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  • #81
    Wow FirelizardFarm!
    Why can't I find something like that. I think I am having a hard time finding a horse because I am doing the initial search on my own?

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    • #82
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blinky:

      Have been told that to try a horse my trainer must be with me. Hello-I'm 33!

      <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Thats because there is another side to this trainer business...
      either the student cannot make a choice without trainers blessing (hand holding) or if trainer does not make it clear they get a cut then they will not give the nod to the horse. Over and over I have seen this. My favorite story was a TB mare I had (never raced) with excellent bloodlines. I told the guy (who was an eventor) that should wouldnt make the time in the upper levels cause she was just too slow but super safe safe safe. He was still persueing it till the trainer looked at one picture and said her pasterns were too long. Got someone else out (another eventor) who vetted her and I asked the vet about the trainers comment (I also told the other person about the comment) and he said "HUH? her pasterns are perfect for her frame" So it takes all kinds. Sold the horse right then after the vet left.

      ~Where nice horses arent the fad...they happen all the time!~
      www.carosello.homestead.com
      ~Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away...

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      • #83
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carosello:
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blinky:

        Have been told that to try a horse my trainer must be with me. Hello-I'm 33!

        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Thats because there is another side to this trainer business...
        either the student cannot make a choice without trainers blessing (hand holding) or if trainer does not make it clear they get a cut then they will not give the nod to the horse. Over and over I have seen this. My favorite story was a TB mare I had (never raced) with excellent bloodlines. I told the guy (who was an eventor) that she wouldnt make the time in the upper levels cause she was just too slow but super safe safe safe. He was still persueing it till the trainer looked at one picture and said her pasterns were too long. Got someone else out (another eventor) who vetted her and I asked the vet about the trainers comment (I also told the other person about the comment) and he said "HUH? her pasterns are perfect for her frame" So it takes all kinds. Sold the horse right then after the vet left.

        ~Where nice horses arent the fad...they happen all the time!~
        http://www.carosello.homestead.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        ~Where nice horses arent the fad...they happen all the time!~
        www.carosello.homestead.com
        ~Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away...

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        • #84
          We had the buyer from hell last fall. We've dealt with tons of purchasers but this one was by far, the worst.

          My mom (who is the trainer at the barn) was running late so she called and asked me to show these horses to a buyer. So this woman arrives and the first thing she says to me is can we put our dog away b/c she wants to let hers out. I thought it was rude but did it anyway. She looks at horse #1 in the crossties (a boarder's horse) and asks us what is on his coat. I told her his owner sprays him with this citronella stuff to make him shiny and she says "Well I don't like that at all, don't do that to the other one". Again, rude, but the customer's always right

          So we take the horse out and he decides to be a total puke that day (murphy's law of course) so she proceeds to give me a dressage lesson (the horse was marketed as a hunter/jumper) in which I just bit my tongue.

          I was going to put him away and she says she'd like to get on him. I was a little skeptical b/c he was being quite bad and I didn't know her level of riding. But the lady insisted so I hopped off and was going to give her a leg up. Than she tells me that she can't get a leg up b/c she recently broke her leg and has little feeling in it or something like that...I was too stunned to really listen. Why, if you have no feeling in one of your legs, are you looking at two young TB's?! Thankfully my mom arrived at this time. She told the lady that she didn't think it was a good idea but the lady insisted that she rode all of the time and that she just needed to have something to get up on to mount. So, we lead the horse over to the mounting block where she literally, crawls onto his back.

          She only went around twice at the walk and attempted a trot and my mom told her to get off. She had poor balance and bad hand position. So than she says she wants to look at the other one. I bring the horse out and the first thing she says is "Oh, that horse has crooked back legs, have you had a vet look at him? I can't believe he's sound! Do you see that?" And she goes on and on and the horse may have been a little incorrect but he certainly was by no means in danger of being unsound from the conformation flaw. He just flicked his right hind out a bit at the trot!

          We said "Well, we'll just put him away than". And what do you know, she wanted to get on him too...even with his crooked legs!! She rode him for at least 45 minutes and than gets off, hands me the reins, and says that it's too bad that this one didn't have the conformation of the other one. She told us she'd bring her coach back as she liked them both but would like to have his opinion. She never did come back or call...which was actually a blessing

          That was by far the rudest person who had ever come to look at our farm. Some people!!

          Sorry for the rant
          \"Don\'t go throwing effort after foolishness\" >>>Spur, Man From Snowy River

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          • #85
            This thread is actually giving me an idea
            And y'all are going to hate me....

            Since I am utterly horse- and moneyless, I am just going to call on every horse4sale add in the vicinity and ask to have the horse shown to me, then get on (like in Czar's case) and then go not to be seen or heard of again....

            Do folks actually just view horses to get a *Free* ride, no lesson fee's no leases or boarding cost?

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            • #86
              I've had some trips that were eye opening and jaw dropping. I personally don't mind taking a client out and having to groom/tack a horse..afterall if we bring it home we will have to do it. I like to let my pony kids do it all themselves...apparently to many sellers dismay. I had one seller question my request to use our own vet for the vetting. I do a lot of my shopping and selling online...I love email, it weeds it out both ways. I do find that a lot of kids that are shopping do know what they want, what their budget is and what their trainer likes so I don't count them out right off the bat just because they are emailing(not even if they email in swirly pink lettering lol). I do find it easier to send pictures via email to see if someone likes the look of a pony before sending a video out...much less time and money consuming. I do however wish some buyers would have the courtesy to drop a note of some sort to let me know they at least got the video(I don't ask for any back, I just ask that they be passed onto others shopping). I am however irritated at some sellers who don't know how old things are, how big they are(sticks are not that expensive) or what they have done but have no problem asking $20k or $30k for it and then look at me like I'm nuts when I tell them I need to know some background. Thankfully, I only sell ponies so most of what I have is pretty cut and dry size-wise and I have lots of info on everything and good relationships with my sellers. It always shocks me a bit when people come to look at ponies and tell me their horror stories and then thank me for being honest about what the ponies are, etc.

              My ponies don't listen when I yell at them...why the heck would I bother whispering?
              Some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue

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              • #87
                headsup- please check your private topics
                www.stonoferrystables.com

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                • #88
                  I had one happen here this last weekend.
                  Guy calls and wants to see two of my horses. Well one is here and one is at trainer's.

                  "Can you leave your weekend open for me, oh and Friday, too. I'll look at the horse @ trainer's on Friday. Send me directions to all places".

                  I do this and contact trainer, set up "open" appt. Yell at SO to stay off phone, my buyer will be calling.

                  And wait, and wait, hmmm the weekend is over. I guess he's not coming?
                  Velvet

                  Sporthorses at reasonable prices
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                  • #89
                    What about seller’s who don’t bother to tell you about a horse’s “little quirks” such as being a dirty stopper who will then spin out, gallop off at top speed, buck until you come off and then kick out at your head as you fall off. I had driven 6 hours to Virginia to try this “perfect,” “auto everything” 2’6” horse whose owner wanted him to have a loving and caring owner who wasn’t going to pound and show him to death. “Anyone could ride him.” The price would be right for the right buyer. After recuperating from a dislocated jaw and oral surgery to reattach my lower jaw tissue to the bone and months of physical therapy to treat my neck spasms, I have become much more skeptical. Later I found out he was sent down to Virginia because he had a reputation for this behavior in his home region. He had started stopping in the Working hunters, then started stopping in the A/O’s, and then started stopping in the Adult Amateurs. (He looked, felt and was represented as sound.) Please, if the horse is only suitable for strong, experienced riders - tell me. If I am honest with you and tell you I am a timid, intermediate-level rider, I won’t feel hurt if you tell me he’s not right for me. Saves us both time and you from liability.

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                    • #90
                      nyc rider,
                      Did the owner jump him first for you to watch? Was he OK for him/her?

                      Just curious.

                      SOunds like a horrible experience.

                      Janet
                      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain
                      Janet

                      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                      • #91
                        Hey Janet! I never met the owner. The horse had been sent from the Northeast to a big judge in Culpeper and his son, a tall guy who breaks babies and is a very nice rider, jumped him first. He was fine with him. I’m almost 10” shorter and not good at telling my horse who is boss. Generally they are.  (I know. I know. I’m working on it.) We were ok on the flat and jumping for the first 15 minutes. I really liked him. I was already envisioning home with me. By now the horse had been in the ring for 40 minutes or so. My trainer asked me to trot into a mini course set at 2’. We had jumped all of the elements individually already. He slammed on the brakes at the second fence. I fell off. I was sure it was my fault and I apologized to everyone. Not enough leg? He was startled? Regardless, I was sure it was my doing. We started again. At the 4th fence he demonstrated his “little quirk.” I was so stupid. I was scared I had done something to hurt him. All of this had been taped. I’ve watched it a few times since. This was clearly not the first time this horse had done this. Ears pricked and forward right to the base, the horse dropped his shoulder and cut out hard. It has been a tough road back.

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                        • #92
                          Yeah, I agree, sounds like a "dirty trick" on the part of the seller/agent as well as the horse. If the horse needs an "in charge" rider they should say so up front. Quite apart from not selling him to you, it only makes the horse WORSE to get away with it.

                          Janet
                          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain
                          Janet

                          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                          • #93
                            If I look at another "third level" horse that can't leg yield, I will throw up.

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                            • #94
                              See that is what scares me about horse shopping. This is really my first time-all my other horses sort of landed in my lap.

                              BOSSMARE_ I sent you a PT

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                              • #95
                                It's funny; I'll lay low for a while and then I will see what I think is THE horse and I will get back into horse-shopping mode. Something always happens and then I go back into my cave (and thank God for the horses I do have) for another few months . . . . I think I'm going to give up again on my eventer.

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                                • #96
                                  For me, it is arriving 5 minutes early for an appointment, only to be left to wait for an hour while the seller chats with a walk-in custoner who wants to buy a more expensive horse than what I'm looking at, only to then be told, "The horse is out there, go get him yourself. Tack room's over there, get whatever you want."

                                  Gee, I have a choice of all kinds of saddles in poor repair and a bunch of bits of varying sizes and shapes. What does he go in? Good question that will remain unanswered because the seller walk away to do whatever.

                                  "Is there anyone who can ride him first?"
                                  "No, we're all busy right now."

                                  Yeah, right.
                                  ~*~Tally Hoooooooo!~*~

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                                  • #97
                                    And today, I finally get the royalty treatment. Clean, beautifully presented horse brought out punctually (and not to mention well trained!). Horse was exactly as described. Made me want to get out my checkbook right then and there. There is something to be said for professionalism.

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                                    • #98
                                      Had a client shopping online once. She was looking for a trail horse that could do a little jumping.

                                      I'm really glad she decided to get my opinion before she purchased, because this lady will fall in love with anything with a pretty face. I asked her to get video. What I saw was a well groomed horse doing the "showmanship" stuff ad nauseum. Then the person gets on his back and proceeds to jog 10 steps, halt, turn on the haunches, trot/jog 10 steps, halt, turn...

                                      The client is really excited about this horse, and I convey my concerns - looks a little off on the right fore, stabs the ground behind, never jogged a turn... So I say, see if you can get him on trial, because I need to see him in person.

                                      Horse gets off trailer, and I turn him out in the indoor. I had to go in with a lunge whip to make him trot. I didn't say anything, but asked the driver what he knew about the horse, and he replied he'd just shipped him a few times. I say, well, he kinda looks off on his right front,,, but he may just be a little stiff from the trailer ride.

                                      So excited client asks what to do. I say, tack him up and go play. I was trying to give her some space to find a comfort zone with this animal without making her more nervous/excited than she already was. I went into my office and observed from there for awhile (5mins), then grabbed the camera. I came out and started videoing - she asks why - I say: "you signed a waiver that the horse would be returned in the same condition it came, right?"

                                      "Now make him TROT and circle at the end" horse shortens drastically for the turn.

                                      "OK, change direction and do the same" horse almost falls down.

                                      Then we discuss things. I could tell she was about to cry. But this horse was a top HP horse in MI -- "Well, how long ago?"

                                      But he's so cute, and well mannered, and well trained -- "Yes, he's a very well broke, broken horse". .

                                      Didn't even get into the conformational flaws - small feet, spavins, swelling in one hock, pidgeon toed, club foot, etc. at that point.

                                      She was crushed, I say: well you have him for the weekend, lets see how he is tomorrow. Then we open up his goodie bag of supps - some of which are in unmarked tupperware said to be "vitamins", and then there was the Mg/B1... I explained what that was normally used for and she went ballistic - I calmed her down saying that if the owner didn't know he was lame she probably didn't know what she was feeding him either .

                                      Client calls the owner who apparently had no idea the horse was lame (come on, it was off in the video!), he must have done something in the pasture before he came..... And the supps were what the previous owner before her had told her to feed him.

                                      Well, the next day, the horse could barely walk out of it's stall - I didn't want this woman to think I was biased since she found the horse, so I had another knowledgeable client explain the conformational faults.

                                      Needless to say, she went and looked at a few more with a little more educated perspective, and after seeing the lies, threw in the gauntlet and let me find her a horse.

                                      boy that was long, and I left out some of the sordid details!

                                      Proud member of the Sunnieflax Clique, IDAC Clique
                                      "Poster formerly known as SQW"
                                      I gotta do-over and am doin it my way!!!

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                                      • #99
                                        Just recently, an email from someone using language like this "plez, 4, lower$". Notice the last part? If you are interested in finding more information, talk to me in plain english and don't ask me to lower the price.

                                        Come see the horse, ride him then put an offer in on him if you are still interested.

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                                        • Cripes!!!



                                          Looks like I am DEFINITELY putting off the horse search. I am already struggling to find an experienced person to hold my hand, and now I think I need TWO experienced people- to carry and protect me!!
                                          In the swiftness of my darkness I whisper to thunder, I am patient as stone, as wild as lightening, the very symbol of surging potency and the power of movement for I am THE SPIRIT OF THE HORSE

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