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  • Well, whaddaya know. I get home tonight and this month's PH is in my mailbox. Of course, I immediately went to check out the photos in question.

    In all honesty, they weren't all that bad. Not nearly as awful as I had expected. As Janet said, they're very dark and not exactly easy to see what it is (I still can't make out that top picture even though I tried).

    Horse slaughter is out there. I don't think we do anyone a service by hiding our heads in the sand and not looking at it for what it is. And, honestly, I've seen more gory photos of human beings on the nightly news.

    As for my thoughts on the whole slaughter issue. Well, I'm torn.

    I hate that horses are slaughtered. Hate it. Yes, I do eat meat (though I'm trying to cut back). I guess that makes me a total hypocrit, but it just seems worse for horses. Horses are bred, raised, and trained to be trusted companians. I'm sure cows and pigs can be very tame and friendly, but I don't trust them with my life as I'm heading towards a scarey jump. Is that a rationalization? You betcha!

    I wish no horses ever had to be slaughtered. But I'm really on the fence about the whole issue. I'm not sure banning slaughter wouldn't lead to worse consequences for unwanted horses. I'm still trying to make up my mind about that.

    Finally, as much as it bothers me that horses are killed, my main concern is that I don't want them to spend their last few days in terror or pain. So I'm much more concerned about the issues regarding transportation to the slaughter houses and the horses treatment while there.

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rye:
      Actually Dragoon, I wasn't even thinking of horsie stuff on TV. I was thinking more along the lines of human stuff: the news is full of terrible things happening to people.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      I saw a lot of human death through movies and tv as a child, but you know what really got me? Old Yeller's death. The part of the Red Pony where the buzzards attacked the horse. Etc. Somehow pets and animals are different - it seems to have more of an affect on kids.


      ___________
      Dragoon, I'm with you:

      "Make slaughter more humane, I say. Yes, there have been instances of abuse and inhumane practice, but that is cause to amend the process and change it for the better. Spare the poor horses a more dreadful trip south of the border or a miserable end in some abandoned field. But if you support the slaughter ban, that's your choice. I'm not going to pass judgement."


      ____________
      LIHS, I have been thinking the same thing:

      "breeders take heed, and sellers take heed, I think the result of the Ferdinand debicle will be more awareness as to what goes on........breed carefully, skillfully, teach people to be RESPONSIBLE horse owners, hold your horses close to your heart........and as owners/riders/horsepeople,respect them, carp, they didnt deserve this..."

      _______________

      Basically I view the slaughter of horses in the same light as the pound for dogs and cats. Until the horse community as a whole assumes more responsibility for their actions, then the slaughter will be a sad, but practical solution to a large population of expensive to maintain animals. Just because a horse doesn't end up at the slaughter house doesn't mean that it has a positive quality of life. There are plenty of horses who are ALIVE but are poorly fed, ignored, unsheltered, not wormed/vaccinated, shod, etc. and left to die in their field. Hard to decide which is better for the horse.
      "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right." -Henry Ford

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      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BetsyPony161:
        I haven't read that yet, but I think I'll pass on that issue...that is horrible. The worse part about it is that it's something that happens everyday to these poor animals. But there are too many children that read that magazine that do not need to see pictures of that nature.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        The pics and children

        Personally, I think the pics are good for children to see. Today we sanitize the world for many of our kids. Maybe the pic of horse in a slaughterhouse will make little Tommy or Tammy think twice about wanting to get a new pony when their pony is no longer as sparkly new as say the girl's next door. Or maybe it will make our future generation more aware of the fragility of the world around them and that the wrapped up plastic meats in the grocer's were at one time living creatures.

        I don't think those pictures will terrify a kid or cause it emotional distress. When I lived in France a few years ago I knew many kids who helped on the farm butchering the animals for their own tables. In my little country area it was considered hey.. if you want to eat beef then you need to be aware of how the beef gets onto your dinner plate.

        Just my thoughts. Kudos to PH for making all of us aware that Dobbin so many times and too often ends up in a feed lot on its way to slaughter than in a green pasture like Black Beauty.

        Christina

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather:
          But at 8, what, exactly can she DO about it? That's the problem. So she gets all worked up, cries all night, but at the end of the day, she can't DO anything but cry and worry. The idea that that's "good" sickens me. Unless you are suggesting that she get her parents to buy said pony, because you know, all horse people are rich and can afford to start collecting horses.

          I just find the idea that you think a kid becoming hysterical and upset over something as a CHILD she had no control over very, very, sick.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          This is a paradox to me. Pictures of a horse in a slaughter house (I have not seen the pics as of yet perhaps tomorrow when the mail comes) is too graphic and horrifying for an 8 year old to see... YET... so many movies, tv shows, video games are by far more violent than presumably a picture shown in PH?

          I find it very bizarre that many of the kids I encounter daily from all different types of social classes seem to be sheltered from the PH ugliness in the world, but most of their entertainment is based on subjects I find on the whole more disturbing then showing what can happen to Dobbin or the old school pony when their owners are unable or unwilling to take care of them past a certain point of useability.

          I am also weirded out that through entertainment we as a human race are desensitized to human suffering and human carnage.

          I am like a few other posters--- make the transportation and the holding conditions more humane not only for equines but for pigs and cattle and any other slaughtered animal.

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          • Just out of curiosity, how many of you old farmhands have slaughtered your own animals for the freezer? Each year we slaughter a pig for my husband's family. The pig(s) are shot in the head with a rifle. My in-laws just like to make sure the animals are healthy and "organic" as in hormone etc free. We have little kids of 8 or so helping with the butchering. Believe me it is an all day job. I have no idea how our grandparents managed.

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            • I don't know if I would call the pics unnecessary since it is obviously something that needs attention, but I would say that those images have haunted me since I picked up my PH 2 days ago. I literally was sick to my stomach. I am 21 and they deeply disturbed me, so I would say "no" on letting young kids see them....

              And by the way, I am a vegetarian (since age 4), so I already took care of the "no meat" thing.

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              • Well, I guess this is an issue I will have to miss. I read this magazine at night to relax and I don't need pictures like that to give me nightmares. I have enough trouble sleeping with all the other crap in my head. And no, I'm not putting my head in the sand here - I know full well what happens at slaughterhouses and because of an overactive brain, really wish I did not.

                Like other posters, I see no need to frighten little children with graphic images of their favorite animals being slaughtered. And, regardless of what happens on the farm, the reality is that fewer and fewer children have that experience. I think that all too soon they learn the reality of what's out there.

                I also agree that we need more humane standards in the industry. But no way is the consumption of meat ever going to stop. All the crusading in the world ain't gonna make it happen. And the other reality is, that while it is not an option for us, for some folks sending horses off to feedlots is just business. Some people don't have that attachment to their animals. Plus, where are we going to put all the injured or sick animals or the vicious ones? In an ideal world it wouldn't happen, but we don't live in a an ideal world. I don't like the idea of slaughterhouses, but realize they are a necessary evil.

                And I'm not the only one disturbed but how inured to human suffering and the atrocities men commit against each other we (as a society) have become. I see it in myself - I can watch autopsies all day long (well,most of them *G*) and see folks coming into my hospital with bits falling off or out and not blink, but the thought of a horse or any other animal being slaughtered for food makes me ill. I don't know how to resolve that conflict and I suspect many others find themselves equally conflicted. There are no easy answers. My own band-aid solution: I stopped eating meat. I think we need to find our own answers in our own way - I personally choose not to be terrorized into my decisions.

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                "Cats aren't clean; they're covered with cat spit."
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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lucky2day99:

                  Personally, I think the pics _are_ good for children to see. Today we sanitize the world for many of our kids. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  But this isn't for Practical Horseman to decide. It's the decision of the parents of the children. If it was entitled "Practical Slaughter", then parents would be fully informed that this type of thing might appear within it's pages.

                  I know slaughter exists and I don't want to look at it. I know brain surgery exists as well, and don't want to deny it's existance, but I don't want to look at it either. I know people are put to death in the electric chair. Don't want to see that either. I know a girl who is has bulimia, but I don't want to watch her vomit. Doesn't mean I'm turning a blind eye to her troubles or putting my head in the sand. It means I don't care for graphic images, especially if they are forced upon me without warning.

                  Two Toofs
                  (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                  • All I can say after reading the rest of this thread is:

                    1. I feel like I'm going to barf.
                    2. I can't stand the thought of eating any more animals.

                    One more convert to vegetarianism.

                    The adventure has begun...
                    KT
                    "For God hates utterly
                    The bray of bragging tongues."
                    Sophocles, Antigone Spoken by the Leader of the Chorus of Theban Elders

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                    • I'm lucky enough to be able to get my hormone-free, grass-fed beef from a friend's ranch. They use a new, state of the art slaughterhouse that sets the standard in humane practices (no feed lots!). Among other things, there is a veterinary staff on site 24/7 to ensure that no animal suffers (or is unduly stressed) at any time from arrival at the facility to final disposition.

                      I feel ok about eating this meat but I will not eat beef (or pork) from any other source.

                      A person is prohibited to eat until he first feeds his animals.

                      - Babylonian Talmud, Berakhot 40a
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                      • I believe that as riders and horselovers we need to know about and/or see the realities of the slaughterhouse. That said, I'll probably avoid the issue of PH.
                        I hate the way horses live from pillar to post. If some gruesome photos bring the reality home to a couple of folks, good.

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                        • Originally written by Teal Tea:
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Actually Ferdinand's original owners could have prevented his fate- by not selling him in the first place. Once you sign over the papers, you have no control over the horse's future. You shouldn't put yourself in the position of trying to save the horse you sold, ever read Black Beauty? Instead make sure he stays safe w/ you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Teal Tea (and everyone else who thinks horses shouldn't be sold), did you breed and raise every horse you've ever had? If not, then SOMEBODY sold that horse you love so much to you, with no guarantee the the horse would never end up in the slaughterhouse. And if you did buy your horse, your arguement doesn't hold water.

                          As far as PH's article goes, I commend them for printing it and the photos. Slaughter is with us, and it's unlikely it will ever go away. Probably the best we can hope for is to improve conditions for the animals that are to be killed, cattle and horses alike. From what I understand, a horse's trip to the slaughterhouse can be far worse than what happens after it gets there.

                          SillyHorse
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                          • SillyHorse, I believe I understand what Teal Tea is saying. The day Ferdinand left the hands of his owners, he became the property of someone else. In other words, the future treatment of that horse was no longer their responsibility or business for that matter. I shake my head when I read how horrified his former jockey is and blah, blah, blah. This horse made all those millions for his original owners. He in fact made very little for his final owner. I think it's terribly sh*tty that he was slaughtered as well. But my disappointment certainly wouldn't be directed at the final owner, it would be at his original owners for whom he made all that money. That alone SHOULD HAVE guaranteed him a safe retirement. Again, before I get flamed for saying everybody is obligated to keep their horse forever, that is not what I am saying. Nor is Teal Tea. The bottom line is "you sell them, you lose control of them."

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                            • I haven't gotten my copy yet... so I don't know exactly what the pictures show. However, I do know a lot of anti-slaughter people who show pictures of horses being butchered to shock people. Here's the thing- after the captive bolt gun does its job, it's over. The rest of it- as bloody and gorey as it might look, doesn't matter. We have to remember that a creature, once dead, cannot feel any of this stuff that makes us so shocked and appalled.

                              I'm also a bit tired of the attitude that it's OK to do to cows, but somehow more inhumane to do to horses. The procedure is exactly the same, after all. I've been around the farm when animals were slaughtered- and yes, it looks really disturbing and there's blood everywhere... but after the initial "conk" it's over. It's not inhumane- the animal's not feeling any pain at that point.

                              Silly of me to comment on something I haven't seen yet... but can't help myself sometimes.

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                              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dragoon:
                                No I know, but I was referring to the fact that (for some strange reason beyond my comprehension ) we - or I, for instance - seem to be able to take the human carnage without blinking, but if a horse is put down in a movie then we get all upset.
                                _<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                ONLY because you arent exposed to it on a minute by minute basis.

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moonjumpr18:
                                  _I completely agree with PH for the article and the pictures_. I know that it is extreme to put a horse being clubbed, but don't you think that is what will get people AGAINST it? Most kids, teens, people have NO IDEA that horses and espically foals are a delicacy in Europe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Can you point to a good reference for this? Just the other day I was reading that foals are generally not so well received, because unlike calves, their meat is not tender. Additionally I believe I read that foals are generally sent to feedlots to grow as they have to be a certain size and weight to go to slaughter. I'm not sure where I read all this, or which is right, but any references would be appreciated


                                  Additionally- as for the "kids read the magazine" issue... frankly I think kids are a lot tougher than we tend to think. My mom tried to shield me from all sorts of stuff. By the time I was eight, I knew what sex was about, where hamburgers came from, and had even helped slaughter some chickens on my grandparents' farm. I think, even if it's traumatic for kids to see this and it upsets them, that it's not the emotional-life-ending trauma that some people seem to think it would be.

                                  I also think we should give kids more credit for being able to "do" things about what they believe. I've seen twelve year olds in my hometown raise tens of thousands of dollars for causes they believe in. The thing kids have going for them is that "anything is possible". They haven't been wrecked by the "real world" yet, and I think we should give them a lot more credit for being able to handle these things, and also we should give them more credit for possibly being able to do something about it, too.

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                                  • I keep having the urge to play the film clip from A Few Good Men

                                    You can't handle the truth!!!

                                    Anyone a good Jack Nickolson impersonator? Unfortunately many people would prefer to not know the truth.

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm lucky enough to be able to get my hormone-free, grass-fed beef from a friend's ranch. They use a new, state of the art slaughterhouse that sets the standard in humane practices (no feed lots!). Among other things, there is a veterinary staff on site 24/7 to ensure that no animal suffers (or is unduly stressed) at any time from arrival at the facility to final disposition. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Will you please tell us more?

                                      The adventure has begun...
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                                      The bray of bragging tongues."
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                                      • I believe that the article is doing just what it was intended to do provoke and educate. Kudo's to PH.

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                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pixie Dust:
                                          I keep having the urge to play the film clip from _A Few Good Men_

                                          You can't handle the truth!!!

                                          Anyone a good Jack Nickolson impersonator? Unfortunately many people would prefer to not know the truth.

                                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          I *know* about slaughterhouses, I am upset and shocked about Ferdinand's fate, but I DON'T want to see pictures of it! Just because I care not to see gory pictures - and in my PH the pictures were NOT dark, and I instantly could see all details in the photo - doesn't mean I'm in denial about the situation.

                                          Two Toofs said it perfectly - brain surgery exists but I have ZERO desire to see pictures of it in action. I know that slaughter exists, and I have ZERO desire to see pictures of it action.

                                          The article got the point across about slaughterhouse conditions with clear descriptions of the horses in the slaughterhouse: "their eyes were as wide as saucers, their ears were back, and they pranced in placeb ecause they had nowhere to run"

                                          Pictures were not necessary.

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