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  • OMGiH Cartier. It was the TRAINER that sold the horse that said AFTER THE FACT that the CANTER people knew the horse cribbed. I think the trainer may have a reason to say that whether it is true or not! There is no evidence (other than 3rd hand information) to prove that CANTER knew the horse cribbed! Jeez oh Pete.

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tle:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cartier:
      Talloaks has said that Canter knew the mare cribbed. That should have been disclosed and failing to do so reflects poorly on Canter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      No... talloaks said the sellers said CANTER knew. That's definitely NOT the same thing! Perhaps it is an unscrupulous seller... would you put it by them in that case to lie about what CANTER knew?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      I'm sorry to get all lawfull here, but that is something called hearsay and it is not admisible in court.....
      I, personally, am very carefull of basing opinions on something that someone told me that she/he heard from someone else....(confusing, right?).
      It usually blows in your face, but well, that's me....
      Over what hill? Where? When? I don\'t remember any hill....

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      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
        Those of you who have been “attacking” CANTER, please think long and hard about the disservice you are doing OTTB in the future with your disparaging remarks. Many of these horses would have gone to slaughter already if it wasn’t for the good work of CANTER. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        You quoted me immediately above your comment above. My post was in no way an attack on CANTER. I merely made a constructive suggestion as to how CANTER might help avoid situations like this one, with no added liability to the organization. I believe that doing so could help both the organization and buyers/adopters. There was no attack, real or implied. Perhaps there were other attacks, but please don't lump me in with them.

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        • Cartier- I have bought 2 horses with the help of CANTER- one from quite a distance (NH). It was never my impression that CANTER was anything more than a group of volunteers that took the pics and posted them on the web along with a brief discription. They go by what the trainer says and they tell you that. I would not expect the CANTER folks to know everything about the horse I was looking at. That is why people do VET CHECKS.

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tiramit:
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faraway46:
            Ther's not enough hundreds in the world, Tiramit , but if you are willing to spend a few hundreds to visit him, you can ride him as much as you want! He's a diva and loves the foreign company !!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I may take you up on that!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Any day, any time, girlfriend!!
            PS I'm famous for convincing American tourists to visit Argentina! I'll use any gimmick!
            Over what hill? Where? When? I don\'t remember any hill....

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            • Talloaks - I do sympathize - I have an ottb mare that I can't give away bc she cribs AND is a grouch. I know for a fact that at the sales, one of the conditions of sale is that you can turn a horse back if it is a cribber and not disclosed. Personally, I would think twice about buying a cribber - it REALLY drives me nuts - and is one of the few things about horses that my husband notices and complains about LOUDLY. OK - Viv - I'd still take your guy (I recognize that ring!!) - but it would have to be an exceptional horse - bc I think that it is hard to resell them if they crib. As far as "picking it up" - I did have said mare out with a pony 2yo and noticed her trying to imitate the mare, but quickly gave up on it. I don't know - for the money, I'd be pissed too. If she was 1000 - that would be a different story. I agree that it should be discolsed - but now you have her - try some things and see if it goes away. Good luck - give me a call if you want. Erika

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              • I usually don't leap into these fracases but in response to NMS and particularly about OTTB rescues that also happen to crib. I have had 2 of them, one I purchased after he had been successfully rescued and restarted through the CANTER program and one that I paid much, much, much more than a couple of hundred for (where did the OP come up with that idea, I know of many cribbers purchased for 4 figures and more that have been, and still are, cribbing away, amazing, winning, horses), but I digress a bit.
                Both of my cribbing TB's have been incredible horses, extra special and wouldn't trade them for the world. They have been and will be successful low level eventers. They live out with other horses. No one around them learned to crib. The horse I have now is not made to wear a collar...it makes his front end sore and I don't think the hassle of the collar is worth it. He cribs when he wants to and doesn't when he doesn't.
                Interestingly enough cribbing seems to be one of those polarizing issues in the horse world. I would have missed 2 extremely special horses if I wasn't willing to take a cribber.
                So I add my call to the talloaks to let this mare go for whatever price to someone who will not hate her for cribbing.
                And FWIW, the meat market comment made me cringe also, just couldn't help it. Can't imagine you could even think that, even in anger or frustration, let alone post it on a public forum.
                Best wishes to the pretty black mare.....

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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cartier:

                  I have known Talloaks for a considerable period of time and trust her implicitly. So “yes” I do believe that Canter knew about the fact that the mare cribbed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Uh, go back and read Cartier.
                  Talloaks stated that the TRAINER said that CANTER knew. Big difference.
                  That is called THIRD HAND INFORMATION.

                  edited because i'm all the sudden really bad at spelling

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by race_run_jump:
                    Talloaks - I do sympathize - I have an ottb mare that I can't give away bc she cribs AND is a grouch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Hope you have checked her for ulcers, sounds like a textbook case .
                    NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
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                    • It is dissapointing when things do not work out the way we hoped..and with horses that can come with millions to spend, to pennies, from hours of hard work to little to none..it is simply the way it is..you are dealing with living creatures who like humans have quirks, habits, illness, etc.

                      All you cna do is try to make the best of it..you obviously would never send her to a meat market...you are upset..and your husband is upset and you wanted to help out, and that is wonderful...and you feel a little let down from the results because her cribbing does not fit into what you accept in your barn..and that is completely fine, many barns and some of the best show barns will not take a cribbing horse,under any circumstances... becuause of other things like colic chances, chewing on wood, harder to keep weight on..et, etc....and that is fine people have the right to the issues around horses that crib.

                      So I do not criticize you on the wonderful thing you did, I know how frustrating it is to help out, to do the right thing and to feel left holding the bag....but in all fairness, CANTER and the owners did not intentionally swindle you or try to trick you....her price was firm and believe me at the high end of CANTER horse prices....they felt she was and is worth it and that they wanted to ensure her a good home...not taking her back is business and neccesity on their part...

                      As a breeder you must have some contacts who can help you place her and re-sell her in a different market.

                      in the meantime, Quinlan, in Kentucky makes incredible cribbing collars, the best in my opinion , especially designed for Thoroughbreds, and they will even "customize" them for you as much as possible.
                      "All life is precious"
                      Sophie Scholl

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                      • It is a different chapter of CANTER, but the last time I went to see horses at the track, I mentioned to the CANTER ED that one of them cribbed and darned if that did not show up in his "ad" the next day.

                        Horse did not wear a collar and the trainer and I did not discuss it, so I bet that CANTER did not realize it the day they took pictures. He was a half-hearted cribber, but that info was added.
                        Trinity Hill Farm

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                        • In response to the question pages ago about electric shock cribbing collars. They do make them, they do short out. They are very difficult to get off (or for that matter it is difficult to get near the horse) when they are delivering a constant shock.

                          There are better solutions!
                          A man must love a thing very much if he not only practices it without any hope of fame or money, but even practices it without any hope of doing it well.--G. K. Chesterton

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faraway46:

                            Any day, any time, girlfriend!!
                            PS I'm famous for convincing American tourists to visit Argentina! I'll use any gimmick! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Thanks, would love to visit you and your cribber, Over! No need to convince me on the travel part - I've been wanting to visit Argentina for years. It's the finding the time issue!
                            "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right." -Henry Ford

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                            • In response to the question pages ago about electric shock cribbing collars. They do make them, they do short out. They are very difficult to get off (or for that matter it is difficult to get near the horse) when they are delivering a constant shock.



                              I can just see this as a cartoon... God forbid that would happen in real life!

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                              • Lightness, I honestly didn't even see your post. There were several others making disparaging comments about CANTER, and I was addressing them. Well, one especially, but it wasn't you.

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by suzy:
                                  Lightness, I honestly didn't even see your post. There were several others making disparaging comments about CANTER, and I was addressing them. Well, one especially, but it wasn't you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                  Thanks, suzy. I just didn't want to be part of that group. I have a high regard for the CANTER people who volunteer their time to save these horses, and my suggestion was aimed at helping them continue to do so successfully.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by free:
                                    talloaks...in regards to what Sinus87 posted about the bad PR...that was the first thing that came to my mind. I cannot believe that you don't see it.

                                    I, like many others that have posted here gasped when I read your comment about the 'meat sale'and several of your other posts came off as being 'uppity'. You are doing your business no favor with this thread, and some of the posts supposedly backing you by putting the CANTER orginization down are just digging you a deeper hole. I would now suggest some damage control.

                                    I am sorry that this happened to you and agree that the sellers were wrong to not disclose the information about the cribbing, but I feel even worse for the poor mare. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Ditto what Free said!

                                    I wish I had the $4K, as at this point, sucessful breeder or not, I'd like to get that horse out of your barn. I'm not sure if you can "hear" it when you re-read your posts, but the tone of your posts is dripping with hatred for a mare who's done nothing to you.

                                    If the other offers fall through and you must get rid of her, PT me, I'll find room for her.
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                                    • SweatySaddlepad - unfortunately, no ulcers. Just a bit of a cow.

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                                      • One of my best friends owns a cribber. The mare is an FEI dressage horse and is stabled in a barn with 30 other horses in her aisle. No other horses crib. This mare is my friend's horse of a lifetime. I feel sorry for this mare of yours to get such a crappy welcome to her new home. There are lots of people on this board who have offered to take her off your hands. I hope you let them do so...
                                        "A horse's face always conveys clearly whether it is loved by its owner or simply used." - Anja Beran

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tle:
                                          you goofed and it bit you in the arse.
                                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          [QUOTE]I feel sorry for this mare of yours to get such a crappy welcome to her new home. There are lots of people on this board who have offered to take her off your hands. I hope you let them do so... [QUOTE]
                                          Do us all a favor and don't "rescue" anything else. Unless it is flawless, of course.
                                          www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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