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  • I am afraid your trainer is not up to date on her information.

    The studies (U Ky) show that NO horses pick up cribbing by being in contact with a cribber.

    Not young horses, not old horses.

    Geneetic susceptibility, triggered by ulcers, stress, or both.

    I am sure your trainer has your best interests at heart, and BELIEVES what she says.

    But she is sadly misinformed.

    I am not a racetrack person, I am a sport horse person. When I had a cribber for sale, I HONESTLY forgot to mention it until/unless asked.

    If someone asked "Does he have any vices?", I would remember that cribbing is considered a vice, and tell them.

    But if soemone asked "Does he have any issues?" it would never occur to me to consider cribbing an "issue".

    I wasn't attempting to hide anything, it was just so insignificant to me that it didn't occur to me to mention it.

    If you don't want the horse because she is a cribber, then sell her. You have plenty of offers here. And don't worry about her "teaching your young stock to crib" in the mean time. That is an emperor who has no clothes.

    I have had at least one cribber in my barn for the last 14 years. NO other horse has picked it up (including the yearling colt). And it never had the least impact on their performance or health.

    Being a cribber MIGHT take $500 off the value of the horse (because there are other ignorant buyers out there who won't buy a cribber). But there are PLENTY of cribbers worth WAAYY more than $4000.

    You were NOT swindled. You have discovered that you need to ASK DIRECTLY about EVERY SINGLE THING that is important to you when buying a horse "sight unseen", and NOT to ASSUME anything.
    Janet

    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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    • I still firmly believe that this was NOT a reflection on CANTER. They VOLUNTEER their time to connect buyers to track trainers/owners to provide homes to horses who may, otherwise, not be so lucky.
      What they are doing is a GOOD thing. If you have concerns about your potentially new horse, be it cribbing, weaving, stall walking or 100% clean x-rays, YOU need to ask. YOU know what you want and don't want and what you can live with. We can all learn from Talloaks here, and that is... BE SPECIFIC!!!! This is a hard lesson learned. CANTER is HONEST with the horses THEY have up for adoption, they ARE CANTER owned. The rest of the list, is just that, a list of trainers/owners looking to sell the rejects. Most are honest, some are not. I have met both at the track. I am not Talloaks, I don't know the whole story, I am just stating the facts. I don't want to see CANTER given a bad name because what they are VOLUNTEERING to do is a wonderful thing. Also, I do BELIEVE I read somewhere that some of the horses sold at Northampton were not in the care of trainer/owner's for long. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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      • Don't know about up in VA but down here in TX you could sell her for at least what you paid and possibly quite a bit more if you have your trainer put a little work into her so she is at least started under saddle.

        A very cute and pretty, young and SOUND horse shouldn't be too hard to sell to some teenager who wants a local circuit hunter/jumper. Or place her with a trainer in a lesson barn where lots of young girls will see her. I've seen barely off the track horses WITH issues (set bows, roaring) sell for $5-7,000.

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        • BTW, most horses that don't race well are AWESOME horses in other careers!
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          • A race horse that can't win and especially comes last is pretty much worthless, and most trainers just want to move the horse on as fast as they can, as training is so expensive. A lot don't care about the sport horse end of things (although that could be changing). With the market in such a slump and so saturated that nice sport horse prospects that are bred for sport horse disiplines (your WB or WB crosses) are fettching $3500. That is one reason that the TBs are going cheaper. Their still nice horses but just to much competition in the market right now. These sellers knew NOT to tell about the cribbing as it would have cost them the sale and/or dropped her price.

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hanohorse:
              Quote by Lisa Cook
              They cared enough about the horse to sell it to a person, rather than a meat market.

              A meat market would have given them $400-$500 tops for the mare, certainly not $3500. The sellers knew exactly what they were doing, by misrepresenting the horse and overpricing her. I'm sure they did laugh all the way to the bank. I've galloped and raced horses at the tracks, and there are plenty of crooked dealers there too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Oh please, cribbing would not drop a 3500 dollar horse down to 400. This mare must have something that Talloaks liked in the first place like she said she was one of the more expensive ones at the sale. There are many HIGH dollar cribbers out there, because of course it's always about the DOLLAR. AS stated numerous times on this thread also, with proper let down this mare might even stop or at the very least this behaviour could lessen significantly . This thread is getting counter-productive or maybe it started that way .
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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hanohorse:
                The sellers knew exactly what they were doing, by misrepresenting the horse and overpricing her. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> On what basis do you claim that they "overpriced" her?
                Janet

                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                • Did you have her vetted prior?

                  When I bought my last gelding, the vet opened the horse's mouth, took one look, and
                  said, "this horse is a cribber."

                  Shoot, all I had to do was lead him over to a fence post and he'd have at it.

                  He was so cool, I bought him anyway

                  Most people can see the signs: the front incisors are worn down excessively and, if the animal wore a cribbing strap, the area around the neck/throat shows slight rubs.

                  Buyer Beware.

                  Lesson learned, now you know.

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                  • talloaks...in regards to what Sinus87 posted about the bad PR...that was the first thing that came to my mind. I cannot believe that you don't see it.

                    I, like many others that have posted here gasped when I read your comment about the 'meat sale'and several of your other posts came off as being 'uppity'. You are doing your business no favor with this thread, and some of the posts supposedly backing you by putting the CANTER orginization down are just digging you a deeper hole. I would now suggest some damage control.

                    I am sorry that this happened to you and agree that the sellers were wrong to not disclose the information about the cribbing, but I feel even worse for the poor mare.

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                    • I agree with <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A race horse that can't win and especially comes last is pretty much worthless, and most trainers just want to move the horse on as fast as they can, as training is so expensive. ... These sellers knew NOT to tell about the cribbing as it would have cost them the sale and/or dropped her price. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      And like it or not CANTER was involved in this transaction and this situation reflects poorly on them.
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                      • How I see it...you didnt ask specific enough questions...she got home and cribs and your ticked. Fine...but now youre looking for someone to blame other than yourself. So, you blame the owners, you blame a great volunteer organization, and you throw in the meat market comment for good measure...really...WHAT DID YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH with this thread?! If the meat market comment wasnt enough to tick people off than you outright disrespect for CANTER did!

                        Take credit for your own mistake and GET OVER IT! Plenty of people here have offered suggestions and homes for this horse....more for the horses sake than yours.

                        She cribs, so what..you dont want her anymore, sell her. If that is her only flaw she will go quickly.
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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cartier:
                          And like it or not CANTER was involved in this transaction and this situation reflects poorly on them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          No, it reflects poorly on talloaks for ranting about sending her rescue horse to the killers for a non-issue. It does NOT reflect poorly on CANTER.

                          Horse shopping is always "buyer beware." Anyone who doesn't know that should not be buying their own horse (let alone breeding and selling horses).
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                          • reflecting badly?

                            kind of like having your husband come onto this board and harrass people to the point of having an entire subject, and himself, banned from participating?

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                            • First, please forgive if I repeat anything as I did not read through the whole thread.

                              Horses do not learn to crib through others UNLESS they are genetically predisposed too. I am fairly certain I am right in this.
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                              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cartier:
                                And like it or not CANTER was involved in this transaction and this situation reflects poorly on them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                like it or not, CANTER didn't sell the horse.

                                I just don't understand how this reflects on them. It's like saying "I bought a lame horse I found on Equine.com" and then saying it's Equine.com's fault.

                                Yes, they listed the horse. But so do newspapers and classifieds. Is it the yankee peddler's fault somebody sells a bum horse through their pages?
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                                • I don't have time to read this whole thread, but the advice on the Miracle collar and ulcers is good advice. I bought a mare from the same sale and was quite surprised when she came home and was doing beaver impressions. She quit on the third day, and I haven't seen any cribbing since. Hopefully, you will experience the same. I currently have a cribber in my 6-stall barn, and none of the other horses have imitated her--she's been with us for almost a full year now. I really do think that's an old wive's tale and not a reason to get rid of a horse.

                                  I also would much rather a horse did not crib, but if the horse has other redeeming qualities, than I just deal with that one issue.

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                                  • FairWeather,

                                    What in god's name is this supposed to mean? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted Oct. 07, 2004 02:19 PM
                                    reflecting badly?
                                    kind of like having your husband come onto this board and harrass people to the point of having an entire subject, and himself, banned from participating? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Maybe you should get your facts straight before you post.



                                    Btw, I am entitled to express my opinion. if you disagree - fine! But let's try to keep grossly inaccurate personal attacks out of this.
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                                    • Cartier - my, my, my! and tsk, tsk, tsk! your ignorance about the Canter organization reflects badly upon you. Please, do a little research before posting such strong statements.

                                      TallOaks - I say once again, deal and move on.
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                                      • I feel like I must post my story about my cribber. I also was not told Wiz was a cribber until I went to pick him up - was handed a cribbing collar! "WHAT'S THIS?!!" Reluctantly, I took him anyway. 10+ yrs later, this is THE BEST horse in my life!! If he wants to "get high" by cribbing, fine. He has carried me to my wildest dream & beyond. I will never rule out a horse because of this. Wiz only cribbs now when he is left in the stall or if he is bored. I'll take your mare and make her into a field hunter!

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                                        • I could suggest you do the same thing.

                                          Sorry, i tend to get uppity when people throw around inaccurate statements online.

                                          Like how that feels?

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