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  • #101
    If your intent was truly altruistic, to "rescue" a horse, then you should take the good with the bad. This horse is not a "true rescue" (neglect, abuse, etc.)
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    • #102
      Try letting her live outside in an electric fenced paddock with run-in shed. I had one here for months that we didn't know was a cribber until we brought her into the foaling paddock prior to foaling. She never cribbed while living out in the pasture. There are lots of attractive electric fencing options these days.
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      • #103
        Quote by Lisa Cook
        They cared enough about the horse to sell it to a person, rather than a meat market.

        A meat market would have given them $400-$500 tops for the mare, certainly not $3500. The sellers knew exactly what they were doing, by misrepresenting the horse and overpricing her. I'm sure they did laugh all the way to the bank. I've galloped and raced horses at the tracks, and there are plenty of crooked dealers there too.

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        • #104
          Despite the negative responses, Cartier does have a point about Canter. If enough people feel deceived in their experiences with acquiring Canter horses, it will make it much more difficult for Canter to do the good work of ensuring that these horses go on to good lives after the track. If Canter can't place these horses, then the organization probably won't survive.

          I would venture that many people considering a Canter horse would consider it reasonable for a question regarding "soundness or other issues" to cover cribbing, and would be quite upset to find that they had unknowingly purchased a cribber, regardless of what they ultimately decided to do about it.

          So here's what I hope is a constructive suggestion: if they don't do so already, perhaps it would be helpful for Canter to provide a standard, detailed questionaire to sellers for each horse to be sold, which would cover both the obvious things and some that are easy to miss but important. That could be made available to potential buyers along with the other information. I'm sure that there are people on this board that have checklists that they could share from when they've been horse shopping. Such information would undoubtedly help ensure that information important to buyers doesn't fall through the cracks, whether intentionally or not.

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          • #105
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hanohorse:
            The sellers knew exactly what they were doing, by misrepresenting the horse and overpricing her. I'm sure they did laugh all the way to the bank. I've galloped and raced horses at the tracks, and there are plenty of crooked dealers there too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            If the horse is everything she says it is - THAT nice a mare and sound - how is that overpriced? $3,500, while in the context of a possible meat auction may be high, but in the context of a very nice sport horse prospect, it is not ... cribbing aside.
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            • #106
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
              Drummerboy posted:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Cribbing isn't a big deal on the track. Be happy you didn't get one who weaves or stall walks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              The Canter folks did a good job of telling me about a weaver I had asked about.

              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Don't fault CANTER for not disclosing this. I highly doubt they were aware she was a cribber. I can think of a litany of worse things that have happened to people who have purchased horses, myself included. Try to treat her problem while you try to get her sold. You are just as much at fault here as the sellers are. You assumed that when they said "no issues" they meant "no vices" and we all know what happens when people assume things...
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              • #107
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So here's what I hope is a constructive suggestion: if they don't do so already, perhaps it would be helpful for Canter to provide a standard, detailed questionaire to sellers for each horse to be sold, which would cover both the obvious things and some that are easy to miss but important. That could be made available to potential buyers along with the other information. I'm sure that there are people on this board that have checklists that they could share from when they've been horse shopping. Such information would undoubtedly help ensure that information important to buyers doesn't fall through the cracks, whether intentionally or not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                And what happens when we miss a question? We cannot be involved in sales of horses because then we can be held accountable. Again, Does Equine.com stand fully behind the horses listed? Does COTH stand by all of their advertised horses?

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                • #108
                  Talloaks has said that Canter knew the mare cribbed. That should have been disclosed and failing to do so reflects poorly on Canter.

                  And, if in fact there are buyers out there who don’t care if she cribs, then the seller should refund Talloaks money and resell the mare. That would be the ethical thing to do, and the problem would be solved.
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                  • #109
                    I've been in this business a LONG time and I'm stunned by the insensitivity of the original poster. If this horse is wonderful, keep it. Cribbing is a minor vice, not a major one and as people out here have posted, they have wonderful careers and lives--if they are loved and taken care of by their owners. If you don't love this horse because you consider it flawed, then sell it. Do the horse a favor. If you're going to make comments about meat markets (even if they are in frustration) you should not have the horse. Sell her to someone who will love her and treat her with respect and not care about the cribbing.

                    You can easily get your money back, if she's sound and has a good brain and nice athletic ability. I could care less about cribbing just like the others out here because I'm not prejudiced against small problems like that. I see the whole horse. I look for the good points and try not to magnify small blemishes all out of porportion.

                    Track people always believe that if you give them money, you own the horse and the deal is done. I bet you'd do the same with one of your home bred horses, unless you thought someone would send it to the meat market. In this case, the option was you buying it or it going to the meat market. Would you REALLY have rather seen this mare go to the meat market???

                    You bought a sound, sane horse. Sell her if you've found out you don't like her. But don't take it out on the horse. (By the tone of your posts it sounds as if you loath the horse--so just get rid of her before you do something you'll regret later and something she doesn't deserve.)
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                    • #110
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dappled Gray:
                      Tall Oaks just a quick question

                      You started another thread about cribbing, and it seems to be productive and informative. What exactly where you hoping to gain from starting this one? I understand your need to vent, but saying it like you did (meat markets, and 'expensive'horses and such) just inflamed everyone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      I agree with this, I have offered advice and support, but I am kind of irked now that it seems Talloaks prefers to engage with the people who are slamming her rather than thanking the people that are trying to help her and support her with this unfortunate situation.

                      I think this thread should be ended and Talloaks should post a word of thanks to the posters who have offered her suggestions on her other post.

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                      • #111
                        Hey Talloaks - I live in TN, not a bad drive from VA. How badly do you just want her out of your barn?

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                        • #112
                          Cartier - actually Talloaks said the TRAINER said that the CANTER people knew she cribbed. That is about 3rd hand information that may or may not be true. Maybe the trainer was just trying to get Talloaks to leave him or her alone. We really don't know if the CANTER people knew the mare cribbed or not. CANTER CLEARLY states on their website that they do NOT guarantee ANYTHING about the horses listed. It is up to the potential buyer to ask the pertinent questions of the trainer.

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                          • #113
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
                            They wanted the dollars , they didn't care about the horse!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It seems to me that the same could be said about you right now.

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                            • #114
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FairWeather:

                              And what happens when we miss a question? We cannot be involved in sales of horses because then we can be held accountable. Again, Does Equine.com stand fully behind the horses listed? Does COTH stand by all of their advertised horses? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              I'm sure that there's a way to make it between the buyer and seller and protect Canter.

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                              • #115
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hanohorse:
                                Quote by Lisa Cook
                                They cared enough about the horse to sell it to a person, rather than a meat market.

                                A meat market would have given them $400-$500 tops for the mare, certainly not $3500. The sellers knew exactly what they were doing, by misrepresenting the horse and overpricing her. I'm sure they did laugh all the way to the bank. I've galloped and raced horses at the tracks, and there are plenty of crooked dealers there too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                Oh, I agree that they certainly couldn't get $3,500 for her at the meat market. My point was (which seemed to be missed by all): the trainer was not the one making meat market references. Tall Oaks did in her opening post, where she was sorry that she paid too much for the mare to recoup her purchase price at the meat market.

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                                • #116
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Talloaks has said that Canter knew the mare cribbed. That should have been disclosed and failing to do so reflects poorly on Canter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Cartier, you assume that CANTER had deep involvement in the sale of this horse. Did Talloaks ever speak to them? Truthfully, i've come across horses that I know crib, but I Just. Plain. Forget. to put it in the ad. It is up to the buyer to ask these questions.
                                  If that reflects bad on me then so be it. I have empiracal evidence to support the fact that I am OPEN and HONEST about every horse i've ever helped place.


                                  Now that i think about it, I purchased a CANTER Horse myself last year. It was home, in the stall before I realized it cribbed. Was the seller being dishonest? Nope! I never asked! Shame on me! Time for some personal responsibility here.
                                  Talloaks made a mistake. I doubt she'll make it again. Now, lets see what kind of horseperson she is for real, and watch her do right by this mare.

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                                  • #117
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OneonOne:
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
                                    They wanted the dollars , they didn't care about the horse!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It seems to me that the same could be said about you right now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    I agree!
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                                    • #118
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lightness:
                                      I'm sure that there's a way to make it between the buyer and seller and protect Canter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      We are protected. We do not get involved in the sale of horses.

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                                      • #119
                                        I board at a fairly large stable, we have 3 cribbers there--including my horse. Two are OTTBs and one is an imported WB. In the three years I have been there--no other horse has picked up the habit. There is a youngster that is stalled right next to Robin, he hates being in the stall and acts like an idiot, but not once has he tried to crib--even though his next door neighbor is cribbing. I think with 30 plus horses (including several OTTBs) 3 years, majority of horses stalled, and no new cribbers, that would show that cribbing is not contagious.
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                                        • #120
                                          Six pages later.... She still cribs and you still own her. Calm down and deal with it. You've been give some fabulous advice and had some generous offers. You cannot undo the past-work on today and tomorrow. Where is the mare now and what have you done to help yourself out of this? It's clear that a return is out of the question. Are you looking into ulcers? Do you have a collar on her? Is she turned out? Have you contacted sales barns in the area that could take her, put 60 days on her and recoup your money? We get it. You're upset. Everyone on this board wants to help, but whining is not moving forward.

                                          Also, just a question-what do you think would happen to her if she WERE to go back? She's not a racer and now she's a reject riding horse...would scare me into doing my darndest to find her another home, no matter what the loss. I wish you both a happy outcome.

                                          And, I am sorry to pick on this point, but to now go back and declare thet you REALLY didn't say the "expensive" quote, it was really your trainer... well, you didn't credit her originally so it's natural for all readers to see what you write as your thoughts and beliefs. Now that people have trouble with it it suddenly is not your quote. If you didn't believe it as well you would not have written it, no?
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