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  • I agree that children need to be educated about the difficult things in life, but only when they are old enough to understand the feelings and put some sort of reasonable limit on them.

    An eight year old raised on a farm may be fully capable of participating in butchering animals. Most pony crazy eight year olds raised in suburbia should know where hamburgers come from, but probably should not see pictures of butchered horses or the violence so proliferate in today's television, video games, etc. Children need to be both protected and given the skills to deal with what's out in the world.

    I think the magazine should have come with a warning for parents. Where is Tipper when you need her?

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    • I think the discussion that is has prompted here is excellent and lets face it obviously a small percentage of the overall reaction it is creating throughout the horse community.

      I honestly can say regardless of my feelings I DO understand the objections related to the article and the photographs....I still applaud Practical Horseman for doing this..but can say yes I see what issues about this, not slaughter in general, have bothered some readers.

      That being said, in my opnion, this is a reality of the horse industry..the WHOLE horse industry....whether for pet food, by products, human consumption...horsemeat is that...Saddlebreds, Thoroughbreds, Warmbloods, to the slaughter houses it makes no difference if the horse was a reining champion or a backyard pet that was never ridden.

      In fact with all of the criticism of people just wanting to show and win ribbons...and getting away from the basic principals of good old fashioned horsemanship...a magazine that has George Morris Photo critiques and lesson plans and articles about A show trainers and horses, riders, etc....that they would have an article like this is really incredible....because it is all of our issue..not a guilt trip not a pro or anti stance...just an issue that we all have to recognize and have to admit exists.
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      • And now my turn to say, HEAR HEAR Moesha. It really ISN'T about whether you are pro or anti. What it is about is exposing it as a hard and unsightly fact.

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        • Here's a question (honestly) - what happens to OTTB's who are not bot for hunters, etc. Are THEY slaughtered? Also, what about greyhounds OTT who are not adopted? Aren't they killed? I seriously do not know.

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          • Many, many, many OTTBs end up at slaughter. They race, then either go to stud or become broodmares or try to find a new career as a sport or pleasure horse or are retired to pasture or go to slaughter. And the percentage that go to slaughter is quite large. I would like to know what percentage of the annual foal crop eventually goes to a slaughterhouse.

            Greyhounds are placed in homes as pets when possible, but a whole lot are just put to sleep when their racing careers are over.

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            • I have tossed that one, not because I don't think it should be known and because life isn't always pretty, but because my daughter is only 9 and would be incredibly distrubed by the graphics.

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              • Couldn't read all nine pages, but, I am sure glad I read some of the posts before I got my PH. It astounds me that this magazine would print this type of article- not because it doesn't need to be said, and not because we should not be aware of what is going on, but it is a RADICAL departure from anything they have ever done before. I can't remember reading so much as an editorial about anything like this in the past, or even remotely controversial. It would have been smarter for them to kind of "ease into it" this way than to catch their unsuspecting readers by surprise and throw them into shock.

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                • tks badger - those outcomes were my suspicion...and yes, I'll bet the numbers are horriffic!

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                  • It's probably good that slaughterhouses exist. It's a better alternative to the life that some horses are forced to live.
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                    • Quick question for the non-meat eaters (NOT making a comment either way)... Do you all use synthetic tack? Feed your horses biotin? Any of the other animal products that are a daily part of our sport. Not trying to be snippy, just a question.

                      Rather than trying to rid the world of slaughterhouses, we should direct our energies toward the more humane treatment of animals. Like others have said, our collective efforts could help improve the transportation and actual slaughter conditions.

                      Inverness, I'd love to hear more about your contact's humane slaughter system.
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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tiramit:
                        Inverness, I'd love to hear more about your contact's humane slaughter system. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        This may be related to Inverness' slaughterhouse... we had a talk with a psychologist in college (when we were talking about different career directions, etc). She had actually found a niche career working as a consultant for several places including slaughterhouses. She assisted in the design of a few- designed to reduce the stress of the animals as much as possible- curved pathways leading to the chutes, etc... I just thought that was pretty interesting (but since stress and fear makes meat tougher and less tasty, there is interest in this sort of thing within the industry- it makes good business sense to be more humane... not all slaughterhouses have that figured out,, though)

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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seahorse:
                          Here's a question (honestly) - what happens to OTTB's who are not bot for hunters, etc. Are THEY slaughtered? Also, what about greyhounds OTT who are not adopted? Aren't they killed? I seriously do not know.

                          My horse bucked off your honor student!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          I have a friend with a rescued greyhound. Yes, they are destroyed if not rehabilitated and at some tracks they are highly monitored like the tb's because of the gambling. However in many ways it is scarier since greyhounds are smaller and can be hidden and destroyed in some very inhumane ways.

                          There were interesting threads here a while ago that pointed out that the slaughter issue may have statistics higher with quarter horses, grades, paints than ottbs, so it's not just a ottb issue. I know of ottb rescues, but does the aqha have one?

                          I am with the camp that wasn't bothered by the pictures, adults read the magazine as much as children and it's a reality that should be discussed rather than hidden. However I'm also with the camp that it happens to cows and pigs as well and horse people frost me when they take the stand that those animals are denser so it affect them as much.

                          Rescues are growing, but the cost to render and care for these animals is going to always be a factor and rescues that are going to survive are going to have to face that. Some can take the moral high ground because auctions and slaughter houses take the animals they don't choose for rehabilitation, and those animals greatly out number the ones they can choose.

                          So yes, I think right now the auctions and slaughterhouses act as pounds, and while humanely are not the equivalent, economically are more efficient which is why they aren't going away. I think slaughter methods for all animals need to be improved.

                          This is a bigger issue than just saying slaughter is bad and that is the only problem I have with the article.

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                          • Tiramit: I'll answer for myself, as someone who doesn't eat beef but does use leather (I am a pretty odd creature myself, given that I choose not to eat mammals but I do eat fish and foul, use leather, and foxhunt; it's an odd combination that works for me ):

                            I do drink milk, and I would be comfortable keeping dairy cattle myself. In that scenario, I would also make use of cowhide harvested when an animal died of natural causes, had to be put down, was stillborn, etc. Leather lasts a LONG time and is a biproduct of the beef industry and is not the industry unto itself. I don't think that using this biproduct is supporting an industry that violates my personal belief system: I think leather would be available and would be something I would use even if the factory farming was no more, so I do use it. My jumping saddle is leather, my dressage saddle is a synthetic Wintec.

                            We use to have a guy at work that called himself Vegan, but he drove me crazy: he wore leather, he ate cheese and cookies and other things made with eggs and dairy products, and he ate meat when it was convenient. I hated that he called himself Vegan, because he wasn't. I have a great deal of respect for the people who hold strong beliefs and back them up with actions: the Vegan lifestyle is not easy and I applaud those who choose it and live it. It's not for me, it's not what I believe. It also bothers me when people call me or others who eat any animals "vegetarian." All I personally avoid is mammals, i.e. red meat, which for me is something I would not raise and kill myself. That doesn't make me a vegetarian by a long shot, but you would be amazed by how many people think it is.

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                            • I read through some of these posts. I, too, took a double take when I saw the issue. I am not offended, though, only saddened by the nasty reality of commercial slaughter.
                              I don't understand why you would want to "protect" anyone from seeing the facts, though. Children and adults need to know what the meat industry is all about. The "industry" is the reason I chose not to eat meat and support the way that the animals are raised and killed. It is not the matter of killing that I have a problem with, it is HOW they are raised, transported and killed. Not kind at all. Eating meat is reality. Why should anyone that eats meat not know what it is all about? Maybe if more people actually saw this--in person, they would force the industry to change. Consumers drive it, they CAN change it. Years ago, the whole family helped when it came time to raise, slaughter and clean an animal. I never remember my father saying that he was traumatized as a child when his father killed the chickens for dinner.
                              To me, it all boils down to respect. Respect for that life, being thankful for having the food if you choose to eat it and taking care to keep suffering to an absolute minimum.
                              I don't find "humane" guns and bleeding out any more nasty than clubbing. The farmer up the road kills his rabbits by clubbing them. He provides this meat to the Inn at Little Washington. Humane guns are not 100 percent--nothing is. They don't kill, anyhow, they just stun. The animal dies by bleeding out (per government rules).
                              I am not anti-meat, just anti-cruelty. I choose not to eat it and support the industry.
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                              • I said it before and I'll say it again--i have no problem with the issue being raised for discussion or written about. The manner in which it was done in this instance is what bothers me.

                                The problem we always come to on this topic is one of impasse--you folks aren't going to change my mind, nor am I going to change yours, and the rest is just language.

                                I am not in favor of banning equine slaughter because I have seen absolutely no proof that banning it will do anything to improve the quality of life, or anything else, for horses. In fact, in my view, I have seen much more evidence that banning it within the continental US will only increase the suffereing of horses. Do I think it's "good"? He!! no, it sickens me, but for the moment, it's the best of a host of bad solutions. My fervent hope is that one day it won't be necessary because the supply side will have dried up. In the meantime, I choose to focus my energies on the steps betweeen the horse in someone's home and it's end in the plant, rather than the mere fact that it has an ending. It's as simple as that for me--I'll keep my own nose clean, and make the best decisions possible for my horses, and you should feel free to do the same.

                                But for those ofyou who feel slaughter is the ultimate evil, and should be stopped no matter what, I'm sure my argmuent moves you not at all.

                                Something else occurs to me--so many of the anti-slaughter folks here accuse those of us who found the manner in which this story was presented bad as "being naive" or "burying our heads in the sand" and feel that the horse world in this country is purposefully ignorant of this practice. My question to you would be, wouldn't sending the practice out of the continental US just make that worse? I mean, if there are no slaughter plants here, but the horses are still bing shipped across the border and overseas for slaughter (which will NEVER be prevented, IMO), then isn't that far more "out of sight out of mind" than having it HERE, where we can keep an eye on it and fight for humane enforcement of rules and laws? It seems to me the endgame of that philosophy says, as long as I don't have to have it in my state/country/backyard, then the problem is solved. Well, I don't think so. Unless of course you believe in the current way of thinking that says the US should get to dictate to the rest of the world how to live, in which case I guess we better get ready to invade Japan, Europe, Mexico and Canada.JMHO.

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                                • Greyhounds are often not put to sleep. Many are illegally shot. Hundreds, maybe thousands (I don't remember), were found shot in Arizona a few years back with their ears cut off because of the identifying tatoos.

                                  Just recently, a guard in Jacksonville was paid off to kill greyhounds by shooting them. They found them in Alabama, I think. In Florida, it is illegal to transport greyhounds out of state to euthanize them.

                                  INVESTIGATORS FOUND EVIDENCE THAT THOUSANDS OF GREYHOUNDS HAD BEEN KILLED AND BURIED ON THE PROPERTY OF ROBERT RHODES OF LILLIAN, ALABAMA. RHODES, A RACING INDUSTRY VETERAN, WAS MOST RECENTLY EMPLOYED AS A GUARD AT A NEARBY FLORIDA DOG TRACK. Rhodes freely admitted that he shot the greyhounds for $10 a head as a favor for Florida breeders and trainers. He first took up his trade for a South Dakota dog track 40 years ago and has been providing his "kill for hire" services for the dog racing industry ever since. Baldwin County District Attorney David Whetstone likened the conditions of the property and the mass grave to a concentration camp for dogs. A veterinarian who autopsied four of the most recently killed greyhounds determined that most were shot through the neck, mouth and elsewhere, indicating they suffered before dying.
                                  Source: Pensacola News-Journal / Brett Norman CNN.Com / Associated Press/Mobile Register / Brendan Kirby May 22, 2002

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                                  • When I adopted my Greyhound, about 95% were being destroyed. Its so much worse for dogs because its so easy to breed a bunch of them.....people have no problem breeding 100 to get one winner.

                                    Tiramit, most vegetarians/vegans realize that it is impossible to live a 100% non-animal product lifestyle. The issue is not "all or nothing." Many choose to REDUCE using animal products, knowing they cannot eliminate using animal products.

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                                    • Practical Horseman is not exactly "Highlights for Children." It really is not targeted to an 8 year old. I did a google seach but didn't find readership demographics for PH: anyone have them? Can you tell us the age range the editorial content is supposed to be geared towards?

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                                      • Good for PH for tackling an unpleasant reality. I'm off to renew my subscription so I can read the article.

                                        As for the Fast Food Nation book - I've read it and learned some horrific things about the slaughter houses. Another excellent book that covers cows and other species is Old MacDonald's Factory Farm.

                                        My goal is to cause as little suffering to other souls as possible. I am vegetarian. I have sold my three pervious horses with a clause that I will take them if their (new) owner cannot retire them when the time comes. I am not wealthy and do not have my own farm so retiring them will require sacrifice. One I'm willing to make.

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                                        • Heather, I believe that most of the people on all sides of this issue, posting here, are definitely NOT burying their heads in the sand. Not everyone in the horseworld is reading horse boards and debating and just becoming generally informed. I applaud PH's article/pictures for the readers who are not posting & thinking here.

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