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"The horse threw her off...." How do you feel about this phrase?

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  • "The horse threw her off...." How do you feel about this phrase?

    How do you feel about the phrase "the horse THREW me off..." (THREW being the operative word)? For some reason, not sure why, but it just drives me nuts. I have met very few horses that actively try to throw their riders off. They may stop at a fence and you may fall off. They may bolt because they're scared and you may fall off. They may buck because they're fresh and, you guessed it, you fall off. Young ones that are just being started under saddle, yes they may actually be trying to throw you off. Comments?

  • #2
    I have seen many a horse simply throw a fit and deliberately try to get someone off their back. When I was a kid, my Arabian mare would intentionally try to scrape you off by running under a tree or close to something when she was in a snit.

    With most decently trained horses, I attribute someone's being thrown off to their own ineptitude. I generally use the term "dumped" and in my mind it connotes my doing something wrong as much as the horse. When I got dumped the last time, I look back and know that, if I had handled things differently, I would never have come off.

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    • #3
      If the horse does something with the intention of shedding his rider, then he threw the rider off. So, if a horse bucks due to high spirits on a frosty morning, you fell off. If a horse waits for you to get off balance and bucks for the purpose of getting you off his back, you were thrown off.

      And I think there are more cases of a rider being thrown than the young horse just being started under saddle. For example, I used to know a lesson horse who started spinning out from under his riders when he felt them get a bit off balance. He didn't seem to mind the rank beginners so much, but students who had advanced to the point where they could actually insist that he work were the ones he dumped. It finally happened to enough different students under very similar circumstances that it was recognized as a deliberate act rather than just a random spook.

      Oh, that reminds me of another lesson horse from my childhood who used to try and brush his riders off on the big vertical I-beams in the walls of the indoor arena. Very, very rarely someone would come off him, but he was so slow and obvious about it that you had to be really distracted or just totally oblivious to get caught.

      And then there was my first pony. Believe me, he bucked with the express purpose of removing his rider.

      And what about a dirty stopper? I have no personal first-hand experience with one, but my impression is that they are indeed trying to get rid of their rider.

      But in most cases, I agree with you. People fall off, they aren't thrown off.
      "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
      that's even remotely true."

      Homer Simpson

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      • #4
        Same as "my dog got attacked by a porcupine" : chances are, the porcupine didn't come look for your dog, and chances are, your horse didn't intentionally get you off his back.

        Of course, the throwing off may apply but can be better worded as in "bucked me off/reared/whatever", because we all agree the horse does not pick you up with his hooves and actually throw you to the ground.

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        • #5
          There are many different expressions for different situations.
          I fell off
          I was bucked off
          I slid off
          My horse disappeared from under me
          I was thrown off

          The last phrase is adequate for the horses who deliberately try to get rid of their rider. I have known a few of those. The ones who drop a shoulder and stop, the ones who buck to get the rider off, the ones who jump fine, land, then stop dead and drop their head...THOSE are trying to throw off the rider.
          Ottbs - The finish line is only the beginning!

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          • #6
            If horse actions result in rider being "catapulted off", then I consider horse to have "thrown their rider" as opposed to rider being inept, going off-balance and falling off.

            Getting "dumped" off a horse, is a great way to cover a lot of situations in ways of coming off the horse. Lovely word, dumped. Horse is NOT helpful that day, fresh, spooky, but your horsemanship skills are not less that day than another. Horse just got you at a bad time, you came off.

            Getting upset by a phrase, is setting yourself up for a lot of frustration. You WILL continue to meet the bad phrase, can't change people with no knowledge behind their use of phrases they hear. Give up correcting them, just making yourself unhappy, will make you get an ulcer over it! You just smile and move beyond it.

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            • #7
              If my horse bolts sideways and I slide off, I fell off.

              If my horse spooks, stops, playfully bucks, trips....I fell off.

              If my horse bucks because he's in pain, I fell off.

              If he rodeos me off because he's throwing a tantrum and doesn't want to cooperate, then he threw me off.

              There's a zillion and one situations in which a horse and rider part ways, most of them are the rider falling.

              Luckily his method of saying "I've had enough, mom!" is to scoot around the ring, hardly has a buck in him

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              • #8
                Consider, also, that saying a horse threw its rider doesn't necessarily speak to intent on the horses's part. As far as I'm concerned, you can fairly say that a horse who bucks out of pure freshness has thrown its rider (when the rider in fact comes off, obviously), even if the buck was not expressly intended to unseat the rider.

                It's like the difference between manslaughter and murder. You can deliberately act in a way that kills someone without actually MEANING to cause the other person's death. You still killed that person, even if that was not your intent.
                Your future is created by what you do today, not tomorrow.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by skyy View Post
                  How do you feel about the phrase "the horse THREW me off..." (THREW being the operative word)? For some reason, not sure why, but it just drives me nuts.
                  Ditto.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Windsor1 View Post
                    Consider, also, that saying a horse threw its rider doesn't necessarily speak to intent on the horses's part. As far as I'm concerned, you can fairly say that a horse who bucks out of pure freshness has thrown its rider (when the rider in fact comes off, obviously), even if the buck was not expressly intended to unseat the rider.
                    However....

                    We don't say "The boat threw me overboard." Boats can be unpredictable, but have no intent to dump us in the drink.

                    Or...

                    "The bike threw me off !"
                    Bikes can be unsteady, but they don't have intent either.

                    How did you skin your knee ?
                    I fell off the bike.

                    End of story.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mardi View Post
                      However....

                      We don't say "The boat threw me overboard." Boats can be unpredictable, but have no intent to dump us in the drink.

                      Or...

                      "The bike threw me off !"
                      Bikes can be unsteady, but they don't have intent either.

                      How did you skin your knee ?
                      I fell off the bike.

                      End of story.
                      Boats and bikes don't have the ability to act or move of their own accord, absent external forces. Horses do.
                      Your future is created by what you do today, not tomorrow.

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                      • #12
                        Most of the time "I fell off"
                        One time only- "she put me on the ground."- mare wanted to run away from VERY SCARY shadow. I said "no". She said, "fine, let it eat you then" bucked me off, ran a safe distance away and resumed eating grass.
                        ~Former Pet Store Manager (10yrs)
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                        Mom to : 2 Horses,3 Dogs, 1 Cat

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Windsor1 View Post
                          Boats and bikes don't have the ability to act or move of their own accord, absent external forces. Horses do.
                          True, but my post was referring to intent (in reply to someone who brought it up).

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                          • #14
                            Well, there's always "Ed"..I'm pretty sure he had "intent" to remove the rider..gawd..

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUaP0t5IUnM

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                            • #15
                              I had a horse that was more than capable of throwing me off, in one buck... flinging might a more fitting term.

                              The one I have now is more likely to shake me loose.

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                              • #16
                                I fell off, jumped off (once, kind of) and got thrown.

                                I fell off one old schoolie who had a rather remarkable skill to unseat riders. Twice in one lesson...but I do not consider it thrown.

                                On the other hand, I had this old gelding, who had launched me, with no chance of landing in the saddle. I consider that thrown...

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                                • #17
                                  I find it really useful - it helps me to sort out the real riders from the people who just think they ride.

                                  If bugs me and I'll usually question the person who made the statement: "How did you fall off?" "What did the horse do?" "Why did it do that?" "Do you really think he "threw" you off, or did you actually fall off?". If they continue to say they were thrown off, I'll use a bicycle analogy, or make a flat statement like "if you were looking up and your heels were down, you wouldn't have come off. So you fell off, the horse didn't care if you stayed on or not, he just spooked at the grass / refused the fence / tripped etc."

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                                  • #18
                                    It doesn't sound right to my ear, petty I know. "I was thrown" is okay, but "threw off" doesn't sound right.
                                    I do agree there is a difference when one falls due to the intent of the horse.
                                    i am however fine with the wording "I was launched like a rocket at Cape Canaveral"

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by skyy View Post
                                      How do you feel about the phrase "the horse THREW me off..." (THREW being the operative word)? For some reason, not sure why, but it just drives me nuts. I have met very few horses that actively try to throw their riders off. They may stop at a fence and you may fall off. They may bolt because they're scared and you may fall off. They may buck because they're fresh and, you guessed it, you fall off. Young ones that are just being started under saddle, yes they may actually be trying to throw you off. Comments?
                                      I agree, OP. There was a mom at our barn awhile ago who, whenever her daughter fell off, always said the horse "threw her." It used to bug me. There are instances when the horse deliberately unseats the rider, but they are rare IMO.
                                      I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by phoebetrainer View Post
                                        I find it really useful - it helps me to sort out the real riders from the people who just think they ride.

                                        If bugs me and I'll usually question the person who made the statement: "How did you fall off?" "What did the horse do?" "Why did it do that?" "Do you really think he "threw" you off, or did you actually fall off?". If they continue to say they were thrown off, I'll use a bicycle analogy, or make a flat statement like "if you were looking up and your heels were down, you wouldn't have come off. So you fell off, the horse didn't care if you stayed on or not, he just spooked at the grass / refused the fence / tripped etc."
                                        You are exactly right.
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