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  • #21
    Jsalem, though your complaints sound valid, I agree with others that cutting the hours will not necessarily solve the problem of messy boarders, rule-breaking teens, etc.

    At my barn (closing time 9:30 p.m.), everyone is expected to follow the rules, and those who don't are dealt with as individuals.

    As for horsey "quiet time," if it's for your own hardworking school horses, that's your call. But cutting off afternoon access to boarders seems severe.

    P.S., my former boarding barn didn't set time rules. One boarder, who took care of her daughter all day and worked the 2nd shift at the auto plant all evening, used to come by after midnight to ride in the indoor arena. Nobody had a problem with that, though hanging out alone in a dark, deserted barn would have freaked me out considerably.

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    • #22
      I was just sitting here thinking I wish you were my mother when I was growing up, because then I really NEVER would have had to clean up my room. You could just work harder to keep it clean for me...

      Now I know a predominantly kid based barn <shudder> is never going to be as neat as a barn full of anal retentive adults, but still, I think there has to be some happy medium. And as a person who really likes to make sure my horses are ridden, bathed, put up and the barn is done for the day by noon on weekends, I can appreciate that there are very few good reason to ride between 12:30 and even 6PM on weekends like the last one...

      But there are still reasons. Occassionally I might have to run errands early in the AM, I may need to pick up people from the airport, I may have service people coming between the infamous 8-12 (meaning they show up at noon ), it may be raining in the morning , it may be raining in the evening. While it isn't my preference to ride at those hours, I am not always able to call up my personal assitant and get her to take care of those pesky details (this is probably owing to the fact my personal ass't is a hallucination I indulge in after a bottle of wine). So I can safely say it wouldn't work for me.

      It sounds like your problem is more related to kids being dropped off for the day at your barn and you are either unable to be their surrogate parent or unwilling to take on the duties. Methinks that is the issue that needs addressing. (I personally fall into the "unwilling" camp, so I mostly avoid the rug rats).
      Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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      • #23
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jsalem:

        Could you folks tell me how to "enforce" the clean up after yourself rule? We have tried and tried and tried. The kids will not sweep up after grooming. They will not hang up the hose, or put up the shampoo, or hose down the mud. They will not. When I catch someone in the act, I always make them accountable. Tack that is left out gets locked in my office and they have to ask for it back. Saddle pads that are left out are laundered and charged to the client. I have alot of kids, so without supervision at all times, they make an unholy mess.

        This summer I taught all morning and went to lunch and to the tack store. My groom had worked all morning and had completely cleaned the lounge before lunch. I walked in at 3:00 to find an empty pizza box on the table with crumbs on the table and floor. I walked into the hall to find out who had left it there. Of course no one wanted to take responsibility. "So and so ordered it" "So and so ate the last piece." I said no problem and took that box and put in inside the tack trunk of the child that had ordered it. I'd had it!

        So you see I have several choices. (1) Accept a messy barn. (2)Work harder myself on cleaning up after these kids and trying to teach them to be neater (3)Hire more help and raise the board to cover it or (4) Try to restrict the amount of time the kids are unsupervised by having barn hours.

        Any ideas? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        You said that your program is a training program. I assume that you're training these kids. Every barn I was ever at, the most important part of that was horsemanship- and that included keeping the barn clean and being responsible for myself.
        If, during the summer- and there were often several of us who stayed at the barn all day, and were most often put to work-, we made a mess, all riding lessons were grounded. We spent our lesson time doing horsemanship stuff. Cleaning tack, cleaning up the barn, ect. If they are old enough to be at the barn by themselves, they're old enough to take care of their own messes.

        Explain to them that if they do not shape up, the rules are going to change. They will not be allowed at the barn unless they are supervised by a parent. If they're going to behave like little kids, you're going to treat them like little kids. If they can't and won't accept that, then you're better off without them in your barn.

        I'd also put them to work. If they're there during the day, all day long, press them into your own personal army. Mess in the halls? Put them on it. Make them apart of the running of the barn- if they are given responsibilities like that, they're more likely to feel some sort of obligation to do it.

        Keeping them off of the horses for a couple of lessons and doing grunty-ground work always did the trick for us (let's just put it this way.. it only had to happen about 3 times..). The threats that they are going to be unable to be there without parental supervision should also shape them up pretty quickly.

        You're a trainer, not a babysitter. While they often seem to go hand in hand in regards to the horseworld, as the babysitter, you then have the right to put down stiff rules and enforce them.

        A big barn meeting with all of those involved might also be a good idea. Those who AREN'T behaving like hoodlums will likely not like the idea of losing their freedom and peer pressure might be enough to shape up the group.

        I hope things change for you, J, and I hope some of my suggestions might work for you!
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        Sarah
        formerly known as Alohamora
        \"Half the failures in life arise from pulling in one\'s horse as he is leaping.\"~ Julius Hare

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        • #24
          How about setting that time aside as being closed to any and all unsupervised minors and alerting parents that you will be charging an hourly baby-sitting fee for all kiddos left behind? I'd set the fee unreasonably high to discourage the few who'd rather pay for "day care" than supervise their spawns.
          "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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          • #25
            Unless these kids are your own flesh and blood, you have a choice to have them on your property or not. If that's the way they behave, I vote for not. You are not their personal slave. Don't act like it. Talk to the parents. Make it clear that they are either supervised in your barn or they are not at your barn. Parents don't like it? OK, the trailer rolls down the road both ways.
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            • #26
              At one place I ride:
              Closed Mondays and I can ride after lessons are over during the week. Tuesdays & Thursdays they finish up around 7:30pm and Wednesdays they finish around 6 pm. If it's during the summer then you can ride during the lessons since the outdoor is huge but during the winter you have to wait for the lessons to be over. Fridays the barn seems to close by 6pm unless there is a horseshow the next day. Saturday & Sunday the barn closes at 6pm. No lesson on Sundays so you can ride whenever or whereaver. I wouldn't be able to board at this barn since (a) I couldn't make the lessons in time and (b) I think the hours are to tight.

              I ride at another barn where it is 24/7/365 which is nice but I don't think everyone could do this. I think it depends on the farm setup and does the farm owner get any privacy.

              My ideal would be closed Mondays to get work and whatever accomplished w/o customers interupting or getting in the way and be off the property by 9pm for those adults who work and don't live close to the barn. Weekends close down a little early (by dinner time?). That's the way it was at a barn I used to ride at and I thought it worked for everyone. They also didn't teach boarders on the weekend so it gave the trainer/BO the weekend off to do horseshows or whatever.

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              • #27
                Most places I've been - kids camping out at the barn all day, making more work for you and your staff constitutes as Day Camp - And if they refuse to clean up,you should talk to the parents and tell them that if it continues, they will be charged for Camp.

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                • #28
                  We have one kid at our barn. Any time she does something stupid (and she's 11, so she has a good excuse sometimes), she's made to either rake the upper part of the field boarders field and pick up the piles and/or clean stalls.

                  I vote put them to work. If you don't know who is at fault, put them ALL to work. Or maybe just put them all to work regardless of who is at fault, so they'll start self-policing.
                  model citizen, zero discipline

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                  • #29
                    Closing in the middle of the day in the summer would not make me a happy boarder. I want to have access to my horse without unreasonable restrictions. Not that I would always be there, but if I am keeping my animal at your farm (a service), I expect to be able to ride, visit, care for etc. my animal during reasonable hours. Generally between 9-7 on weekdays and until 5 on weekends.

                    At my barn most people are done by 7:30. I may be off my horse at 7:30 or 8:00 but on late nights after bathing and grooming, I might not leave to go home until 8:30 or so on the nights where I ride after work.

                    If I didn't have access - I would take my business elsewhere.
                    *Faune D'Helby*

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                    • #30
                      I am open 7 days but do ask that the riders be done by 6 on Sat. and Sun. nights. The other nights they need to out of the barn by 8:30/8:45. I don't have many underage owners (one of my rules) but the ones I do are extremely responsible and can't ride unless there is an adult on the property.
                      I am semi-private as I am not in a rural area and I need to keep my neighbors happy!
                      I am not the barn for everyone because of my rules but my clients love it here and I get referrals all of the time.
                      I do the main barn (8 stalls) and have the indoor ready by 8 a.m. for the boarders etc. If they come any earlier they are kind enough to put up with me as I complete the stalls.
                      The barn with my horses is done once the boarders barn is squared away.

                      I do get a request now and then from someone to go beyond the hours and I have always accomodated them.
                      Tracie Richardson

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                      • #31
                        I agree that as a barn owner, you can set whatever rules you like. But I will add my voice to the other posters who say I would never board anywhere that was closed in the middle of the day.

                        My whole life can't revolve around a barn schedule like that, and for what it costs me to be in a show barn, frankly I think the hours should accommodate *my* needs before the barn help's. I am not talking about being open 24/7, but I am talking about being open during reasonable business hours that allow the average client to get what they are paying for.

                        That being said, I'd suggest that unless you are being paid to provide a daycare service, you stop providing one.

                        Since you have training clients only, inform the parents that the kids are welcome during their assigned ride times and/or when they have horse related things to do (grooming, tack cleaning etc.) Advise them that if you see the kids simply "hanging out," they will be given a horse related chore to do. Alternatively, the parents can come pick them up and take them home, where they can hang out and create whatever messes they like.

                        In the meantime, peer pressure works very well with kids. It doesn't matter which one left the pizza box out. Simply ground ALL riding and horse related activities for all of them and tell them that nothing will resume until the barn is returned to some semblance of cleanliness. After one or two sessions of having to sweep, muck, rake and polish, they will police *each other*.
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                        We move pretty fast for some rabid garden snails.
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                        • #32
                          I have boarded my horse(s) for almost 20 years, and have never been at a barn that had official barn rules. One barn I boarded at was closed on Mondays. I didn't mind at the time, but that would be inconvenient for me now.

                          When I worked, I almost never got out to the barn before 6:00 at night, and usually later. On those later nights, I wasn't out of the barn until 9:00 or 9:30. I can understand having barn hours that say the barn closes at 9:00 or 10:00 at night, so that you can make your last check or do a last feeding, make sure the lights are out, and go to bed. And I can understand if you say those under 16 (or whatever age) can't be there past a certain hour without an adult.

                          But I'd have a very hard time with someplace that closed down in the middle of the day, no matter what the time. When I was working, I'd sometimes run out to the barn at lunch to check on my horse if he was sick or injured, or try to meet the vet there. Now that I'm free during the day, I do frequently ride late in the morning or early in the afternoon and would hate to not be able to do that.

                          As for the *real* problem -- the messy and disrespectful kids. Have a barn meeting with all boarders, and require a parent to be present for each boarder whose parents pay the bills. At the meeting, explain what's going on, and explain that if everybody doesn't start helping to keep the barn clean, you are going to have to hire help, and that's going to raise the board by xx dollars per month per boarder. If you can't get people to a meeting, send a letter home with every kid and make sure you get a parent's signature on it. It might be that you have rude kids and parents who don't care, or it might be that the parents don't realize what's going on. (And I do think there's a "snowball" effect with barn cleanliness -- when I was at a barn that was untidy and not well-kept and nobody picked up after their horse, I really didn't feel motivated to pick up after my horse. Now that I"m at a nice clean barn, I try hard to clean up my messes.) You shouldn't have to babysit these kids and chase after them. That's their parents' job! If you have everyone in full training, it would probably be a big hit to you economically, but don't be afraid to kick out kids who are too much trouble. You can build yourself a nice client base of caring, kind boarders. It's a little hard to do, but if your barn gets a reputation as the kind of place where everyone pulls their weight and takes care of things, you'll eventually have plenty of clients!

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                          • #33
                            The thing with the "Mondays - CLOSED" rule is that Mondays are often *holidays.* So people who work weekdays 9-5 and often have to race to the barn to ride or ride minimally during the week are in a great position to ride on these Monday holidays. Yet they CANNOT, if the barn is closed.

                            Has that ever been an issue for anyone? The best day for many working adults to ride (usually one Monday holiday occurs every . . . couple months, at least) is a "closed" day.

                            (FYI, this is not an issue for me b/c the place where I board is open 24/7/365. . . not that I often make it out there.)

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                              #34
                              Thanks so much everybody! My barn is really clean, but I'm finding myself just worn out keeping it so. One saddle pad left out, one bridle, 2 brushes, one dirty groom rack, one leftover donut, three empty coke bottles- see it's not one person, its lots of folks leaving a little bit of a mess.

                              You guys have given me some really good ideas. All of my clients that I talked to thought the mid-day lunch closing was a good idea and a chance for the staff to finish chores and get everything clean for the afternoon. But I'll see.
                              http://patchworkfarmga.com

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                              • #35
                                Our barn is closed on Mondays. It's been like that since my trainers first starting leasing their own place. It's down time for all, (people and horses) after the showing. It's the day that my trainers do the barn work. They like a day of peace with just the horses. It's never been a problem that I'm aware of. There are 6 other days in the week to ride.
                                \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                                • #36
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Our barn is closed on Mondays. . . . There are 6 other days in the week to ride. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Hey, Duffy, none of the adults who work 9-5 have wanted to come out to ride on a Monday holiday?
                                  When I was at your barn, the Monday rule wasn't a problem (given my primo non-schedule work schedule), but I'm just thinking that for the typical working adult, the Monday holidays would be PERFECT days to ride, if the working adult did not show that weekend.

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                                  • #37
                                    I would be tempted to post signs: "Your mother doesn't work here, pick up after yourself!" --
                                    "I never mind if an adult uses safety stirrups." GM

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                                    • #38
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Duffy:
                                      There are 6 other days in the week to ride. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Theoretically speaking, yes. In practice, however, that's not always the case. Schedules vary.
                                      "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                                        #39
                                        Just rode and had some time to think through your ideas.

                                        (1) I've decided not to spend "my" time cleaning up after the kids or training them to clean up after themselves. I'm going to use their time! I'm going to begin each lesson with an inspection of sorts. I'll hold their horses (and take a little break) while they go back in the barn and tidy up.

                                        (2) I'll deal with tack left out the same way I deal with saddle pads left out. They'll be cleaned by staff and put away- and billed to the client as laundry or tack cleaning.

                                        (3) I've already sent a notice to my students and asked parents to read it concerning safety rules.

                                        (4) The barn hours issue will be tabled until I see if I can whip everybody into shape.
                                        http://patchworkfarmga.com

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                                        • #40
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jsalem:
                                          Just rode and had some time to think through your ideas.

                                          (1) I've decided not to spend "my" time cleaning up after the kids or training them to clean up after themselves. I'm going to use their time! I'm going to begin each lesson with an inspection of sorts. I'll hold their horses (and take a little break) while they go back in the barn and tidy up.

                                          (2) I'll deal with tack left out the same way I deal with saddle pads left out. They'll be cleaned by staff and put away- and billed to the client as laundry or tack cleaning.

                                          (3) I've already sent a notice to my students and asked parents to read it concerning safety rules.

                                          (4) The barn hours issue will be tabled until I see if I can whip everybody into shape. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Those sounds like great ideas. Having their little tushes grounded for a part of each lesson should shape them up quickly. It always did us.

                                          Good luck!
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                                          Sarah
                                          formerly known as Alohamora
                                          \"Half the failures in life arise from pulling in one\'s horse as he is leaping.\"~ Julius Hare

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