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  • #41
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by elizabeth:Hey, Duffy, none of the adults who work 9-5 have wanted to come out to ride on a Monday holiday?
    When I was at your barn, the Monday rule wasn't a problem (given my primo non-schedule work schedule), but I'm just thinking that for the typical working adult, the Monday holidays would be PERFECT days to ride, if the working adult did not show that weekend. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    At the barn I boarded at for 11 years - we were always closed on Mondays - and special accomodations were made for Monday holidays (i.e. Memorial Day, 4th of July, whatever) so that we could all ride - AND have a BBQ, barn party, whatever. I'm sure if the Mondays closed rule was in affect special "exceptions" could be made on the rare occassion a holiday falls on that day.

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    • #42
      Jsalem Jsalem Jsalem---methinks you are in need of:

      1. a vacation, or
      2. a spa day, or
      3. a Rita, or

      many or all of the above. Closing midday so horses can nap? If you want to close midday at least don't use THAT excuse say you are closing because spoiled little teens don't appreciate the nice facility where they ride...and if they don't start appreciating it, then it won't be open for them to ride.

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      • #43
        Hi JSalem,

        I've boarded for over 20 years and the only time there was a situation like you describe, I was the only "kid" in an "adult" barn. Our Barn Manager ran a contest for "Cleanest Tack", "Dirtiest Horse", etc. I won "Dirtiest Tack" and it "scarred" me for life. Since then, my tack is always clean. The contest might work well with your lesson/training program. Also, the Pony Club manual is a great source of the "clean, neat and tidy" mantra. So, is "Hunter Seat Equitation".

        Very glad to hear you're not doing the "barn hours" thing. I'm a working adult and live an hour from work (affordable housing) and an hour from the barn (no land left closer). Often, my riding choices are 6AM or getting on at 8PM. Trust me, neither is my choice.

        Good luck reforming your "barn rats"!

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        • #44
          This just reinforces my feeling that I have the best of both worlds---a boarding barn with no kids! My 6 boarders are women who have either their own businesses or jobs with crazy hours(one is a morning drive DJ) and they all ride in the morning or early afternoon. We are open at 6 a.m. and done for the day by 4:30. Weekend days were almost always finished by noon. Have been through all the scenarios described and this is by far the greatest

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          • #45
            I'm lucky to board at a barn with no real barn hours (OK...the gate gets locked at around 10:00 pm and unlocked at 6:00 am...but no one is coming out then. If we wanted to check on our horses, we can just go around the gate, but it has only happened rarely, and no one was riding then).
            We only have 1 kid (16 yr old) at the barn, and the rest are adults, so everyone pretty much cleans up after themselves.
            The trainer rides in the am and most of us ride either am or evening.
            I guess we are really lucky!

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            • #46
              Having been the BM at more than one barn, I am still amazed that people think the barn is "theirs 'cuz they paid for it." Uh, no, *I* paid for it, you get a bill for specific services. The owner/manager/trainer and/or groom at the barn is/are not your personal slave that should be available to you 24/7/356. How would you like it if clients treated you like that? Sheesh.

              The number one thing I have learned from the many examples I have witnessed is that YOU set the tone. (sorry for ripping off ER) One of my freinds has a sign on his tack room door that reads "If you don't like the way this barn is kept, help yourself to a broom." And his customers DO help themselves! His barn is always very clean and he doesn't have hot and cold running grooms, either.

              You can have your barn closed in the middle of the day, trust me. One farm I managed, that was part of the system. During the school year, weekday lessons were generally in the afternoon/evening. Weekend lessons were all day, 9ish to 4ish. When the kids were out of school, the lessons switched to AM and NO BODY rode after lunch until the horses had dinner around 4 or so. If you couldn't ride in the AM, you waited until the evening. WE were closed EACH AND EVERY MONDAY Period, end of discussion. We never lost a boarder or a lesson kid over the schedule and had a waiting list nearly all the time.

              If the kids are running wild, put them to work. I did. They sure do at Briarwood! When I was a kid, I couldn't just "hang out" with out "helping out" too. You are not a baby sitter, don't act like one. I don't care if kids hang around, but they better be doing something useful.

              For all you folks that ride thier horses between 1 and 3 pm in the summer, you should be ashamed. It's too hot!! At the afore mentioned barn, I would stucture my schedule to avoid the heat of the day, or at the very least only teach the most basic walk-trot kids, and in the indoor out of the sun.

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              • #47
                Yeep! I'd be gone before you can say "Here is my 30 days notice!"

                Quiet time for the horses? Wasn't that something done in Kindergarten? Mine gets to sleep all night, she doesn't need a nap during the day. As much as I love my pony, I think people really start to over analyze and micro manage ever little aspect of their lives.
                They are horses!

                Also, by the time I finish cleaning up the house in the morning and getting some stuff done, I arrive at the barn between 11:00 AM-12:00 noon. Ride, then go home to get supper going.

                I understand having some type of closing hours, but to close in the middle of the day? No way.

                It is your barn but you might have some pretty miffed off owners.
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                • #48
                  Depending on how zoning rules work out, and how kind neighbors are, some places might be required to have rules.

                  I think 6am-9pm are were in the zoning regs for Loudoun County.

                  I simply made it "all external lights must be off between those hours".

                  To be honest, it is my home, and I don't really want someone out there riding right now, almost 11pm, I have to get up and go to work in the am.

                  So, if someone wanted to leave, that would be ok. If you want 24/7 access always, buy your own farm. Simple as that.

                  If I wanted to be out there riding, right now (no lights), no problemo. If I wanted to be out there riding, and had invited a boarder to join me, no problemo. If I'm in bed, my neighbors are in bed and outside lights are on, that is a problem.

                  Mel

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                  • #49
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Duffy:
                    Our barn is closed on Mondays. It's been like that since my trainers first starting leasing their own place. It's down time for all, (people and horses) after the showing. It's the day that my trainers do the barn work. They like a day of peace with just the horses. It's never been a problem that I'm aware of. There are 6 other days in the week to ride. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    But you have to remember we are no longer a Monday-Friday 9-5 working society. I used to work Tues-Sat. MY weekend was Sunday and Monday.
                    People have different work schedules nowadays.
                    Again, its your barn. But I would not board were I could not visit my pony 7 days a week.
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                    • #50
                      I'm 15. I pick up after myself, clean tack after every ride, my horse and all of her stuff are always kept clean, and yet Someone just said thier ideal barn contains no kids. Rotten apples spoil the whole bunch. My feeling, J, is that you have a couple rotten apples. I also don't agree with the "put them to work" idea. If your adult boarders were doing that, would you make them do chores unrelated to thier offense? Let the punishment fit the crime. The kids are paying customers (well, thier parents pay for them, but they're still paid for) Don't treat them like babies. If you had an adult making a mess, leaving crap all over the lounge, etc., you would probably give them a couple of notifications that it is unacceptable, and that should the behavior continue, they may continue at a different facility. Enforce it. I bet that after one of them is asked to leave, the others will shape up quickly.
                      -Grace

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                      • #51
                        I'm much too tired to read all the replies to this thread, but I thought I'd give my two cents. I have a crazy schedule. Full time college student with two jobs boarding 40 minutes from my apartment-- sometimes I have day classes sometimes night classes.... all over the place. But I still manage to ride at a reasonable time. It is a place of business. You can and should have hours. My barn does not have hours. However, it is pretty much 7am to 10pm. Nobody comes out otherwise, unless they are going to or coming home from a show. I think it's just out of respect, especially if an owner or barn manager lives on the premisis. Closing during the day might be interesting. You could close your riding areas for a couple of hours during the week, but not the weekends. I dunno. It's a tough call, but it's all yours to make. Good luck.

                        ETA: I have been boarding since I was 14 years old. I have always always always cleaned up after myself and behaved responsibly around the farm. It should also be understood that breaking the rules will have consequences.

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                        • #52
                          Assign one of the students to be the manager's "assistant" for each day. Rotate.

                          I saw an article not too long ago about a barn that solved it's problem by rewarding the students with "fake" money/dollars. Then at the end of the month? they could turn in their dollars for special, fun things. They had some great ideas. Maybe it was in Stable Management?

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                          • #53
                            I don't see why the kids should get rewarded for doing something they should be doing anyway.

                            I'd make it very clear to the parents that you aren't running a child minding service, and put them all to work (in fact, can you lend me a couple? I've got some paddocks that need picking...)

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                            • #54
                              I was one of those 'barn rats' when younger... the difference, I suppose, being that I always worked hard and cleaned up after myself. 9 years later I'm at the same barn with no real 'barn hours' and great people who still work hard and keep clean... I guess I'm lucky.

                              We always had a general sort of unspoken rule that as long as you were taking care of the work that needed done, it was okay to hang out afterward. But nobody was just sitting around when things were needing swept or groomed or cleaned or mucked. Perhaps you just need to make it clear that the barn is for horse-related activities.... not pizza parties.
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                                #55
                                Here's how the afternoon went yesterday:

                                3:30 barn was spotless.

                                4:30 Group- sent kids back into the barn before we started their lesson. They had swept up, but had left their halters lying on the ground. They took the time to make sure the "lesson" kids (non-owners) had cleaned up their areas.

                                5:30 Group- Group wasn't ready, so I walked thru the barn. A disaster. Every available crosstie was full. Every horse on the hall had hoof pickings on the ground, several halters on the ground. By this time there were several empty drink bottles in the lounge and scattered around.

                                6:30 Finished, walked through the barn. One washrack had a pile of poop in it. I loudly asked who had been in there. One kid, dressed back in her school clothes and ready to go home was targeted and acted completely surprised, "Oh, I must not have noticed."

                                So there you go, anatomy of a messy barn. I will continue with my quest.

                                I agree with those of you in support of hours. It is a business. Those who demand 24/7 access to their "kids" need to have their own barn. I'm shocked at the number of folks who expect to be able to show up before dawn or after dark. What they don't understand is that whenever a client is at the barn, there is the expectation of service. A client has every right to expect a clean hall, dragged arena, stocked bathroom, barn manager access for questions, concerns, comments. I want to do a good job, but how can I be "on staff" 14 or more hours per day? That's just not reasonable. It's not very nice to call your barn manager at 9:30 at night to ask her if she's seen your girth when she's been up working since 6:00. Your barn manager dosen't need to worry that your horse was only out for 2 hours today because the farrier was there and is the spooky type anyway- what if you fall off when no one's there? See, a barn manager's job isn't done until all the horses are tucked in bed with hay and water and the lights are off. After hours is also the time that boarders tend to look around, find fault and complain amongst themselves. I'm very flexible, so if someone had a specific scheduling problem, I could work with it, but I just don't see the need for people to drop in at odd hours and expect a professinal, clean, organized environment.

                                Closing a few hours for lunch during the week in the summer is not a hardship for MY clientele. No One rides during that time. And I still think the horses need a quiet time. One thing that people comment on about my barn is that it seems like such a happy, content place. This summer during the week was too chaotic. Next summer I will be moving all my lessons to AM and will be at least encouraging (if not requiring) minors to be picked up by 12:30 so the hall will be clear and staff can bring horses in, use the washracks if necessary, clean the hall and groom areas. Horses can eat their hay and chill until the afternoon "session"- and that session will start with a clean, professinal barn. I can go to lunch, do paperwork, give barn tours to prospective clients, whatever- in peace.

                                I don't like the Monday closed idea. I've been in barns with that and clients adapted, but it means I can only teach Tue-Thur when I show. That's what I've learned though- clients adapt to whatever routine you set out as long as it's clear, especially in a training barn where the schedule is based around lessons and shows.

                                Again, thanks for all the input. It's so interesting to hear all these points of view.
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                                • #56
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pat:
                                  For all you folks that ride thier horses between 1 and 3 pm in the summer, you should be ashamed. It's too hot!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Call me crazy - but seeing as horse shows do not "intermission" from 1 to 3 p.m. I'd rather my horse be acclimated to working during these temperatures than throwing them in the show ring once or twice a month when they aren't used to working in those conditions...

                                  Besides - here in Texas - 1 to 3 p.m. isn't the hottest part of the day usually.

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                                  • #57
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pat:

                                    For all you folks that ride thier horses between 1 and 3 pm in the summer, you should be ashamed. It's too hot!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Hmm. That depends where you are, of course! And how long your summer lasts. We had our summer last Sunday! (And I am now very sunburnt because I can't remember the last time I needed to consider sun block!!)

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                                    • #58
                                      JSalem --

                                      We board at a barn with ALOT of kids (my 16 year old being one of them). I believe that they can be trained to be neat most of the time -- but never all of the time. Their brains just aren't wired that way yet. You are fighting a losing battle, so you need to take that into account.

                                      I think your idea of closing the barn in the summer during the noon-3 hours is fine. I live in Houston and no one in their right mind would ride during that time. If nothing else, it would be very unfair to the horse. You can also put in the rules that exceptions will be considered on a case by case basis in advance. that can protect the adult rider for whom you might want to make an exception.

                                      However, you will still have the late pm/early evening rush and succession of lessons. And there will always be kids leaving drinks, etc. around.

                                      I guess my thoughts are that you should enforce the important things, and not sweat the small ones. No one should leave drinks or pizza around. They should clean up their poop in the wash racks. But if someone's halter is on the ground at the edge of the aisle (out of the way, but not neatly hung up) after they have tacked up, who cares? The halter will have to be put on again after the rider gets off. Its not a big deal. If someone leaves their bridle hanging up in the aisle rather than being neatly put away in the locker, they are risking theft, but its not a safety problem. I don't object to the concept of you cleaning it and putting it away (and charging a fee for that), but I think there are probably more annoying problems that should be a higher priority.

                                      If you are too anal on neatness, you will only make yourself miserable.

                                      One idea(which may or may not work):

                                      Solicit the older kids to be your allies on a rotating basis: give them an incentive (e.g. a free private lesson) for being a kind of hall monitor for a month. I think this might help even if these older kids are otherwise prime violators! For example, "Jane" can be in charge of reminding the riders of various things during August, "Mary" during September, etc. Schools have used this effectively for years. That way, you don't always have to be the bad guy.

                                      When there are lessons in quick succession such as at your barn (and mine), part of the problem is that there are never enough cross-ties and wash racks. So the kids feel alot of pressure to tack up and get out of their quickly. That contributes to their carelessness. Frankly, I would be upset if a child didn't move their horse (while I was waiting for the cross-ties) to sweep up their hoof picking detritis. It seems to me that needs to be done only after the whole lesson rush is over.

                                      Sorry for the long post, and I wish you well.

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                                      • #59
                                        I'm with Jo on all counts.

                                        Back on the Monday thang. We've never lost a boarder to my knowledge because of this rule. Obviously, there are exceptions. If a horse needs to be ridden for a vet or tried for sale, etc. If I'm treating my horse for something, I just call ahead to let them know when I'll be out to do it. But, there are no lessons and there is no routine riding on Mondays. Sometimes I will have been out of town over the weekend and really want to ride on Monday. But, I've never asked for the rules to be changed for me under those circumstances.

                                        I've been at barns where there are no "closed" days. I've never ridden more often at those barns.

                                        My trainers are very flexible on the other 6 days of the week and I'm grateful for that. They do ask that you turn out the indoor ring and barn lights when you leave and obviously clean up after yourself. No one wants to walk into a messy barn in the morning and I don't think it's fair for the staff to have to go turn out the lights after a boarder has left.
                                        \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                                        • #60
                                          Jsalem, I feel your pain. Being a BO that's had a large child/junior clientele at times, it's hard to avoid.

                                          That said, I think you need to relax a bit. The drinks bottles and pizza boxes lying around? You bet I'd pitch a hissy fit behind that. I'm not their maid, and anyone in my house (which includes the barn) picks up after him/her self. But the other things - hoof pickings, crossties being full, halters on the ground? Not worth stressing over. You will NOT be able to keep the aforementioned from happening during lesson rush or any other high traffic times. Clean ONCE before, and ONCE after, and count yourself lucky that you're busy enough to have this problem. You'll make yourself nuts otherwise. It IS a barn, after all.

                                          Now, as for the hatchlings that insist on breaking the rules when you're not there? Boot 'em. Not right away, but let them know in no uncertain terms that if you even THINK they're jumping without you or riding without appropriate supervision, they'll be cordially invited to hit the road. Doesn't matter if they think it reasonable or not; this is YOUR place and YOUR rules. That's the cool part about being a BO; you get to say what goes. Hard part is sticking to your guns and being willing to lose a few clients over it. It may not happen, but you have to be prepared that it might. And if it does, just call the next person on your waiting list.

                                          JMO.
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