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  • While I can appreciate and respect the sentiments, many form the Mothers of young children here. I again applaud Practical Horseman, for this long overdue article.

    They say a picture is worth a thousand words...and that we are a visual society....I think that we have become more desensitized and that there is a lot of irresponsibility in the horse world....This is just a needed reminder that this exists..don't forget that.

    Here is alink to a resort in The Alps in response to the Foal Meat consumption question.

    http://www.dolomiti.it/eng/gastronom...spezzatino.htm
    "All life is precious"
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    • As a child and teenager, I helped slaughter chickens, pigs, and cows on my parents farm. I did not have nightmares...I had to help and you do get used to it. The animals were humanely and painless killed and we knew that. We also knew that they were raised for that purpose. My ponies were companions and not animals raised for meat anymore than my dogs and cats were. That thinking has stuck with me all my life...right or wrong. I do feel like horses are different somehow...more sensitive and intelligent perhaps? Perhaps that isn't true but that's my prejudice.

      I do take offense to the idea of factory farming and big slaughterhouses where the animals are not treated well and are frightened in the process of slaughter. At this point in my life, raising my own animals for meat is not practical but I would gladly support someone who did. I'm not quite ready to become a vegan and do not tolerate soy products well so I may be stuck eating meat.

      I also would appreciate more info on this humane, modern slaughterhouse mentioned earlier.

      "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

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      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Have you ever read the descriptions of the ones waiting to be clonked on the head? They know exactly what's coming,... they can smell it.

        And no, we do NOT need red meat to live. We do need protein which can come from a WIDE variety of sources.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        honey i work in the industry i FULLY understand what goes on in a slaughter house....also humans need 20 ammino acids...12 of those you can ONLY get from red meat, not from soybeans, or peanuts or whatever, its impossiable because our bodies cannot produce the ammino acids, amino acids make up proteins, they have to be in a specific order for our bodies to use them and they ONLY occur in red meat....that my friend is a scientific fact.

        im leaving this topic alone now because i as most of you dont ask for a bashing...

        and i do agree with you Oldenburg, if your going to be against slaughter, dont go to McDonalds and have a hamburger.....

        oh and another thing to everyone who eats soy products as a substitue for meat...do you even know whats in your soybeans??? that 80% if the nations crop is Genetically Modified...and about 95% of that crop goes straight into the food supply....

        ~Patty~

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        • all living creatures will die. cats,dogs,people,horses,etc.but, as a meat eater , i beleive that it is my personal responsibility to ensure that the meat that i eat comes from a place where the animal has a high quality of life,up to and including how it is slaughtered.i am fortunate enough to be able to raise my own poultry and pigs. they are all raised in a natural way,they run around and play and eat foods that they are designed to eat. they are also given medical attention when needed,and shelter from the elements. so,they may have short lives,,but the quality of life is very high,,even higher than wild animals. none of my meat animals will die of starvation,disease,or be killed by another predator.{well not if i can help it!} i would support legislation that forces more natural methods of raising meat animals,,more slaughterhouses instead of less,so animals don't have to travel so far to their final destination,and a stress-free and humane method of actual slaughter as possible. if we were willing to spend more $$ on our food,,we could make this happen. in fact, i buy my beef at the health food store from a local ranch that practices this. sure i pay a lot more,,but i eat less as a result,and feel healthy. for me,i think that the problem is really about big business farming,,where the bottom line is the most important part of the equation. i have made it an important part of my lifestyle to avoid supporting mega-businesses or farms, because of my belief that the animals that feed us deserve our care and respect,from beginning to end.

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          • TO me it is you are either okay with animals being killed for meat or you aren't, regardless of the animal. One is no better or worse than another and it is hypocritical to think otherwise. No one animal has any "more" right to live than another regardless of sentimental factors. Burying one's head in the ground, believing that if I don't know or my kids don't know then it isn't happening.

            Kids have to face the facts of life at some point. How do explain your child's first funeral viewing? For goodness sake there is more blood and guts on the news, in video games, etc. that children see on a daily basis but the PH pics are suppose to traumatize!?!

            I feel that it is worse to allow your children to grow up in a dream world, only being exposed to what is nice and good than to being exposed to those three dark pictures. Part of raising your children is about showing them how do deal with the negative of life, the unfairness and the cruelty. Being a parent who would rather bury their head in the sand is a dis-service to the child. I think we underestimate what are children can and do handle. They are tough little people who in their own way reason around the negative of life. What is so wrong with your child getting upset by something like this? Maybe they becoming a vegatarian from it, or become an animal rights activist, or just make a conscious effort that for that day they are not going to take their blessings (their pets) for granted. Their pony will get that extra rub, the extra sugar cube, and that extra praise. Maybe they should cry over those pictures, they are life. What is wrong with crying over them?
            Okay,getting off my soap box now. Have to say, though, all the discussions here are very eloquently put regardless on what side everyone is at. It is so nice to see!


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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
              All I can say after reading the rest of this thread is:

              1. I feel like I'm going to barf.
              2. I can't stand the thought of eating any more animals.

              One more convert to vegetarianism.

              __The adventure has begun...__
              KT
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              Umm... so this is the first time it occured to you that meat = animals?
              I am an animal lover just like everyone here, and I eat meat. I don't think that makes me a hypocrite. In a perfect world, I would raise and kill my own food, but not everyone can live on a farm (in fact I will be very surprised if by the time I'm buying property I can even afford a horse property, the way land is going).
              That said, I am all for changing the slaughter process to be more humane. I also didn't think the pictures or the article were as sensational as everyone here thought they were. They are small and dark and I honestly had to look twice to see them. The article is purely business about the laws. After reading the first 4 pages of this thread, I was really expecting a three page spread with huge pictures blaring out at you.

              If you want to be a veggie, that's a personal choice (and honestly, I'd love to be one, unfortunately I am just a carnivore by nature ). But don't call others "immoral" or "bad" because they don't choose to eradicate meat from their diet.

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lisa Cook:

                I *know* about slaughterhouses, I am upset and shocked about Ferdinand's fate, but I DON'T want to see pictures of it! Just because I care not to see gory pictures - and in my PH the pictures were NOT dark, and I instantly could see all details in the photo - doesn't mean I'm in denial about the situation..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                I'll just have to say I disagree. I agree with Moesha, that a picture is worth a thousand words. I'm just using my own personal experiences. Yeah, I knew all about the Holocaust, but seeing something, like pictures of starving people, piles of human bones, was a WHOLE new experience. It made me MUCH more empathetic to the situation. Same with the slaughterhouse pictures. I'm not even going to talk about the ethics of slaughter, but in order for ME to form an informed opinion, I need the pictures. I applaud PH for having the courage to show them. Like I said before, we all need to be shocked every now and then.
                The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VC:
                  also humans need 20 ammino acids...12 of those you can ONLY get from red meat, not from soybeans, or peanuts or whatever, its impossiable because our bodies cannot produce the ammino acids, amino acids make up proteins, they have to be in a specific order for our bodies to use them and they ONLY occur in red meat....that my friend is a scientific fact.
                  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Sorry, honey...but you're wrong again. You might work in the industry but it's one that done an awfully bad job of educating you. Yes, certain amino acids *are* present in animal flesh. However, they ARE also present in other sources! Sometimes, it is necessary to *combine* certain sources to get all of them, but you most CERTAINLY CAN get all the necessary amino acids from food sources other than animal flesh. There are legions of non-meat eating humans that not only survive but in fact thrive without eating flesh. I know this all may come as a shock to you having been educated by your industry, but I assure you, as an honors graduate from a midwestern agricultural college with a bachelor's degree in biology and a minor in chemistry, it's all true.

                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VC:
                  oh and another thing to everyone who eats soy products as a substitue for meat...do you even know whats in your soybeans??? that 80% if the nations crop is Genetically Modified...and about 95% of that crop goes straight into the food supply....
                  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  This would also be why I buy as many certified organics as I can get my hands on -- please don't assume that the elimination of animal flesh from our diets has somehow made us stupid and uninformed as well.

                  ****
                  NYHR

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Umm... so this is the first time it occured to you that meat = animals?
                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    No, fleur, it is not. I'm 52 and I've been eating meat my entire life. And I lived in France for 4 years where they sell poultry with the head and feet still attached. You KNOW you're eating an animal. At the "gibier" game is hung, right there in front of the shopper.

                    But the older, and presumably wiser, you get ... well, your views change. And to be honest, the image of a horse with <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"their eyes were as wide as saucers, their ears were back, and they pranced in place because they had nowhere to run" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                    will probably stay with me for a very long, long time.

                    And although it's a horse, don't anyone kid themselves that it's any different for a cow, pig, etc.

                    Actually, that just eats at my gut...

                    The adventure has begun...
                    KT
                    "For God hates utterly
                    The bray of bragging tongues."
                    Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

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                    • I got my PH issue, and I don't think the pictures are all that bad. They are small, and actually, it's not all that obvious that the horse is dead - only the head and neck is visible. A small child probably wouldn't notice.

                      The article itself is ok, but IMHO it was more of an editorial "this is what you can do to end equine slaughter" than an informative article. I might further point out that it's all about banning equine slaughter for human consumption - which, IMHO, is disingenuous. Horses killed for pet food are killed the exact same way.

                      Finally, there's no suggestion of what will happen to these horses instead. Will they be shot with bullets? Euthanized by lethal injection? Shipped alive to Mexico?

                      In the United States we will continue to kill animals for meat for human consumption. What's important to me is that the animals have a good life while they are alive, and that they are transported and then killed in the least stressful manner possible. The species of the animal isn't so important to me. Piggies are pretty cute, too. And y'all saw Chicken Run, right?
                      If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                      • Serendipity...

                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>This would also be why I buy as many certified organics as I can get my hands on -- please don't assume that the elimination of animal flesh from our diets has somehow made us stupid and uninformed as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Well said.

                        The adventure has begun...
                        KT
                        "For God hates utterly
                        The bray of bragging tongues."
                        Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

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                        • I haven't seen the article, but what an excellent thread it's spawned. After being a loyal subscriber for years, I dropped my subscription several years ago as I thought the mag had gone dramatically downhill. I'm now prompted to subscribe again.

                          Several thoughts from reading this thread:

                          • I was on business in the UK during the height of hoof and mouth disease, and I quit eating mammals and doubt I ever will eat one again. The more I thought about factory farming and slaughter, the more I realized how far removed it has become from the pastoral scenario that I feel ethically acceptable. IMHO, we owe a great more care and comfort to the entire experience/life of a cow that we are going to kill for our own food than many modern factory farming scenarios and feedlots provide. I did a lot of thinking and realized how uncomfortable I am with the sanitized food industry we have in the States where the end product is so removed from the source animal. It's not quite as removed in Europe. In German, the german words for meat all included the root "flesh," basically "pigflesh" or "cowflesh" right there on the menu. In France, when you go to the market, the beef butcher has pictures of cows over his stall, and the horse butcher has pictures of his beautiful broodmares and foals over his stall. All this made me do a lot of thinking about: (1) why would I eat beef, pork, lamb, deer when I wouldn't eat horse? (2) if I am unwilling to raise and slaughter an animal myself to feed myself, is it right for me to pay for someone else to do the "dirty work." For me, as I have grown to appreciate and respect the emotional lives of my horses and dogs and cats, I realized the same is probably true for cows and for me eating one is NO different than eating the next. Now, given no other practical options, I would eat horse rather than starve. But I do have options. So then I asked myself: would I be willing to raise a cow, slaughter it, and eat it? Answer: I'd rather plant corn or gather berries. I feel I would, however, be willing to raise and kill poultry. So I quit eating red meat, mammals, but still eat poultry and shellfish. This works for me.

                          •I have every respect for someone who acknowledges where their red meat comes from, accepts the conditions the animal lives and dies under, would be willing and capable of raising and slaughtering the animal themselves in order to eat it. It's the people who are unwilling to think about and acknowledge the "unpleasantness" of slaughter and factory farming and that eat meat but would not be willing to slaughter themselves that I find issue with.

                          •I dont' imagine slaughter, or any death, is particularly "humane" in that a life IS taken. You can't get away from that. But if an animal is treated well in it's life, is transported safely and comfortably, and if it's death is quick, relatively painless, and involves very little stress, then IMHO that scenario FAR outways the cases of abuse and neglect some horses suffer by people unwilling to put them down or send them to slaughter. In Germany, when someone can no longer keep a horse, rather than sending them "to auction" the owner can drive the horse directly to the slaughterhouse, sell him directly, and ensure control of everything that horse experiences up until the last couple minutes of his life. Sure, this is tougher on the emotions of the owner but MUCH better for the horse and much fairer to an old friend who has paid his dues over the years. For owners who want to insure their horse doesn't suffer neglect or abuse but can't keep the horse any longer, they get a financial benefit for selling him as meat rather than putting him down, and the horse doesn't have the fear of passing through strange hands at a salebarn. I think this system is much more humane than ours.

                          • Last year, on another business trip to London, I saw a BBC documentary in which they followed a calf's life from birth (I think her name was Daisy), through growing on the farm, through transport, and finally through the actual bolt-to-the-head and butchering at the slaughterhouse and packaging in the supermarket. Graphic? Yes. But actually the whole thing was much more reasonable than I ever would have guessed and I'm glad I saw the show. I think more people SHOULD see pictures and video (and yes, I've also seen disturbing video of cow slaughter gone wrong) and have discussions and make INFORMED decisions about what is acceptable for themselves. In that regard, I'm impressed with PH for publishing the impetus for this sort of discussion.

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> oh and another thing to everyone who eats soy products as a substitue for meat...do you even know whats in your soybeans??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                            Do you know what's in your meat??? Antibiotics, growth hormone, and heaven knows what other drugs!

                            SillyHorse
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                            • Badger, excellent post!!

                              The elimination of meat from my diet started with exactly the same thought process as you've detailed in your first bullet. I always (joke) with my husband that I'd sooner eat him than starve , but since we are blessed with such excessive abundance, why do it now? I'm certainly in no danger of starvation.

                              I also think Candian residents are allowed to accompany their animals to slaughter. That's got to be better for the animals.

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                              • A century ago, horses were nothing more than another farm animal, just like cows and chickens. It is only in the last century that horses have made the quantum leap to be considered as pet animals (by us, not by gov't standards)and so deserving of an elevation of status in their treatment. Slaughterhouses for horses were only killing another farm animal when they started; all that has changed now.

                                In this country, horses are very much a pet animal, and so I think the legislation should respond to those feelings, IN THIS COUNTRY. Other countries have very different cultures and beliefs, and we are in no position to dictate to them (unless, of course, your last name is Bush) about what is right and wrong with the idea of slaughtering horses. So, ban the slaughtering of horses here and the owners of unwanted horses will be forced to come up with an alternative.

                                As far as those people who feel that once you own a horse, you should keep it for life - GET REAL!!! There are millions of people who do not own land, never will, and would have to board that horse for the rest of its life. This business, in ALL disciplines, is rooted in the ability to buy and sell horses for all the reasons that horses are bought and sold. If EVERYONE kept EVERY horse they ever acquired, where would the market be for buyers? If you have an OLD or permanently injured/lame horse, then yes, you should be responsible for seeing that it either has an appropriate retirement home, or is euthanized. But to make the sweeping edict that if you bought a horse at 5 and must keep him forever is insane.

                                Laurie
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                                • I'm jumping in without reading the whole thread here, but I've heard that the book, Fast Food Nation, gives an excellent history on fast food, slaughter, etc. I recently purchased it although I haven't started it yet. If anyone's interested it might be worth a go.

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                                  • Glad PH did the story and had the guts to put pictures with it. The whole horse industry from the breeders to the owners to the slaughterhouses has to change. We need change the seemingly over supply of horses. Horsemeat is in high demand in Europe and we supply alot of it by breed way too many horses and allowing many of the SEEMINGLY useless horses to go for food. Many organizations look for donations of horses, but many people want money for their horse so they look elsewhere. The slaughterhouses will always pay. We need change and it is happening through tougher regulations, but not fast enough and not good enough.

                                    " I must not forget to thank the difficult horses, who made my life miserable, but who were better teachers than the well-behaved school horses who raised no problems." Alois Podhaisky, director of the Spanish Riding School 1939

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                                    • Sounds like PH has another thought provoking issue...and it sure provoked an interesting discussion here.

                                      And LaurieP...well said.

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lauriep:
                                        As far as those people who feel that once you own a horse, you should keep it for life - GET REAL!!! There are millions of people who do not own land, never will, and would have to board that horse for the rest of its life. This business, in ALL disciplines, is rooted in the ability to buy and sell horses for all the reasons that horses are bought and sold. If EVERYONE kept EVERY horse they ever acquired, where would the market be for buyers? If you have an OLD or permanently injured/lame horse, then yes, you should be responsible for seeing that it either has an appropriate retirement home, or is euthanized. But to make the sweeping edict that if you bought a horse at 5 and must keep him forever is insane.
                                        Laurie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Insane to you, perhaps! To some of us, horses are more than BUSINESS! Some of us actually love our horses, not just see them as monetary worth to be bot & sold...

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                                        • I'm not saying that the pictures and story shouldn't be told. I do think that PH is not the place for it. Like other's I will cancel my subscription and write to the editors to help them understand why.

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