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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by J Swan:

    Let me know. I'd offer to buy her but I prefer WB's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    LMAO!
    Jessi Pizzurro ~~ Pennyroyal Stables
    Racehorses, OTTBs ~~ 330 383 1281
    Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway. -- John Wayne

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    • Things I have extrapolated from reading all 26 bloody pages of this thred:

      1. CANTER is an evil organization comprised of unscrupulous racehorse owners who conspire with fanged volunteers. The goal is to swindle every person and horse possible, so that we can increase the number of animals that end up as bloody corpses. The number of happy relationships that have occurred is merely the exception, not the rule; those 5 or 10 people who feel in their self-righteous ignorance that they have gotten screwed is really the whole point.

      2. Stupid people should not buy OTTBs. Why take them from one unfortunate circumstance and then send them to Dante's 6th level of hell?

      3. I have so much more respect for racehorse trainers and the cold shoulder they can sometimes give the rest of the horse world. Anyone that would willingly deal with people like the OP deserves our dearest sympathies and supreme respect.

      4. When I get my customary vet check done, I will be sure to remember that a horse who has just come from a severe physical exertion is likely to have stiffness. (I wonder, btw, how many horses would vet cleanly the day after Rolex?)

      5. I've finally figured out why CANTER has pages upon pages upon pages of disclaimers. Before I honestly thought it was crazy to have so many legalities mentioned.

      6. Cribbing is a disease like Ebola that will spread through air, saliva or blood and infect everything in sight. The more expensive an animal is, the more innate likelihood it possesses of contracting this illness. Cribbing is also an unsoundness, meaning that, similar to ringbone and other dehibilitating injuries, it can cause horses to be completely worthless.

      7. A "rescue case" is any horse under $25,000. Still, even such poor, decrepit, unwhole animals must be absolutely pristine and perfect in mind and body, and they must be of acceptable height, color, beauty, physical condition and have a 2 year warranty. Breed may vary but sub-standard animals like thoroughbreds ought to have their beeding-ful flaws fully disclosed prior to purchase, so that the buyer may have adequate reason to trash and bash them.

      8. We must trust that each and every seller can read our minds to assess the match between horse and rider. Furthermore, they must own the animal for its entire life, live in a stall with it to figure out its personality and be able to recite its family predispositions and history on cue.

      9. Each buyer, however, is not responsible to determine their own criteria. (Honestly, doesn't the seller know that I clearly want a STRIPE not a strip? They are trying to mislead me - they knew that he didn't have a stripe! So did the advertising agency! Damn them all) Questions that are failed to be asked must be described in full by the seller. (His sheath was cleaned on this date. One time he was in his stall and didn't finish his hay, but then he ate it later. My mother's favorite color is blue).

      10. If every detail is not precisely accurate so as to leave no ambiguity for the poor, troubled buyer to muddle through, the seller must take complete responsibility and provide a complete refund and a carribean cruise. (YOU said this horse was LIGHT BAY. This is CLEARLY a red bay. I was doing you a favor by taking this nag off of your hands, and even though I wanted a mahogeny bay, I decided to allow you to sell me this 'light bay.' And now it's a bloody red bay. You fruitbat - take it away now. And where the hell is my cruise?!)


      And finally....

      - TallOaks has assured that even more horses will end up having a bolt shot into their head, hung from a leg and their throat slit while they're still alive, because of her ignorance and slander. I applaud you.
      ------------------------------------
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      • I'm sorry to hear about your troubles TO. I guess I feel even more fortunate with my OTTB from the Clearance Auction at Charles Town. I didn't have him vetted either.

        Not quite "sight unseen" but I only got to see him walked for 5 minutes in the paddock while I bid on him. I would consider him a "rescue": FairWeather said her trailer was full, meaning CANTER had no room to take any other "at risk" horses, i.e. those going for meat price, and since he was last to go, the only person bidding was the meat man. I bid $50 over meat price...and found myself owning an OTTB.

        It wasn't until he came home that I found out he cribs. They did not disclose it at the auction. UGH. I *really* hate cribbers, and was kind of mad that I would up with one. He was the last to go thru the auction, it was dark, and I didn't see the subtle rub marks behind his ears from the collar until the next morning. *sigh* Ok, I decided he's gonna be a resale project.

        Within 3 days of my getting him home, any thoughts of him being a resale project were abandoned. He is just too sweet and wonderful. So, Chuck is The Horse in the Iron Mask. Can't crib if ya can't latch on to anything.

        I will say, because of the risky nature of a track auction, I only spent as much money as I could afford to throw away. But I figured even if he was a cripple, at least he'd not be going to the knacker man and would have a good home.

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        • talloaks -- I have also sent you a PT. Let me clarify my statement above: I will buy the horse from you if I like her, and I like what my vet has to say about her. I am available tomorrow if you want to show her to me. Again, please email me at lbroadbe_us@yahoo.com if you want to discuss this further.

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          • First off - I have to say this is a truly sad story for all the parties involved (horse and buyer). Time heals (almost) all wounds (physical and mental).

            Secondly, horses rarely "fail" flexion tests. They are given numbers - 1 through 5.

            Thirdly, I think that all of us here on the bulletin board can agree - lots of people misrepresent horses when selling them. I bought one for A LOT more than $3,500 and gave it away less than one year later and it was FULLY vetted. The seller misrepresented it and the vet told me it's flexions were "1's" when they were really 3's and 4's. The poor thing was a physical disaster! When the horse's monthly medical bills exceeded it's board bill - I threw in the towel. Was I mad....sure, but I have moved on. While I was bummed to lose the money - I was happy the horse was gone. Life is too short.

            If you don't want the horse - give the horse away to someone who does want her. Look back on this as a "life lesson".

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            • Original Poster

              Thank you to all of the wonderful posters who have been kind and generous with your suggestions. I applaud you!!! Thank you!!!

              To the rest of you with the vicious bitter comments, to you I say: QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN!!!
              http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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              • talloaks:

                Nice attitude. You posted on a public forum so if you sincerely don't "give a damn" then why do you keep responding?

                Also, you have several sincere offers right here to take that mare off your hands. Instead of whining about how you've been taken, why don't you just go ahead and take some of these people up on their offers to try and rid yourself of this horribly lame cribbing horse?
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                • 27 pages later nothing has changed. Makes me sick.

                  I wish I could take the mare, I really do...just to get her out of your hands. I would HATE to see what you thought of me paying $6000 for Rudy, who was 300 pounds underweight and 13 at the time, just to get him home with me for the rest of his days in happiness...I guess that makes me a sucker or stupid.
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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Barbara L.:
                    I have tried to ignore all of Talloaks' digs at the racing industry (scissor-hacked manes, for instance <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                    That brings to mind the man who taught me to pull manes and braid. He was a racehorse trainer. (He also taught me how to cuss, how to drink, and the proper way to pile s__t in a wheelbarrow.)
                    Nothing left hos farm without having the mane pulled and braided so that it laid flat on the right side. Colts and geldings had their sheath cleaned, and all halters were clean and the brass nameplates polished.

                    He was a big R hunter judge, too.
                    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                    • The fact that she failed flexions on all 4 legs leads me to think it is from recent racing, not an injury. And alot of ex-racers have old bows or thickened tendons. This doesn't mean they are unsound. I know of a number of OTTBs doing Jr/AO jumpers with set bows and healed suspensories (mine included). SH*T HAPPENS. And from what I've read you didn't intend to do the big jumpers anyhow.

                      I'd be alot more worried about a horse that flexes unsound on only one leg. Truly implies an injury rather than just track sore.

                      And seriously, I still don't get the big deal with cribbing, aside from the fence destruction.

                      As I said, I just hope the mare finds a home that really loves her.

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                      • talloaks...Thank goodness that the sweet girl is just temporarily sore from racing on the poor Northampton track surface and then being shipped to Virginia. I am sure that if your vet suspected anything worse that he/she would have suggested further testing.

                        Now that you know everything that is wrong with her...what do you think that she is worth?

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                        • DMK - lovely lovely horse. I am truly impressed!

                          I used to buy a TON off the track and it always used to amuse me when I'd turn them loose for the first time and people would say "Uhhh. Donna. He's sore in behind" or "He's lame in front" or "geez - he doesnt look so good. Are you REALLY planning on riding and selling this one?"

                          In 99.9% of the cases, once they chilled out for a week or so, *miraculously*, they came sound again after we took off those damned toe grabs, let them hang out and be horses, did some low key, low stress, hacking on them, and allowed their bodies a chance to heal. In literally 100% of the cases, what we saw that first day was NOT what we had a week or so later.

                          I think it helped educate a lot of the kids at the barn as to just how body sore and mentally and physically tired these guys were coming off the track and what wonders a week or so off to just chill out could do for them.

                          "Spot"

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                          • two words...martyr, oh wait that's only one word. I guess that's all the energy I have to expend on this one!

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                            • Talloaks, that warmblood inspection must have been really exhausting! Charity work can be so demanding! I know that when I volunteered at Fashion Week in New York it was a real challenge. Also all of those black-tie benefits I attend out of the goodness of my heart can really make it difficult to find the time to vet all of the prospects that come into my Baden-Wurtemberg Rescue. I salute you and the important work you are doing! If we didn't have volunteers like you, who would speak for the poor, unfortunate uninspected warmbloods? Kudos!
                              Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot, over...

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                              • I am sitting here imagining all these tuxedo clad people standing aroung drinking their wine from a paper bag

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                                • It looks like this thread has set a record for a lot of things.
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                                  • No matter what the topic was, or how strongly I felt at the outset, if I posted my opinion and received TWENTY-SEVEN FREAKIN' PAGES worth of disagreement, I really think I'd have reconsidered the validity of said opinion.

                                    Oh, OK, there was Cartier. I stand corrected. TWENTY-SIX FREAKIN' PAGES.

                                    Of course I have (and almost everyone I know has) more common sense, horse sense and compassion in their little finger than the OP. Maybe it's pride, maybe it's hard to admit on a public BB. I'd like to think that Talloaks might turn off the computer tonight and say (very very VERY quietly) "perhaps I'm wrong about this".

                                    I can dream, can't I?
                                    Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
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                                    • Considering my recent error in judgement over the purchase of a horse for FAR more money this all seems very pety.
                                      Why not just put a miracle collar on this mare and give her some time to settle in. Who knows Talloaks you might just end up loving this mare in spite of her cribbing. There are FAR greater problems, and cribbing can be handled. Who knows it might be due to stress from her past envirioment and once settled in she will stop.
                                      I had a mare that picked up cribbing from a stallmate as a yearling. She grew out of it, and no longer had to wear her collar. She has had two wonderfull foals for us, one now a four year old and neither of them has ever cribbed.
                                      You say you purchsed this mare to rescue her, so please give her a chance. Otherwise others have offered to buy her, so sell her...
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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
                                        Well little Hay Worthy, purchased as a sound, no issues horse has just failed the vetting.

                                        Besides the fact that she cribs in the stall and on the board fences out side she:
                                        1. Jogs Lame LF GIII, that is a failing of a vet test to start with.
                                        2. Failed LF flexion
                                        3. Failed RF flexion also has thickened tendon behind branches of suspensory
                                        4. Failed LH flexion
                                        5. Failed RH flexion
                                        6. Back and rump muscles very tense
                                        7. Drags hind toes at a walk, reluctant to pick up either hind to advance foot



                                        So that is the little mare who was sold to me as SOUND, NO ISSUES, NO PROBLEMS horse, these are the words of the seller. And you all wonder why I am so angry with the seller. I doubt any of you would be happy if you had put out 4K and this happened to you.


                                        So who would buy this horse to give her the loving home she rightfully deserves????

                                        No Erin, not a sales pitch!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Third time's a charm...are the x-rays clean? If so, my $3500 offer and 1/2 the cost of shipping to CA still stands. I require x-rays because if I spend nearly $4500 on this horse(estimating an xtra $1k for shipping), I won't have any additional money to spend on surgery to remove bone chips.

                                        This is your last chance to take me up on it before you strike out. JSwan...if this transaction comes to pass, I would greatly appreciate if we could work out a deal to keep the mare at your place until she is un-ouchy enough to travel 3,000 miles.

                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sure LMH, but none of these big mouths will put their money where their mouths are!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        That would be me...BIG MOUTH CINDEYE. Joined by BIG MOUTH LISA COOKS and BIG MOUTH Page3Girl. Take your pick which one of the BIG MOUTHS you want to palm your "reject" off onto. You can PT me if you don't feel comfortable accepting my offer on a public board. Or, email me...cindeye@cindeye.com. Now will you frickin' take me seriously?

                                        Sheesh, a girl takes a little time away from the computer to go to the barn and have dinner and all hell breaks loose.

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                                        • TallOaks, perhaps you could clarify something for all of us. In what way does volunteering at a WB inspection qualify as "charitable" work?
                                          Was the inspection a fund-raiser for some worthy cause? If so, what cause? Was it a free inspection, where those of us with less expensive WB's could take horses without having to pay? I would really be interested to know just what philanthropic cause you have devoted your time and energy to, because maybe other people here would like to be involved with something so worth while.
                                          There are a lot of very generous people on this board, who willingly give of their time, their money, their facilities, and their energy. Perhaps you could share with us, so we too can help this very worthy cause gain momentum.
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