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  • jumper11 - I couldn't have said it better! This whole thread has made me sick.

    Enough is enough talloaks - just deal with the lesson you learned and move on, sell the horse if that is what you need/want to do. Don't let that beautiful horse suffer because of the mistakes you made in not doing your homework.

    I can't say enough good things about CANTER and we love the OTTB's we just purchased at Northampton. THANK YOU CANTER for what you do!

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    • Some people (posters) never fail to amaze me!
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      • FWIW, Didn't Equus magazine do an article about a year ago about how cribbing was NOT a "learned" behavior? It had to do with protein levels as youngsters etc. So she won't teach it to your other horses.

        And, it sounds like you had to learn the hard way about buying a horse. It's just silly not to do a pre-purchase on an OTTB (or any horse for that matter)...
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        • thanks for this very educational thread. i have learned:

          1. smart people get prepurchase exams. wait, i already knew that.

          2. i will never use nor recommend tall oaks farm for any kind of horse transaction. and if anyone should ever ask me about it or consider tall oaks, my advice will be for them to run far far away.

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          • Ditto ^^

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by class:
              thanks for this very educational thread. i have learned:

              1. smart people get prepurchase exams. wait, i already knew that.

              2. i will never use nor recommend tall oaks farm for any kind of horse transaction. and if anyone should ever ask me about it or consider tall oaks, my advice will be for them to run far far away. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              I'm so glad I stopped back in to check on this thread. That was a great laugh, class!




              "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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              • Class - I agree

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                • You know what this thread needs? PDs!! Where's the PD clique??!
                  no, better yet, PDs and MARTINIS!

                  unk unk sip unk unk

                  sorry, punchy

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                    texang73 posted:
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's just silly not to do a pre-purchase on an OTTB (or any horse for that matter)... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Maybe you think it is silly but the way things worked out with this mare it was not that easy. First of all during this Northampton canter sale, or whatever you want to call it, Hay Worthy ran on Sat, came in last, and the trainers left with her. How could the vets at the track that were available to a vetting on a horse that wasn't there???? The trainer didn't return my calls for days, they were in MA and then in CT and had the horse at their farm.

                    Okay--- my trainer looked at the horse today---she is so far from being racing fit that when she ran on the 18th she couldn't have been fit. You know what happens to horses when they are overworked???? Okay. enough said.

                    I have purchased much more expensive horses without a vetting, and never had any problems. It was just my choice with seeing her advertised as being sound, no issues and the trainer reassuring me that she didn't have any soundness problems or issues and there was absolutely nothing wrong with her. Why should I be such a non believer????

                    Another thing I have thought of is that these lower end race trainers don't send their horses to the decent sales which require full disclosure of cribbing, so they must only be familiar with the(here we go again) the meat sales because the meat sales don't ask any questions and don't require any disclosures.
                    http://www.talloaksfarm.net ---"Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill

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                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Saskatoonian:
                      You know what this thread needs? PDs!! Where's the PD clique??!
                      no, better yet, PDs and MARTINIS!

                      unk unk sip unk unk

                      sorry, punchy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      Martinis??? I'm there! Oh, wait, aren't there some other drinks we could find that are less expensive and yet also produce that nice fuzzy feeling that seems necessary on a Friday afternoon?

                      (I enjoy hijacking threads...lets keep going. )
                      "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                      • Geez - y'all are started to sound as catty as the folks who post on the dressage forum.

                        Just chill.

                        talloaks - folks who take an OTTB often give them a few months to "let down" I think it's called. Meaning, let them be a horse, eat grass, sleep in the sunshine, groom, etc. They are often sore, tired, emotionally exhausted, etc. They work hard and could use a vacation. So keep that in mind when the vet comes out.

                        Also - if you think something really bad is going on - have the vet take blood. Drugging is bad joo-joo regardless of whether you have the horse vetted or not.

                        But talloaks - she's most likely going to work out just find and be a great horse. If she doesn't, or you two just don't match well, I know you'll do the right thing and sell her. CANTER really is a great organization and they have a wonderful reputation.

                        And the rest of you - play nice or go play in the dressage forum. Post something about teaching a backyard pony tempi changes and you'll get lots of action.

                        We've all had bad purchase experiences at one time or another - and we all react differently - and rarely objectively.
                        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                        -Rudyard Kipling

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                        • Since no one has looked at my thread about the mens pants I saw today, lets have a drink and discuss them. They were corduroy pants with riding knee patches sewn on them! What the heck??

                          Now this makes me feel two ways. One is that I don't think it looked good at ALL and was rather silly. The other was that it's about time men start having fashion dictated to them and have to invest in the yearly changes to keep up. It's only fair. We shouldn't be the only ones victimized by the fashion industry!
                          "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by J Swan:
                            Geez - y'all are started to sound as catty as the folks who post on the dressage forum.

                            <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Hey! I resemble that remark!

                            Oh, and if you ever go on the dressage board you'll notice that we love swinging frying pans and Aunt Esther's purse--and then bending the arms with a few martinis and maybe even throw in some mud wrestling.

                            Martinis and mud wrestling--and now men's pants with riding knee patches.
                            "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Velvet:
                              Since no one has looked at my thread about the mens pants I saw today, lets have a drink and discuss them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Velvet,

                              Is this a discussion like the 'Chocolate" discussions we have on the breeding board? Sorry to be dense ...

                              If so, heck. Men's pants? With kneepatches? Where's the fruitbat.
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                              The bray of bragging tongues."
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                              • if you choose not to get the horse vetted, then that's the risk you take. Sometimes it works fine, sometimes it doesn't. It's worked both ways for me, and when it went wrong I only had myself to blame. Were the sellers dishonest? I don't believe so. You'd be amazed at the things people a) don't notice b) don't care about c) just plain forget when they have a lot of horses coming and going. If you're being very accusatory and aggressive toward the seller, I don't blame them for not calling you back.. I probably wouldn't either!!
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                                • I don't know. Are the chocolate discussions like the baby recipes on the dressage board?

                                  Oh, no. Now I'm SURE someone will come out here and start posting the baby vindaloo recipe.

                                  Forget I mentioned it.

                                  Yep. "Self" patches on the pants. They were normal looking corduroy pants with the exception of the riding knee patches. Just bizarre. Now if they were either jod style or better yet (in some cases) breeches and they sold matching fashion boots for the men, that would at least be interesting.
                                  "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                                  • OK&lt;I wasn't going to post on this thread, because I just didn't want to be contributing to bumping it up, but since it's already on top I guess I'll give my 2 cents....

                                    OK, so Talloaks made a mistake, and in her dissapointment and anger, she posted out of emotion, and wrote some things that she probably shouldn't have. Big deal. I think that there are MANY of us who have posted before really thinking about what we are typing first. And so she made a mistake about buying the mare. I'm pretty sure that she realizes this now. I for one don't blame her for being dissapointed that the mare cribs. Yes, she should have done a pre purchase exam, yes, she should have asked teh right questions, but beyond that, why jump down her throat for being bummed that the mare has an unexpected vice? And I am still wondering why this thread has turned into a debate on is cribbing learned behavor or not. I think their are good arguments for both sides, and its just one of those things like which is the best grain to feed, that not everyone is going to agree on. Also, my goodness, just because of a few posts made by Talloaks suddenly she is a breeder not worthy of being trusted?? I also don't think that the mare is out in some dry lot, being starved of food and attention, on the back part of her farm. I'm sure that she is having the time of her life, munching on green grass, and playing in the pasture, and I am sure that Talloaks will either find her another great home, or figure out how to deal with the mares vices and possible unsoundnesse she may have. All that said though - jumping on the other side of the fence here - I don't think ANY horse that is bought of a racetrack for $4,000 or whatever she cost, was ever in danger of going to the "meat market" andneeding saved. The racetrack is not just some horrible place, with a bunch of miserable horses that are all in need of us running out and "saving" them. There are PLENTY of happy, healthy racehorses who get better care then *gasp* even (insert your name here) horse(s) do(es) and who love their job.

                                    Taken from the CANTER FAQ:
                                    Does CANTER vouch for the soundness and health
                                    of the horses for sale through the program?
                                    This answer depends on two different situations:

                                    1. Trainer Owned Horses: If the horse is listed directly by the racing trainer or owner and is not one of the CANTER Owned horses, then CANTER DOES NOT OFFER ANY GUARANTEE ON THE PHYSICAL CONDITION OR BEHAVIOR OF ANY OF THESE HORSES AT ANY TIME. Buyer and seller carry full responsibility for the acquisition, transportation, care, and soundness of any horse. All statements made on the website with reference to any horse listed in the Trainer/Owner sections of the various affiliates are the descriptions of the trainers/owners of their horses and are not verified by CANTER. As with any horse sale, CANTER recommends a veterinary prepurchase examination.

                                    2. CANTER Owned Horses: If the horse is listed as being CANTER Owned, then CANTER does offer a 30 day guarantee. CANTER must be notified and the horse must be returned to the foster home designated by CANTER. It must also be returned in the same physical condition as when it left CANTER’s ownership. To prevent this and have less stress and movement for the horse, CANTER recommends a veterinary prepurchase examination to assure the buyer that the horse they are adopting from CANTER is suitable for their needs. We believe if YOU are happy, that our horse will be happy!

                                    Does CANTER have volunteers that will help me at the track?
                                    Yes. CANTER does have a limited number of volunteers that will act as free guides to serious buyers. These volunteers do NOT offer advice on purchase or physical condition of any horse but are there to assist you in finding the barns you need and helping you with the logistics of your trip and understanding race track backside etiquette. Contact a CANTER affiliate to check availability and to request a guide

                                    If you truely wanted a broker prehaps you should've gone with Shelly Mix with Mix and Match, but I am sorry all the same.

                                    (***edited because my computer decided to post before I was finished)
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                                    • So, Oldenburg Mom, tell me more about the chocolate! Yummmmmmmmm...love chocolate.
                                      "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
                                        Maybe you think it is silly but the way things worked out with this mare it was not that easy. First of all during this Northampton canter sale, or whatever you want to call it, Hay Worthy ran on Sat, came in last, and the trainers left with her. How could the vets at the track that were available to a vetting on a horse that wasn't there???? The trainer didn't return my calls for days, they were in MA and then in CT and had the horse at their farm. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        You had the choice to find a local vet or to go on & find another horse that could be vetted. No one forced you to buy her without a vet check. If you need to have a vet check, don't buy a horse if you can't get one done.

                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Okay--- my trainer looked at the horse today---she is so far from being racing fit that when she ran on the 18th she couldn't have been fit. You know what happens to horses when they are overworked???? Okay. enough said. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Your trainer can tell if the horse is racing fit by looking at her? That's one hell of a trainer you have there. Of COURSE you both will be finding all kinds of OTHER fault with her now. After all, you were swindled.


                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Another thing I have thought of is that these lower end race trainers don't send their horses to the decent sales which require full disclosure of cribbing, so they must only be familiar with the(here we go again) the meat sales because the meat sales don't ask any questions and don't require any disclosures. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Totally low blow and truthfully a bunch of crap.

                                        I'm so sorry the whole world, including CANTER, conspired against poor little old you in order to send you a POS mare and swindle your money from you.

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                                        • Velvet, you post a picture of those pants and I'll mix you a chocolate martini!!!!

                                          Hmmm, still no PDs. Very sad state of affairs. Where's my drink? And my ski mask, for the hijacking

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