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  • #61
    I agree that it's an adult's choice to wear a helmet or not. However, I will not ride with anyone who's not wearing a helmet. That's my rule I don't want the responsibility nor the guilt should something happen.

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    • #62
      When I was in 4H and visiting my friend who kept her horse at her barn, I witnessed her riding her horse with out a helmet, I asked why. "Because I am an adult, at my own facility, on my own horse". I would consider her fairly arogant, and she was also late 20's early 30's.

      The instructor I have now always wears a helmet, and you have to wear a helmet to ride on her property. She has evented intermediate, judges up to advanced, and is also in her early 60's (age comparison for early mentioned instructor). I am sure she has seen a fair amount of accidents, probably deaths, and even heard of many deaths. She also has a barn full of young girls wanting to be just a good of rider as she is.

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      • #63
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by greysandbays:
        Why do helmet nazis think everybody is as scairt of horses as they are??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Damn! I've been outed. I'm an overweight, non-athletic middle-age woman who is just plain scairt of my horses.

        I'll allow you the plank illustration ... as long as that board weighs at least 800 lbs, has four legs and a mind of its own.
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        • #64
          Well said!

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          • #65
            I tell you I dont give a rats behind what anyone does other than myself and students, well Student, I know its not a matter of being scared, I grew up riding in Jeans chaps and tennies, except at a show or a lesson, and jumping too. I know that the easiest thing to do is land on your head and thats all she wrote, I do jump with one and go on trails with one, and ride young strange horses in one, All it takes is for me to be riding along, my old guy spooks sideways while I am just looking at the scenery and poof hit head on rock, and be drooling in a home somewhere as quick as that, and thats if I dont die first! PEOPLE THAT DONT WEAR THERE HELMETS DONT NEED LECTURES FROM THOSE WHO DO!!! ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS Sorry for yelling but this is the most annoying thing, stay out of others lives, IF they dont want to thats their fault and problem Not yours! And dont start with the But its for your own good crap! Or the insurance crap! I pay damn well for my insurance. I am not saying that I do not know it is smart to wear one, I only think it is none of folks business if we dont. OK Flame away!~

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            • #66
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:
              We don't need Nanny's at the barn...If it's an adult riding, shut up about helmets. Free will still reigns. It's their choice. Smokers make a terrible example to kids, over-eating and anorexic riders do too, so do druggies and people cheating on their spouses...would you walk up to them and make a quip about being a bad example? No, you wouldn't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Actually, a family at one barn I boarded at did talk. They took 1 horse out of full training (young prospect that was also being competed by the BO/trainer), another full care board horse, and teenager out of riding lessons. They were very upfront that they did not want the teenager being exposed to the affair of the barn owner/ trainer with a client. They spoke even more loudly by taking their business elsewhere. And these were clients who had paid their board for 6 months in advance and helped with all kinds of odds and ends around the barn. Not exactly what a new facility can afford to lose and expect to stay afloat.
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              • #67
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Why do helmet nazis think everybody is as scairt of horses as they are???

                I use the following example to illustrate a point:

                Say there is a million dollar prize for walking across a 4" wide plank, 20' long, suspended 100' above the earth with no safety net and no safety harness.

                Contestant #1 is a overweight, non-athletic middle-age woman who is afraid of heights. She backs out because it's way too dangerous and she's sure she's gonna die if she tries it.

                Contestant #2 is a circus performer who has worked on the highwire since she was a child. She laughs, hops out on the plank, does a few flips and handstands on the way to the far side and thinks "Dang, this is the easiest money I ever made".

                The plank is the same for both. The "splat" at the bottom will be the same for either, should they fall. But, based on their life experience, the prospect of walking across that plank scares one person shitless, and is child's play to the other. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                LOL...okay, how about if the woman trying it is indeed middle aged (just starting middle age thankyouverymuch), rides continuously, rides everything, has 11% body fat, works out religiously for her sport and can bench her body weight in reps? I'm not afraid of horses at all...even with some of the basket cases I ride...yet I also have a family and friends and a business to run. Not easy to take care of any of those things if I'm on level with a rutabega hooked up to tubes.
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                • #68
                  Oh crap! I hate this dicussions.

                  Some people, like me, not only do not wear a helmet, but enjoy a cocktail and, sin of all sins, a cigarette too. So sue me.
                  If you don't like it's ok, but I would appreciate you (and by "you" I address the whole helmet nazi mob) not lecturing me.

                  Someone said "I won't ride with anyone not wearing a helmet". Great! Cuz I tell you what, with that sanctimonious attitude I don't think I'd ride with you anyway.

                  And there I was thinking I was in the land of the free....

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                  • #69
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Why do helmet nazis think everybody is as scairt of horses as they are???

                    I use the following example to illustrate a point:

                    Say there is a million dollar prize for walking across a 4" wide plank, 20' long, suspended 100' above the earth with no safety net and no safety harness.

                    Contestant #1 is a overweight, non-athletic middle-age woman who is afraid of heights. She backs out because it's way too dangerous and she's sure she's gonna die if she tries it.

                    Contestant #2 is a circus performer who has worked on the highwire since she was a child. She laughs, hops out on the plank, does a few flips and handstands on the way to the far side and thinks "Dang, this is the easiest money I ever made".

                    The plank is the same for both. The "splat" at the bottom will be the same for either, should they fall. But, based on their life experience, the prospect of walking across that plank scares one person shitless, and is child's play to the other. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                    I wouldn't consider myself a helmet nazis--but I ride with a helmet. And MOST people do not consider me scared (actually the opposite) or as you described above. I've been riding since I was 6--worked for and ridden with some of the best in world. I compete in eventing but I've also chased cows and a part of me would love to get on a bull given the chance. I don't care what you do but don't make generalizations about others. I've ridden and ride HOT young TBs. Now I don't ride the fruit loops as often as I use too (I can afford better now) but my friend who rides broncs/bulls wants desperately to get on my three year old--not a chance since I'm trying to undo that buck! When you are riding athletic young horses--they can do unpredictable things and can be quite adapt at bucking, rearing and spining. Do what you want with your own head but don't put down someone who wants to take an ounce of protection. And no, just because you wear a helmet doesn't guarantee that you will not get hurt. I've seen people die with one on but it has prevented me from a hospital stay more than once.

                    As to the original post--yes I think your friend is taking an unnecessary risk getting on a two year old without a helmet. But let her make up her own mind--if you've said something once, it doesn't need to be said again. Just bite your lip and let it go--or mention it to her mother and let her badger her.
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                    • #70
                      to the OP, not your business if the trainer rides with a helmet or not. I had a VERY talented young(over 18 ..just) rider break a 2 yrold for me this year and put a couple of monthes on another. She never rode with a helmet, heck most of the time she never had shoes or a saddle. Those horses are VERY well broke, she did a great job. You can't make someone of legal age put a helmet on.
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                      • #71
                        I'm not scared of horses. I took physics. I took biology.

                        In physics we learned what happens to mass traveling at a high velocity. In biology we learned about natural selection.
                        (In physical therapy, I learned how to use my arm again...and that was my arm. But I digress.)

                        Since I'm a biological organism, I'm mortal.
                        Since I am about to turn 50, going deaf, legally blind without glasses, and have an auto immune disease, frankly, my reflexes and balance are not what they were in my twenties. It would be foolish of me to not acknowlege this.

                        Since both my fricking stump broke horses are 16H tall, I can swear to you I also end up ducking more often than people on normal sized ones. Just vaulting off can be an impressive impact if you are on the downhill side on landing.

                        I also find it nearly impossible to not wince when I see someone bareheaded, especially on a green horse, as one of mine is right now, but to proclaim "Hey y'all look really brilliant without that helmet!" is beyond my capabilities.

                        Just consider this my spiritual, socialistic side at war with the Intelligent Designers again.

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                        • #72
                          If she is an adult, all you can do is express your concern in a non-confrontational way. The rest is up to her.

                          Or have her go on the Equichat site and see the poor woman who was paralyzed from the chest down after falling off her horse without a helmet.

                          It is not only yourself that you are hurting, but think of the burden on YOUR FAMILY if you were to get seriously hurt. I could never put my husband, mother etc. through that. Its selfish.

                          I wear mine no matter what. And I ride Western. Just my opinion.
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                          • #73
                            i do wear a helmet everytime i ride...probably will continue to do so, though i am jealous of people that don't wear them. Looks so much nicer, but whatever. i really don't care if people wear them or not. my dad won't wear a seatbelt. i mention it to him everytime we drive since i was 12 i'm 29 now. he looked at the risks and made his choice. he eats fried food, doesn't exercise, drinks too much, has high blood pressure and heart disease runs in the family. what can you do? eh...figure he's doing what the hell he wants, so that's the way it is. can't strap him to a chair and force skinless chicken breasts and salad down his throat.

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                            • #74
                              I don't wear a helmet. I know better, but I am from one of those disaplines that no one wears a helmet for.
                              Plus, it might or might not save your life.
                              Most likely the people you are speaking of that are in nursing homes not able to breath or feed themselves, fractured part of their cervical spine, not the skull. A helmet won't do crap for that.

                              How many of you wear or have your partner wear a condom? Now that's dangerous business there.

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                              • #75
                                one would probably be better served wearing a helmet in a car come to think of it...

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                                • #76
                                  I guess I just don't understand why people don't want to minimize the risks that they can easily minimize??? There are so many that we have no control over. I'd be dead now if I had had just had a cowboy hat on last October. And yes, lung cancer and heart disease and other preventable diseases do drive health care costs up, for everyone. And yes, it does piss me off that my insurance rates reflect costs of subsidizing the morbidly fat smoker who drives without a seatbelt and rides without a helmet. Theses choices actually affect a lot of people.

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                                  • #77
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fergie:
                                    I guess I just don't understand why people don't want to minimize the risks that they can easily minimize??? There are so many that we have no control over. I'd be dead now if I had had just had a cowboy hat on last October. And yes, lung cancer and heart disease and other preventable diseases do drive health care costs up, for everyone. And yes, it does piss me off that my insurance rates reflect costs of subsidizing the morbidly fat smoker who drives without a seatbelt and rides without a helmet. Theses choices actually affect a lot of people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Just drop your insurance and you won't have to concern yourself with what the others do or don't do.

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                                    • #78
                                      I am still trying to figure out what "scairt" is.

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                                      • #79
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jacksmom:
                                        the problem with folks that don't wear helmets, seatbelts, or chose to smoke, is that it does impact me - it impacts everyone, with higher insurance premiums.

                                        in this life there are plenty of risks that will come our way that we won't be given a choice on. how you chose to handle those things will define the person that you are.

                                        when someone choses to not wear a helmet, seatbelt, or smoke, they are making a VERY selfish choice. you can call it a 'personal decision' or an issue of 'personal freedom', but i'm also free to think anyone who rides without a helmet is an idiot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        What's more, death isn't necessarily the alternative. A fall without a helmet could also produce serious brain trauma that might leave you totally dependent on your loved ones...

                                        I should add, I don't tell other people what to do about a helmet AT ALL unless they're riding on my property or my horses (or in a lesson with me). I don't purport at all to be perfect, but I personally think it's foolish to ride without a helmet. And don't think for a damn second I'm afraid of my horses. Respect for the sport and the dangers therein, yet. Fear of my horses? Goodness no.


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                                        • #80
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phaxxton:

                                          What's more, death isn't necessarily the alternative. A fall without a helmet could also produce serious brain trauma that might leave you totally dependent on your loved ones...

                                          </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          That's exactly my issue.

                                          If you were the only person impacted by the decision, I would wholeheartedly support a right to choose. In this case, I think your family and friends should make the decision for you. They're the ones who will be impacted by your death or injury.

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