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  • #81
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:

    Well if the seller, a track person, doesn't give a hoot about cribbing, and they said so, why in the H--- won't they take her back and return my money????
    That would be fair as far as I'm concerned. Why should they go laughing to the bank while I am left with a problem???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I can't answer that question definitively because I'm clearly not the trainer who sold you this horse, but I suspect it might have something to do with the fact that YOU NEVER ASKED IF THE HORSE CRIBBED! They can't read minds and had no way to know this was a deal breaker for you. You failed to ask the question, you keep the horse.

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    • #82
      Wow, I hope that "meat sale" comment was not sincere, as I bought my horse at one and saw many beauties there who were not as lucky. :-(

      What would you do if one of your "expensive warmblood foals" was born a cribber???

      Geez, lately some of these boards have been kind of odd...from the person who is upset that they cannot afford more than $90K for a horse to this one threatening to send a poor horse to the meat market...what is with people??
      In loving memory of Chutney (1977 - 2008)

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      • #83
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
        Well if the seller, a track person, doesn't give a hoot about cribbing, and they said so, why in the H--- won't they take her back and return my money???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Because they sold her to you. Track folks dont 'take horses back'. If they do, it is very rare. This is a business for them, and since the mare wasnt running anymore, they have no use for her.
        Why not sell her for 4000$ and cut your losses? Even if they would take her back, it would cost you 500$ to ship her back.
        Trainers arent in the business of selling sporthorses. If they were, these horses wouldnt be going to the killers in droves.
        I thought you were trying to do a "good thing" here? It saddens me that your good intentions have changed because the horse cribs. Its ok that the horse doesnt fit you perfectly--live and learn--and sell the horse?

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        • #84
          Cartier,

          I think people have done a sufficient job handing you your ass in a hat, so I'll keep this short.

          If most of the people who were selling horses cared half as much as CANTER cared about the horses they AREN'T representing, the horse world would be a much better place.

          I sincerely hope you'll think twice before spouting off a bunch of untruths about such a great organization in the future. These people work so hard for NO pay and the last thing they need is some uneducated boob, misrepresenting all their hard work.
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          Life Goes On

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          • #85
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
            Gosh, do you think the fact Hay Worthy is a cribber had anything to do with her coming in last at the race at Northampton!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
            Do you?

            Edit: Sorry Lisa, I was intending to leave in only talloaks' portion of that quote, not your portion or trying to imply that was yours.
            Trinity Hill Farm

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            • #86
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RioTex:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
              Lisa Cook posted:
              Gosh, do you think the fact Hay Worthy is a cribber had anything to do with her coming in last at the race at Northampton!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
              Do you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Whoa - the quoting here is a little unclear. To specify....Tall Oaks was the one asking the question if the horse came in last because it cribbed.

              My response is: of course not!

              Just wanted to make that clear!

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              • #87
                Most probably they won't take her back as the meet is over and if she was coming in last they don't want to ship her south to run with them there, if they even run in the "off" season.

                Cribbing isn't a big deal on the track. Be happy you didn't get one who weaves or stall walks. Granted they should have said something, but it doesn't have to be the end of the world here. The race track is a different world...not all bad, just different.

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                • #88
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
                  Tiramit, I just can't let my expensive warmbloods, foals and other youngsters pick up the vice. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Hmmm I raise not so "expensive" warmbloods (they are priced very reasonably~expensive to me means overpriced). My broodmare is a cribber and not one of her foals has picked it up. And I highly doubt they ever will. Yes there is a genetic component to cribbing,however, I think the driving force that causes a cribber is its environment. If you keep your youngsters in stalls and dont provide a more "natural" upbringing for them the chance of the youngster becoming a cribber rises exponentially.

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                  • #89
                    Tall Oaks just a quick question

                    You started another thread about cribbing, and it seems to be productive and informative. What exactly where you hoping to gain from starting this one? I understand your need to vent, but saying it like you did (meat markets, and 'expensive'horses and such) just inflamed everyone.
                    My treasures do not glitter or clink,
                    they gleam in the sunlight and neigh in the night.
                    ~bedouin proverb

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                    • #90
                      Yes, I would be unhappy if I purchased a horse who had a vice I was not previously told about. However, it happened. They (previous owner/trainer) don't want to take the horse back. It is NOT CANTER'S fault. Those are the facts. Now, Talloaks can do two things, treat the mare's vices by treating the possible cause (ulcers)/using a miracle collar, or SELL her. She has had offers on this thread to take the mare off of her hands. I think Talloaks is in a bit of shock and once that wears off, she can come to her own solution, which ever that may be, and I don't think sending her to the meat man is an option she would SERIOUSLY consider. Cribbing is a pain, but it can be dealt with. If talloaks doesn't want to deal with cribbing, selling her is the best option.

                      My mare weaves. She is off of the track also. She did not weave when I got her, and I was never told that she weaved while on the track either. She started a year after I got her when she was at a stressful barn. she was there for two months, she was moved two weeks after the weaving started. That vice is a pain as well, but she does it. I wish she didn't and it is a difficult vice to deal with sometimes. She is USUALLY not a pasture weaver, but I have seen her do it a couple of times. (when I weaned Frodo, she was at a different barn, and STRESSED!) At 18, she RARELY does it anymore, even when in a stall. She NEVER ONCE did it while nursing Frodo. It is unfortunate that she does it, but her positives FAR OUTWEIGH this vice. I learned what triggered it and corrected those triggers. Stress was a BIG trigger, so I do the best that I can to remove stress. She is now at a barn with maximum turnout, a laid back atmosphere and little to no stress. She used to weave if she was the only horse in the barn, now she is fine, and almost PREFERS to be in the barn by herself, she gets ALL of my attention that way.

                      I just wanted to relay my story, I know cribbing and weaving are two different things; but they both can be dealt with.
                      ~Amy~ TrakehNERD clique
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                        #91
                        Drummerboy posted:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Cribbing isn't a big deal on the track. Be happy you didn't get one who weaves or stall walks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                        The Canter folks did a good job of telling me about a weaver I had asked about.

                        Incidentally these race track people may be different and have different values but surely they know when Canter is involved that they are not selling to race track people but to individual horse people. I still won't give this seller/trainer any slack in what they, husband and wife, did!!! They wanted the dollars , they didn't care about the horse!!
                        http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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                        • #92
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
                          I still won't give this seller/trainer any slack in what they, husband and wife, did!!! They wanted the dollars , they didn't care about the horse!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          They cared enough about the horse to sell it to a person, rather than the meat market.

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                            #93
                            Karousel posted:
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by talloaks:
                            Tiramit, I just can't let my expensive warmbloods, foals and other youngsters pick up the vice.


                            <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            It was my trainer who used that quotation to me last night about my warmblood foals being expensive and not wanting any of the youngsters to pick up cribbing. She also said it doesn't really matter if you have a barn full of older horses because they won't pick it up---it is the young impressionable ones that may.
                            So for what its' worth---I wasn't saying my horses were expensive, Cathy did, and was saying that in comparison to the OTTB's that goes for such very low prices. That's all, nothing major. And I am not one to toot my own horn, so if you knew me at all, you wouldn't be making that remark.
                            http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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                            • #94
                              Had a OTTB that cribbed and loved her . She was controlled with a collar and pasture. I paid about what you did for that mare when she was a cribbing 3 year old and a year later turned down 3 times that much, cribbing or not, nice horses are nice horses . This was 15+ years ago. Give her a chance, you may find you like her or find her a good home.

                              CANTER is good people
                              NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
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                              • #95
                                Geesh TallOaks - you've had at least three offers here to take the mare, and numerous helpful hints to 'live with' and/or control the cribbing. Make the choice to keep her or sell her and move on. Good Lord woman - it is a gambling every time you buy a horse, whether its for $500 or $500,000. It can pull a suspensory, bow a tendon, get cuaght in a fence while rolling, colic, break a leg, get kicked, you name it. Deal and move on.......
                                Bridal Sweet 05/28/1983 to 01/23/2008


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                                  #96
                                  Lisa Cook posted:
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> They cared enough about the horse to sell it to a person, rather than the meat market. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  NoI don't think that is the case--they would never have received 3500 clear from the meat man. They only wanted the money and knowing I was out of state and had never seen the horse, probably thought they could pull one over on me. And they did.
                                  http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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                                  • #97
                                    I think a deep breath is needed here.

                                    Yes, cribbing isn't great, but you could have been sold a crazy man eating mare you couldn't get with in 5 feet of.

                                    There are many worse things that have been left unrepresented. This horse will be easy to sell, and may stop cribbing.
                                    My treasures do not glitter or clink,
                                    they gleam in the sunlight and neigh in the night.
                                    ~bedouin proverb

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                                    • #98
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MissBri:
                                      Deal and move on....... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                                      NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
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                                      • #99
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dappled Gray:
                                        Yes, cribbing isn't great, but you could have been sold a crazy man eating mare you couldn't get with in 5 feet of.

                                        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



                                        Could I get one for when hubbys acting up! Sorry but I just had to say it
                                        NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
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                                        • You could be in a much worse situation. Count your blessings that the mare didnt get to your farm and promptly colic, like some other poor souls horse.

                                          Can you just sell the horse? I understand the 'wanting to vent' but it also seems like you do not want to see any resolution to this issue other than sending the horse back.

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