forever, but his feet were looking a bit off so we put front shoes last trimming, just to protect them for a bit.
                                      We may just trim or reset once more next go round.

                                      Now, he was never lame, it was just a precaution when we noticed the change in his hooves, from practically perfect to a bit flared and lightly chipped.
                                      We had no rain for several years and now 12" in the past two months and everything is soggy and then dry and soggy again.
                                      He also was started on Prascend, so who knows why the change in hoof quality and our regular farrier was sick the last two times.
                                      Two different farriers, good ones, trimmed him, the last one put the shoes on in front.
                                      Our farrier is well now, see what he thinks next go-round.

                                      I assumed all along the vet had x-rayed front feet of this mare.
                                      That is our first go to here for our vets, cheap way to rule out so much.

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                                        #79
                                        She is shod all the way around.
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                                        • #80
                                          Does the owner have the ability to get a nuclear scan? I think there may be a chip in that shoulder. Is that area still sweating?
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