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  • Thank you Heather, that post represents my thoughts exactly.

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    • I agree with Badger. This is a magazine written for adults (or at least teenagers and above) and is certainly not written for eight year olds.

      If you choose to let your young children read magazines intended for an older audience, that's fine but don't complain if it deals with adult subjects.

      Obviously this is a subject that is relevant to readers of PH (just look at this thread), regardless of thier stand on it.

      Please don't censor my magazines based on what an eight year old should or should not see.....

      If we manage, throughout our training to preserve both the gentleness and the gaiety of our horse we shall not, in the end, go very far amiss--Wynmalan
      If we manage, throughout our training to preserve both the gentleness and the gaiety of our horse we shall not, in the end, go very far amiss--Wynmalan

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      • If you want to keep kids from seeing "adult" issues, then let them read Young Rider Magazine instead. If kids will supposedly be traumatized by the slaughter pics, what about pics on breeding? sheath cleaning? rectal exams? Wouldn't those "adult" issues, too, traumatize their little souls?

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        • VC...you obviously dont know much about the horse slaughter industry...there are only 3 left in the U.S. and those are federally illegal...they most certainly do bleed the horses alive, they use the stun gun, yank em up by a hind leg and bleed them out while the heart is still pumping..it's a law that the only way horses and chickens so I would assume cattle also are bleed out while the heart is still pumping. The trasnsport to slaughter and everything leading up to when the horse is actually dead is one of the most horrific things I have ever learned about...for those of you who think it is all a bowl of cherries you need to to some extensive research on the subject and no I am not talking about researching the PETA pages or any other orginization like them...there is plenty of info out there from reliable sources if folks care enough to really check it out.

          Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves for we shall never cease to be amused.--Erin Mack
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          • boy all you folks freakin out about the kids seeing this...you ever think about the kids that grow up on farms that grow, raise and slaughter thier own food? Think these kids are scared for life? Not hardly...that's how I grew up, that's how a lot of my friends grew up...kids today are over pampered, kept blind and soft and not given nearly enough credit.

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              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seahorse:
              If you want to keep kids from seeing "adult" issues, then let them read Young Rider Magazine instead. If kids will supposedly be traumatized by the slaughter pics, what about pics on breeding? sheath cleaning? rectal exams? Wouldn't those "adult" issues, too, traumatize their little souls?

              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Big difference! Breeding, sheath cleaning, rectal exams are all routine horse care issues that kids (and adults) can realistically expect to see around the barn, if not actually assist with, in person.

              Bonking a horse on the head with a club and seeing blood streaming out of an upside down horse is NOT exactly something youngsters (or adults) would routinely expect to see in person out at the barn.

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              • Yes, BUT slaughter is the end-result of the life of many of the horses that kids (and adults) see around the barn — turning a blind eye to this reality does our horse and our children no favor in the long run.

                Dealing with older, infirm, or unwanted horses, and/or euthanising a favorite horse, ARE all things that younsters (or adults) would routinely expect to see in person out at the barn. And these scenarios are just different faces of the slaughter issue.

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                [This message was edited by Badger on Jul. 24, 2003 at 04:34 PM.]
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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lawgrl:
                  I agree with Badger. This is a magazine written for adults (or at least teenagers and above) and is certainly not written for eight year olds.

                  If you choose to let your young children read magazines intended for an older audience, that's fine but don't complain if it deals with adult subjects.

                  Obviously this is a subject that is relevant to readers of PH (just look at this thread), regardless of thier stand on it.

                  Please don't censor my magazines based on what an eight year old should or should not see.....

                  If we manage, throughout our training to preserve both the gentleness and the gaiety of our horse we shall not, in the end, go very far amiss--Wynmalan
                  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Very well put, lawgrl.

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Estelle:
                    kids today are over pampered, kept blind and soft and not given nearly enough credit.
                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    And they see far more disturbing images flicking through cable and mtv.

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                    • I am so not getting the 8 year old thing. I was less than 8 when one of our dogs was hit by a car and was carried home; stiff as a board. Boy was I sad. I was 8 when my mom took me to the pound to get a dog. She told me what happened to all the dogs who weren't being adopted. I saw the brochures in the ASPCA. Yeah, I was really sad about that too. I remember crying about it. Isn't that a part of growing up?
                      The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Estelle:
                        VC...you obviously dont know much about the horse slaughter industry...there are only 3 left in the U.S. and those are federally illegal...they most certainly do bleed the horses alive, they use the stun gun, yank em up by a hind leg and bleed them out while the heart is still pumping..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        I don't think anyone here has debated that point. However, once they're stunned/brain dead, they can't feel anything. So the heart pumping is rather a moot point.

                        As for kids- I agree with you Estelle about kids not being given enough credit.

                        Heather- your post pretty much sums up my feelings on the overall issue, as well- well put, much better said than I could say it

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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badger:
                          Many, many, many OTTBs end up at slaughter. They race, then either go to stud or become broodmares or try to find a new career as a sport or pleasure horse or are retired to pasture or go to slaughter. And the percentage that go to slaughter is quite large. I would like to know what percentage of the annual foal crop eventually goes to a slaughterhouse.
                          .*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Where is Two Toofs when you need him/her??

                          considering under 80,000 foals are registered per year, and this country only slaughtered roughly 60,000 last year (no breed census was taken) and AQHA registers 140,000 foals a year, and paint horses roughly 80,000 per year, and grade horses are somewhere around 120,000 per year...You do the math.

                          I think, based on my assumptions, that 1-3%% of TBs end up at the killers--much less than some people think.

                          We'll know for sure soon. TRF is funding a study to find out WHO is sending horses to killers. I think we'll find out its mainly grade and QH's.

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                          • Very true moose...very true...

                            Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves for we shall never cease to be amused.--Erin Mack
                            Any man who can render himself unconscious with a pretzel, isn't smart enough to lead the Free World

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                            • Problem is Grog they sometimes are not very stunned let alone brain dead when they are hoisted and bled out...not to mention the ones that get nailed 3 or 4 times before they get the right spot...I really wish folks that think it's not all that bad would go do some serious studying of it...I know I guy who actually worked in one, the horror stories he told were what got me looking into the issue so thoughly...

                              Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves for we shall never cease to be amused.--Erin Mack
                              Any man who can render himself unconscious with a pretzel, isn't smart enough to lead the Free World

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                              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> considering under 80,000 foals are registered per year, and this country only slaughtered roughly 60,000 last year (no breed census was taken) and AQHA registers 140,000 foals a year, and paint horses roughly 80,000 per year, and grade horses are somewhere around 120,000 per year...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                If that is true, then really doesn't that go to the whole argument of whether we "have" to have slaughter or not? I mean, if a smaller number, relative to the overall population, are going to slaughter, then is it a necessary evil, or couldn't we just require that horses be handled like dogs (i.e. - no slaughter)? Or is it maybe that a lot of the horses go over the boarders to slaughter and those numbers are not taken into account? Just wondering.

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                                • You should read the recent article put out by the president of Fasig-Tipton.

                                  Where would they all go?

                                  Fabulous read, great ideas.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badger:
                                    Yes, BUT slaughter is the end-result of the life of many of the horses that kids (and adults) see around the barn — turning a blind eye to this reality does our horse and our children no favor in the long run.

                                    Dealing with older, infirm, or unwanted horses, and/or euthanising a favorite horse, ARE all things that younsters (or adults) would routinely expect to see in person out at the barn. And these scenarios are just different faces of the slaughter issue.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Thank you!

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                                    • The Washington Post did a huge story on slaughterhouses. Just because there are some that are deemed humane doesn't mean they all are. The workers have it really bad too. It's an assembly line and people make mistakes. It's not unusual for the stun to miss and the animal ends up being butchered alive. You know, seeing close up shot of a cow, on the assembly line, with his eyes still open (this was in the paper) when he was supposed to be stunned & "out" was really gruesome. A whole different effect than just "knowing" it happens.

                                      I do not smirk. But if I did, this would be a good opportunity. - Worf
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                                      • Windward - thanks for that info - it is a good read.

                                        http://www.saplonline.org/Legislatio..._horses_go.htm

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by windward:

                                          Where is Two Toofs when you need him/her??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Rather sick of all of the race industry bashing that goes on here lately, without much protest. But boy oh boy if hunters were being stereotyped or painted with a broad brush, the dang server would probably implode.

                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>considering under 80,000 foals are registered per year, and this country only slaughtered roughly 60,000 last year (no breed census was taken) and AQHA registers 140,000 foals a year, and paint horses roughly 80,000 per year, and grade horses are somewhere around 120,000 per year...You do the math.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Actually there are no stats at all anywhere about the number of OTTBs (or any breed) that go to slaughter. Your figure of 80,000 is way too high - TB registry averages are in the 30,000-35,000 yearly, consistently without much difference at all, for the last decade or so. APHA runs about double that, AQHA about 5x as many (but both APHA and AQHA consider slaughter a necessary evil, the Jockey Club has officially spoken out against it, as well as most industry leaders).

                                          Most of the articles going around now because of Ferdinand are guesstimating (don't ask me how) that somewhere around 5,000 raceshorses/year are slaughtered. The statistics simply aren't available. I can tell you that at my track, calling up the killer when you need to sell a horse is NOT the norm and the percentage is not "high", like some folks just "figure" . Quite the opposite. Some people will do it, but most will happily brag to you that they would never do that to any of their horses.

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