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  • #81
    Thats aweful, I don't get that magazine, but look through them when I visit the bookstores. I think one of the upsides is to alert horse owners to the severity [sp?] of what happens. I read on it a while ago and it sounded really terrible. I mean some of it can't be helped, but it sounded like one of the most inhumane things I've ever heard. Even though I might drop to the floor or something just as bad at the sight, I give it a thumbs up as well.

    The mighty brute surged through the woods. His legs flailing at the barren soil, pushing himself out of the woods. His silken tresses whipped the air as he soared across the earth with wings on his feet. He was not bounded to anything, he had no limitations, he was wild and free. --To Tame The Wind

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    • #82
      I have been to slaughterhouses. The captive bolt stunning of the cattle I saw was humane. The particular operations I saw also had good holding facilities . IMO, the animals were treated humanely.
      The problem at some plants - for all animals including horses - seems to lie more in the transportation and handling areas. No animal should have to suffer pain and excessive fear while awaiting its fate. I think this was a particular problem with horses in this country because the facilities and procedures werent always set up for horses and because the horses are more easily frightened and unused to the type of handling than some of the other livestock.
      The only issues I have with religious slaughtering (including Jewish and Muslim) are the issues of restaint and consistency. Yes, a cow restrained correctly in a state-of-the-art chute that has its throat slit skillfully does not suffer. However, reading the reference HelloAgain provided makes it clear that not all (or probably most) facilities use the best type of restraint. And since health laws forbid the animal from falling to the ground, some slaughterhouses will hoist a cow, fully concious, by a hind leg before its throat is slit. And then theres the problem of being accurate, clean and precise with the knife which must be kept extremely sharp.
      I have no problem with eating meat. While I would not eat horse meat any more than I would eat dog meat, I cannot say that others should not. However, all animals deserve humane treatment until and including death.

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      • #83
        Actually Ferdinand's original owners could have prevented his fate- by not selling him in the first place. Once you sign over the papers, you have no control over the horse's future. You shouldn't put yourself in the position of trying to save the horse you sold, ever read Black Beauty? Instead make sure he stays safe w/ you. I know that's not possible for some b/c of ec reasons, but if you can afford to maintain a new horse and the reason you sold your old one was for the new one, that's not an excuse. Keep your horse and lease another one for those big shows you have to attend.

        For the kiddos, I'd suggest Young Rider. This magazine is geared towards their age level.

        [This message was edited by teal tea on Jul. 23, 2003 at 08:41 PM.]

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        • #84
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by poltroon:
          The Simpsons have done several good episodes touching on the issue of kids, meat, and slaughter. I personally like the faux Beef Industry filmstrip they show the kids where the cows go in, icky noises occur, and meat comes out.

          "That cow would eat you if we gave him the chance!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          That one was on tonight!!

          You Cant win friends with SAAAA-LAD!

          Whoa, whoa, whoa! Slow down Jimmy. You just asked a mouthful.
          It all starts here, in the high density feed lot. Then, when the cattle are just right [swipes his finger along the top of a cow and licks it] Yum...it's time for them to graduate from Bovine University.

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          • #85
            Kudos to PH for bringing up an issue like this one, knowing that folks would react in the same way that many of you did. Too many people turn their heads and don't face what needs to be faced- the unfortunate fate of so many horses here and abroad.

            Dressager
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            • #86
              Ferdinand's owners were TB breeders. They had every reason to believe that he was going to be standing at stud and treated well. It's unrealistic to think that no breeder should ever sell any of their horses, and if they did, none of us would own one.

              Stay me with coffee, comfort me with chocolate, for I am sick of love.
              Stay me with coffee, comfort me with chocolate, for I am sick of love.

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              • #87
                I completely agree with PH for the article and the pictures. I know that it is extreme to put a horse being clubbed, but don't you think that is what will get people AGAINST it? Most kids, teens, people have NO IDEA that horses and espically foals are a delicacy in Europe. So they would definately not know how terrible the killing part could be. Sometimes we just need to find out how it is done, and how bad it looks for us to be TRULY against it; instead of us just looking the other way and saying that we're against it. And it is with that much ignorance comes shelter (may be a little too much). So, yes, talk to the kids and ask them if they know that horses are killed for consumption, and if they seem like they are mature enough, show them the pics. It could only boost their enthusiasm for whatever they feel.

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                • #88
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daydream Believer:
                  I think every horseperson should be aware of the horrors of a horse slaughterhouse as long as they exist. It's so easy to look the other way isn't it?

                  "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                  I agree. Good for them.
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                  • #89
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Serendipity:
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dragoon:
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lisa Cook:
                    I'm fully aware that slaughterhouses exist. Just don't prefer to see pictures of horses being clubbed to death, especially since the accompanying article covered the topic just fine. The photos were sensational and unnecessary, in my opinion.

                    Have already written to Practical Horseman, telling them that if they are now in the business of printing color picture brochures for ALF, et al, then they can cancel my subscription.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    ATTA GIRL!! I feel the exact same way. I'm cancelling my subscription as well if they're even considering publicating animal rights' views...

                    ~Lindsey
                    *Napoleon*

                    __"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"_
                    (Admiral David Glasgow Farragut, US Navy) _<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Good grief, Dragoon...have you even read the _article_ or _seen_ the pictures??? It's not at all "animal rights" slanted....it's more legislative and informative if anything. The pics are small, and the article is buried on page 57 and is only a single page (including the three pics ).

                    This discussion needs a dose of reality -- it's NOT as if this was a cover story or even a spectacular expose. Rather, it's just an update on some legislative action and couple of photos to perhaps educate those who don't already know the circumstances. Sheesh...the Chronicles coverage was a lot longer last year and I don't recall most of you climbing on this soapbox _then_?

                    ****
                    http://www.nyhr.org<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    No, I just felt like screaming about nothing, thank you very much.

                    Actually yes, I have read the article and seen the pictures. The article is placed in a well-known part of the publication and the pictures are quite graphic by any standards. I have a pretty strong stomach, but pity the person who doesn't.

                    And coming from my point of view (strictly animal welfare), the article is slanted in spots. Especially so in the description of the occurrances of the slaughterhouse - as a critical point in the article, that could be very useful as a push to make slaughter more humane. However, how many people will put two and two together (description and photos) and let out an overwhelming war cry for the ban of slaughter? Probably quite a few. The wording, in several places in the article (ex: "how you can help to ban equine slaughter"), is slanted.

                    I hate slaughter, but I have to say that I see how it is a necessary evil. Slaughter transport must be more humane, and certainly not 5 years from now as a current piece of legislation implies. "Grandfathering" the double-decker trailers does nothing to improve the health and well-being of the horses bound for slaughter today.

                    Make slaughter more humane, I say. Yes, there have been instances of abuse and inhumane practice, but that is cause to amend the process and change it for the better. Spare the poor horses a more dreadful trip south of the border or a miserable end in some abandoned field. But if you support the slaughter ban, that's your choice. I'm not going to pass judgement.

                    And the point is that I'm on my soapbox now, and am currently stepping down.

                    ~Lindsey
                    *Napoleon*

                    "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
                    (Admiral David Glasgow Farragut, US Navy)
                    \"Horses change lives. They give our young people confidence and self esteem, they provide peace and tranquility to troubled souls, they give us hope.\"
                    - T. Robinson

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                    • #90
                      I mailed my copy of P.C. back to them with a letter to the editor first thing this morning. P.C. has fine writers and no need to publish graphic, tasteless photos to help sell their magazines.
                      If the article isn't well written enough to get people to read it without those type of photos, then the article shouldn't have been printed in the first place.
                      I agree with Nickelodian that those pictures were not suitable for younger riders. I will probably not renew my subscription. It will be interesting to see how many letters to the editor are printed.

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                      • #91
                        hmmmm.....the truth isn't always pretty. I am sure I'll be shocked by it when I get my PH in the mail. But good for them!(to answer a previous posters question...yes I think PH may have finally grown a set)

                        Yes, slaughter is not pretty, and yes it happens more times than some people would like to think. I think people just don't like to think about what happens to the older horses, or discarded ponies after their glory days are over. Some people are responsible for their creatures and others are not. People need to take off their rose-colored glasses, it would be nice if all horses were retired to perfectly kept paddocks, unfortunately that is a fantasy world.

                        Besides the name of the magazine is "Practical Horseman" not Idealistic Horseman

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                        • #92
                          Probably some of you think I'm a hypocrite, but I've helped raise beef cattle with my dad since I was a baby, and I LOVE beef, I don't equate cattle with horses at all, they are not the same sort of individuals.
                          That being said, I find that slaughtering horses is physically nauseating, disgusting, unsupportable. Additionally, while I was never under any illusions as to where my steaks came from, it was not something I needed to see as a young child. If you feel it's important for children to know that their dinner used to be a live chicken or cow, then tell them. Children are remarkably resilient. But pictures of even the most humane death can be horrifying to young kids, and should not be presented to children too young to comprehend. The PH probably meant to use shock value to encourage an upswell of support for the bill preventing slaughter of horses in the US. I support their motives, but WAY TOO MANY little kids read that magazine and are going to have nightmares.
                          Right motive, wrong tactic.

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                          • #93
                            Please! Kids see way worse crap on TV!

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                            • #94
                              I've been thinking about this for the past 2 days, ever since I got my copy of PH ( and YES us western people read it )
                              I was at first quite shocked, sickened, etc when saw the pics...and they arent that bad, just graphic, and unfortunately, quite totally true. People hear "slaughter" but have no clue as to what it means......PH showed you, tried to motivate you&lt;expressing my opinion and donning flame suit here&gt;........those pics are the reality...breeders take heed, and sellers take heed, I think the result of the Ferdinand debicle will be more awareness as to what goes on........breed carefully, skillfully, teach people to be RESPONSIBLE horse owners, hold your horses close to your heart........and as owners/riders/horsepeople,respect them, carp, they didnt deserve this...
                              I find fault with the breeders/sellers/owners&lt;previous/current&gt;did they not know what could result from their actions for the almighty dollar/yen..I don't think so.........this whole thing sickens me, and I speak as the owner of a 35 year old AQHA gelding who was humanely euthanized 7 years ago, and as the owner of a 23 ar old AQHA gelding who is spending the rest of his days with me.
                              &lt;folds up soap box....and dons flame suit

                              Eileen


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                              • #95
                                I doubt that ALF would want anything to do with Practical Horsman. ALF believes that humans shouldn't use animals in any way, therefore, all the articles about riding and training horses would be an abomination to them, regardless of how much PH tried to raise awareness of slaughter.

                                I am glad they printed the pictures. More horsepeople need to be aware of this issue. These aren't just rogues and nags going to the killers, but a lot of decent horses bred by people with good intentions. There simply are not enough homes for them all. Does this justify slaughter? Not at all. But everyone who thinks slaughter is horrible should think twice about breeding more horses.

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                                • #96
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rye:
                                  Please! Kids see way worse crap on TV!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Do they see horses being shot at, impaled, dismembered, and otherwise injured in malicious ways? It's one thing to see that happen to people they know (for the most part) are actors...a whole other story for them to see it done to horses. We all bitch about "Braveheart", but I don't hear of many young riders watching that epic.


                                  It's shocking to young kids.

                                  ~Lindsey
                                  *Napoleon*

                                  "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
                                  (Admiral David Glasgow Farragut, US Navy)
                                  \"Horses change lives. They give our young people confidence and self esteem, they provide peace and tranquility to troubled souls, they give us hope.\"
                                  - T. Robinson

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                                  • #97
                                    Actually Dragoon, I wasn't even thinking of horsie stuff on TV. I was thinking more along the lines of human stuff: the news is full of terrible things happening to people.

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                                    • #98
                                      No I know, but I was referring to the fact that (for some strange reason beyond my comprehension ) we - or I, for instance - seem to be able to take the human carnage without blinking, but if a horse is put down in a movie then we get all upset.

                                      I'm not poking fun at anyone, just noticing a trend. Horses just seem to be a whole other story.

                                      ~Lindsey
                                      *Napoleon*

                                      "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
                                      (Admiral David Glasgow Farragut, US Navy)
                                      \"Horses change lives. They give our young people confidence and self esteem, they provide peace and tranquility to troubled souls, they give us hope.\"
                                      - T. Robinson

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                                      • #99
                                        yeah Dragoon, I know what you mean. Maybe we have become desensitized to human carnage? That's kind of sad.

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                                        • I'm so glad my 9-12 year old students don't listen to me. I went back to the barn today after picking up the mail and said "Here, you guys, here's a whole stack of brand-new horse magazines - I haven't even looked at them yet!" Luckily, they wanted to watch more lessons instead.

                                          I know the slaughter industry exists. I think it's a necessary evil. I think the whole process should be as humane as possible. I think people should know exactly what the process is so that it's not entered into lightly. I absolutely think PH should have included the pictures in the article. But I think there should have been a big sticker over them with a warning. I shudder when I think of my office filled with crying little girls and how I would explain to their parents what happened at the barn today that gave their kids nightmares.

                                          And that's not to say that I think kids should be kept in the dark. I just don't think it's PH's job to teach them about the world.

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