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Holy scam batman!! - Final Letter on Page 12 - HE WROTE ME BACK, HE WROTE ME BACK ON PAGE 13!!!!!

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    Considering that I absolutely do NO on-line shopping, banking, etc. and the fact that my address is a box number in the middle of nowhere, I'm not too concerned. The fact that I've got more information about them...phone numbers, account numbers, etc. leads me to believe that when all this is done, they'll be gone pretty fast.

    The fact that this guy is using this lame scam in an attempt to get money and falls for me desperately wanting the paisley trunk and wanting to run away to Hawaii with him leads me to believe he's too stupid to figure out how to do identity theft, steal SS#, etc. If he knew how to do that, he wouldn't be doing the lame Nigerian scam!
    www.DaventryEquestrian.com
    Home of Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
    Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness
    www.EquineAppraisers.com

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    • that's an ignorant statement. it doesn't matter if you don't do any online shopping.

      you may very quickly find out, that all of a sudden, you are doing a WHOLE LOT of internet shopping...having supplied them quite unwittingly with everything they need, through the magic of the internet.

      remember, if you communicate with them, you are opening yourself up - WIDE OPEN.

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      • Original Poster

        Thanks for your concern slc
        www.DaventryEquestrian.com
        Home of Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
        Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness
        www.EquineAppraisers.com

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
          that's an ignorant statement. it doesn't matter if you don't do any online shopping.

          you may very quickly find out, that all of a sudden, you are doing a WHOLE LOT of internet shopping...having supplied them quite unwittingly with everything they need, through the magic of the internet.

          remember, if you communicate with them, you are opening yourself up - WIDE OPEN.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Hi slc,
          I am not challenging anything in your quote above. I don't do online shopping. Please help me understand what information, the minimum needed infomation, that could be harvested via the internet that would hurt &lt;me&gt;. I hear so much about identity theft...please educate me.
          I say this sincerely and thank you,
          June

          "The world's greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos"
          \"The world\'s greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos\"

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          • The thing is, the US can do NOTHING about the scammers in Nigeria. They have no control, don't over estimate the US' power...While our government controls so much here, they can only do so much over there.

            I agree with SLC, never underestimate a scam artist.

            -Kelsey-

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by June:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
              that's an ignorant statement. it doesn't matter if you don't do any online shopping.

              you may very quickly find out, that all of a sudden, you are doing a WHOLE LOT of internet shopping...having supplied them quite unwittingly with everything they need, through the magic of the internet.

              remember, if you communicate with them, you are opening yourself up - WIDE OPEN.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Hi slc,
              I am not challenging anything in your quote above. I don't do online shopping. Please help me understand what information, the minimum needed infomation, that could be harvested via the internet that would hurt &lt;me&gt;. I hear so much about identity theft...please educate me.
              I say this sincerely and thank you,
              June

              "The world's greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos"
              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Anything you save on your computer...Do you check your bank account online, your credit card statements via the internet?

              If you use IE, you are opening yourself up to a world of trouble, it's very, very unsecure. No browser is perfect, but IE is by far the worst.

              If you do your taxes on your computer, that information gets saved to your drive, and all it takes is someone sneaking into your computer to get your SSN, or anything else you may have done on your PC at one point in time.

              Just be careful, I always advise people to set up a firewall, and watch what they do and how they do it on their computer.

              Yes, it's your computer, but the internet just opens your computer up to everything bad in the world.

              I do all of my personal banking, taxes, financial or personal anything behind a firewall and I do not leave it connected to the internet when I am not using it.

              -Kelsey-

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              • I did notice that on the Western Union you gave your actual location of where you live, I think it would have been more prudent to make up something rather than use your actual location of where you live (regardless of whether your address is real or not). SLC makes a very good point.

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                • Thank you, Kelsey! I &lt;do&gt; have a zonealarm firewall and have had for a few years now...would that be good enough? And I don't do anything having to do with money on the computer I use for internet; I never access any financial information over the net and don't have my ss number on this computer. So would I be correct thinking I am OK?
                  I appreciate your time.
                  June

                  "The world's greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos"
                  \"The world\'s greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos\"

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                  • Original Poster

                    js, the address and phone number on the Western Union bill is for the Edmonton Police Department - Chief Of Police and I don't live in that city!!

                    Realistically, all he has to do is put 'Daventry Farms' in google and find out all the info. he needs. If he already had my email address and my first name, he already HAD that info. at his disposal.
                    www.DaventryEquestrian.com
                    Home of Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
                    Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness
                    www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                    • June-

                      You really ought to be ok, just make sure no other pertinent info is on there, like your SSN, your birthday, oh, I don't know, mother's maiden name

                      Just good for people to always keep their guard up. I have a friend who does a lot of *ahem* hacking (not in a bad way! Just into computers of people who let him for practice, etc.) and I have a lot of "acquaintences" (not considered friends) who do some not so nice hacking on the internet and I hear stories from them.

                      -Kelsey-

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                      • I dont think my scammer from this morning's emails is quite as well connected as Prosper seems to be.
                        I mean come on - what diplomat names their kid "Andrew Smith" ???

                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hes not for sale - read the ad - we are selling semen

                        Do you want some???

                        Cash up front (and not one of your scam ridden cashier checks / money orders either)

                        Good try ...


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: andrew smith
                        To: truecolours@cogeco.ca
                        Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:46 AM
                        Subject: bay & white sabino Thoroughbred Stallion


                        Good day seller,
                        I will like to state my interest in purchasing your advertised horse for sale.i will like you to get back to me with the least offer ,if its still for sale so that payment can be made out to you via U.S.A. cashier check.i wait for your speedy response.my regards,Andrew.
                        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        I guess that I wont be hearing from him anymore, or get to go to Hawaii either ...

                        "Spot"

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                        • Original Poster

                          THIS IS INTERRESTING READING!!! This email conversation comes directly from one of the most famous Nigerian Scam 'Con The Con Man' sites in which these guys do exactly what I'm doing. Since they do it all the time, I thought I would get their advice. Amazingly quick response as I just emailed them about 10 minutes ago!!


                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

                          Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:41 AM
                          To: tony@quatloos.com
                          Subject: Tony-the-Wonder-Llama_form


                          ************************************************** **************************
                          ***
                          Name: Tracy
                          email: daventry@direct.ca
                          city:
                          state:
                          country: Canada

                          question:

                          I am in the middle of wrapping up a 3 week back to back conversation with a
                          Nigerian scam artist. This is the second time I've done this and posted all
                          of the letters on my website.

                          I have basically had them running around looking for the money wire I
                          'supposedly' sent them, cost them time & money, etc.

                          Anyways, here's my concern...someone emailed me to warn me to be careful.
                          She thought if this guy gets mad enough (when he finds out I've been
                          scamming him) he'll do something like identity theft or steal my social
                          insurance number, etc. I'm thinking, if he's doing the Nigerian Scam, he's
                          too dumb to think up anything else or let alone, figure out how to do it.

                          Have you heard from anyone that had the Nigerian scam backfire on them when
                          they started messing with the scammer?

                          Thanks,
                          Tracy


                          -----------------------------------------------

                          No, the Nigerians simply go on to the next attempted victim. If you have
                          sent them any personal info (bank accounts or SSN) their next step will be
                          identity theft, whether or not you break it off.

                          Brad Christensen, using his own name, has actually been able to entice the
                          scammers to fly to the Rome airport to meet him and to take some other
                          strange trips and waste money. Although they've been absolutely furious,
                          they've never tried anything in the way of revenge against him -- they've
                          not going to come to the U.S. where they could easily be caught, and from
                          their viewpoint it's not profitable to pursue him.

                          Quatloos!


                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                          www.DaventryEquestrian.com
                          Home of Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
                          Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness
                          www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                          • Original Poster



                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

                            FROM THE DESK OF:
                            DR TOM TIDA.

                            ATTN: TRACY DOPKO.

                            OUR ACCOUNT’S OFFICER MR NWOSU PROSPER O, JUST RETURN FROM THE WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER OFFICE, AND WAS TOLD THAT THE MONEY IS NOT IN THEIR SYSTEM, AS THE CONTROL NUMBER DID NOT APEAR WELL, BUT THE OTHER INFORMATION ARE OK.

                            SO YOU ARE ADVICE TO CONTACT THE WESTERN UNION IN YOUR COUNTRY IMMEDIATELY TO CROSSCHECK AND CORRECT THE INFORMATION AND SEND BACK TO THIS OFFICE, SO AS TO ENABLE OUR ACCOUNT’S OFFICER COLLECT THE MONEY EASILY.

                            REGARDING THE ADDRESS ISSUE, YOU SHOULD JUST STATE IN THE SLIP (LAGOS-NIGERIA).

                            YOURS IN-SERVICE.

                            DR. TOM TIDA.



                            <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Operation Scam Emmanuel
                            www.DaventryEquestrian.com
                            Home of Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
                            Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness
                            www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                            • This is better than reality TV. I somehow managed to skip over this thread until now..

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                              • One other thing I would like to add, for those of you concerned that Tracy is going to meet up with an enraged scammer- it is very expensive to fly from anywhere on the continent of Africa to the US and back again. Unless you are going from Miami to Cape Town (which is about 900 bucks or so), there aren't really direct flights- generally they are routed through Europe (I have spent *days* in various European airports, waiting for my next connection) Added to the expense, which is in the 1000s, one must obtain a visa, which costs money, not only the basic fee, but (in many cases) one has to pay bribes.

                                These people are doing this to several intended victims at a time- most big and medium and even some small African cities have internet cafes where one can spend a little money and send out lots of emails. Universities and libraries have computers, too. In fact, Nigeria and South Africa are the two most connected countries on the continent. So the initial outlay is fairly small, but following up a failure with travelling to the US would be incredibly expensive and time-consuming. Travelling from African states to European states isn't all that expensive- it is the total trip from Africa to Europe to North America that costs a lot. The cheapest I have ever been able to do is to get a ticket from the States to a European airport and then another ticket twelve hours down the continent to Namibia or South Africa- all of which cost me around 750 bucks and took four days. But I'm a very frequent traveler and I know how to find the best rates by looking exhaustively and booking months in advance and so on. I don't think Mule is going to be doing that sort of research when Tracy dumps him- he's just going to move along to the next guy.

                                You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that wont change its shape. Jets to Brazil
                                You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that won't change its shape. Jets to Brazil

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                                • Original Poster

                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

                                  Dear Tracy,

                                  Thanks for your mail,and am sorry for my inability to respond to your mail,due to the fact that waisted a lot of time in the Court, so my dear am sorry about that.

                                  Firstly I want to thank you for your assistance in making the payment of CDN 700 and aslo promise to make the balance.I appreciate working with you as a partner.

                                  What I want to re-assured you is that, you will not regret doing things with me, and am also making it as a sturnch promise that as soon as the fund consignment get to you, I will come over to meet you so that we can as well organise our trip down to Hawaii.So anything you are doing, you should know that you doing for both of us,so just keep fit.

                                  You should also make sure you don't make mistake when sending the remaining balance to the diplomats.Please my dear, make sure you don't disclose anything to anybody,not even the officials of the Western Union Money Transfer, for security reasons, ok.

                                  so always keep me posted,as I look forward to hear from you.

                                  Best Regards,

                                  Emmanuel.
                                  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                  www.DaventryEquestrian.com
                                  Home of Welsh Cob stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
                                  Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness
                                  www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                                  • I love it! I'm on the edge of my seat!

                                    Emmanual's last letter makes me wanna barf though! I have the creepy crawlies!

                                    Good job Tracey! You should write for soap operas!

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                                    • This just gets better and better!
                                      So.. what if you "mistranscribe" the numbers in the 'sort' code (or whatever) so it "accidentally" goes to Rome? Or somewhere? With the LARGE amount you are supposed to be sending?
                                      If A equals success, then the formula is: A = X + Y + Z, X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut. - Albert Einstein

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                                      • go onto the internet sometime, any search engine. type in your name. your address and phone number will appear.

                                        step one. now just a few more steps and they have your birthday, and your SS number. and with all that, they can open new accounts in your name, and anythign else they want to do.

                                        and, anything you have written at any time in any email, and just about anything else, is available.

                                        on some county web sites, they can find any wills, property exchanges, arrests, and a great deal more info about you.

                                        you can laugh all you want at their 'scams', most of the time, all they want to do is connect and have a little bit of your time, and you will have been HAD, big time.

                                        remember, anyone with a modicum of internet savvy can literally steal everything yiou have. everything.

                                        do not open unknown email, and for god's sake, for GOD'S SAKE, DON'T answer it. ever.

                                        you all who think it's SOOOO clever to answer scam mail and play with them...you're playing right into their hands.

                                        the worst thing you can do is to assume you are smarter than someone else.

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                                        • slc - gotta say that I agree with a lot you have said ...
                                          When I punched in my name on an MSN search, a lot of horse info came up on me, complete with phone, address, email, websites, etc. Some of it not current, but a lot of it is.
                                          Along with my bank as I ahd won a turkey there in one of their raffles, so it wouldnt take a genius from that point onwards to figure out what bank I used!

                                          things that make you go "hmmmmm ..... "

                                          "Spot"

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