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  • Pulling a Horse Trailer in Bad Weather Conditions Gone Bad

    News report at the link. The horses were dropped off 10 minutes before this happened. Fortunately the driver survived with no major injuries. Hard to believe it from the photo.

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    That's one occasion where I would want an aluminum trailer!
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    • #3
      Wow, that is one tough truck, to have this minimum damage with a four horse trailer with a living quarter sitting on top of it. Got to give Ford F350 a big thumb up.

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      • #4
        Wow!

        I had an appointment for test on Saturday at 8 am.
        The weather was horrible, so left at 6 am for the 45 minute drive.
        As I got to the expressway, there was hardly any traffic and all wreckers and ambulances.
        They had a wreck a few miles from us with 7 semis and two cars, that killed 3 people and has 3 critically injured in the hospital today.
        That one wreck alone sent 45 people to the hospitals, my Dr I just saw this morning one called to help with the injured.
        There were over 100 accidents, two others with fatalities.

        I didn't make it very far, the windshield wipers and defroster no match for the icing in the windows, so I turned back for home.

        I will say, if the weather is bad, reconsider how important it is to be on the highway, seriously reconsider and just don't.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gloria View Post
          Wow, that is one tough truck, to have this minimum damage with a four horse trailer with a living quarter sitting on top of it. Got to give Ford F350 a big thumb up.
          Wow! Glad everyone is okay!

          Not to be an armchair critic here, but...is that an F350 single rear wheel? Would not be my vehicle of choice for a trailer this large. I know because I used to have one and my LQ is smaller than this one. Went to the F550 dually 4x4 because I questioned the truck's ability in ideal road conditions, let alone bad ones. My opinion but something to reflect on.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by cowboymom View Post
            That's one occasion where I would want an aluminum trailer!
            Lakotas are mostly aluminum. I've inspected them... not impressed.

            Ditto Ruby: no way in the world would I pull a trailer of that size without a dually.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ChocoMare View Post
              Lakotas are mostly aluminum. I've inspected them... not impressed.

              Ditto Ruby: no way in the world would I pull a trailer of that size without a dually.
              Me neither...I looked at them at a fair display and they just don't "speak" to me the way other brands that are tried and true do. I'd take a 4Star or a Merhow any day over one. Maybe if they stick around another 20 years I'll change my mind if I'm still around to change it.

              Can't read all the Facebook comments because I'm not a user, so I can't see any previous comments, but I hope that user who asked about the horses already knew somehow that the people who were quite literally thrown under the bus were all right...we're all concerned about the horses too, but seriously, the trailer is upright with no damage visible and the truck looks like a toy that got pulled apart by a naughty child. I'd be more worried about what happened there.
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              • #8
                The driver and her family are posting on the comments under the picture-they told everyone they are fine. They hit black ice after coming up over a hill and fishtailed. She said the trailer had a 9 foot short wall, so around a 20 foot trailer? She said it looks bigger in the pictures than it is. She's fending off all sorts of armchair critics on facebook too. People just can't help themselves, apparently.

                To be clear, in case it was lost in translation, if a horse trailer has to be sitting on top of my truck and me I would rather it was an aluminum trailer instead of a steel trailer, which is my usual preference.
                Last edited by cowboymom; Nov. 26, 2013, 03:31 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RubyTuesday View Post
                  Not to be an armchair critic here, but...is that an F350 single rear wheel? Would not be my vehicle of choice for a trailer this large.
                  Really, that's the lesson you take from this? Yet more evidence for the Gospel of CoTH, "You need a 3/4 ton to tow a 2h and a road tractor to pull anything larger"?

                  Ice can be really hard to drive on. A couple of extra wheels to have no traction on is not going to make a big difference and not automatically a positive difference. The truck was highly unlikely to have been overloaded with the empty trailer unless somebody is smuggling moonshine and gold bars in the LQ.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tangledweb View Post
                    Really, that's the lesson you take from this? Yet more evidence for the Gospel of CoTH, "You need a 3/4 ton to tow a 2h and a road tractor to pull anything larger"?

                    Ice can be really hard to drive on. A couple of extra wheels to have no traction on is not going to make a big difference and not automatically a positive difference. The truck was highly unlikely to have been overloaded with the empty trailer unless somebody is smuggling moonshine and gold bars in the LQ.
                    No, but it sure does make a difference when the trailer is loaded, and the manufacturers of the truck and the trailer will tell you that. Thus the stickers on the inside of the truck's door and inside the nose of many trailers now, which usually also have a plate above the gooseneck. I see people everyday that overload pickup trucks.

                    And yes, I would much prefer a "road tractor" than a too-large trailer on a pickup under any conditions. Have driven both and I know which I prefer. The only other "lesson" to take is to not drive in bad weather, which can never be promised. Otherwise, there isn't really a "lesson", just gawking at someone else's misfortune.
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                    • #11
                      Which doesn't mean this lady did and your statement now has nothing to do with her. This wreck had nothing to do with over-loading, it had to do with ice on the road and how that treats a truck and trailer. She probably would have been better off if the trailer had been fully loaded b/c it would have stabilized the truck bed. Nothing helps on ice except being heavy and studded tires.
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                      • #12
                        I just have a blanket rule not to ever drive in icy or snowy conditions. No decisions have to be made whether to go or not to go. Not worth it.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cowboymom View Post
                          Which doesn't mean this lady did and your statement now has nothing to do with her. This wreck had nothing to do with over-loading, it had to do with ice on the road and how that treats a truck and trailer. She probably would have been better off if the trailer had been fully loaded b/c it would have stabilized the truck bed. Nothing helps on ice except being heavy and studded tires.
                          So, now she would have been better off with horses involved to help crush her and maybe get injured too, instead of just having a lighter truck getting muscled around by a large trailer? Yeah, I think the top-heavy, volatile load of panicking horses would have improved this situation immensely...then when the trailer came to a stop, they could have kept going and maybe tipped it over too.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Foxtrot's View Post
                            I just have a blanket rule not to ever drive in icy or snowy conditions. No decisions have to be made whether to go or not to go. Not worth it.
                            Sometimes icy or snowy conditions pop up where you don't expect them, especially black ice. So it is good to have a tow vehicle that is less likely to be muscled around by the load.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RubyTuesday View Post
                              Sometimes icy or snowy conditions pop up where you don't expect them, especially black ice. So it is good to have a tow vehicle that is less likely to be muscled around by the load.
                              You have seen the videos of 18 wheelers sliding on ice like toy trucks?

                              But I have to agree, the accident might not have occurred with a loaded trailer...lightweight rigs with a big sillouette are a PITA some times.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by RubyTuesday View Post
                                Sometimes icy or snowy conditions pop up where you don't expect them, especially black ice. So it is good to have a tow vehicle that is less likely to be muscled around by the load.

                                Drivers in real snow country with duals will take the outside wheels off in winter months.

                                Because the duals act like flotation gear and will make slippage worse.

                                As for pulling trailers with duals, hitch load is the key. If your hitch load is greater than the capability of single wheels, then go to a dually.

                                Wreckers, trucks hauling cinder blocks, bricks, plumber bodies loaded with inventory need duals a lot more than the ordinary horse trailer.

                                Of course there will be many posts telling me I know nothing, so look at Ford's spec sheet. If the trailer falls under the numbers on the spec sheet for single wheels, you don't need duals.

                                That said, I have no idea what the trailer in question weighed. It might very well be that it was too much for the truck, but duals definitely will not improve handling on ice or snow.

                                The opposite it true when dealing with mud. Years ago, I visited a hunt where we parked in a pasture. Very very wet.

                                When it was time to go home, the duallies left with no problems.

                                My truck tried to dig its own grave. Had to unhitch, nursed the truck out to the road, got a tractor with a bucket, lifted the hitch (gooseneck 4 horse slant) with the bucket and took it to the road.

                                The dual tires on the other trucks kept the rear wheels on top of instead of in the muck.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by cssutton View Post
                                  Drivers in real snow country with duals will take the outside wheels off in winter months.

                                  Because the duals act like flotation gear and will make slippage worse.

                                  As for pulling trailers with duals, hitch load is the key. If your hitch load is greater than the capability of single wheels, then go to a dually.

                                  Wreckers, trucks hauling cinder blocks, bricks, plumber bodies loaded with inventory need duals a lot more than the ordinary horse trailer.

                                  Of course there will be many posts telling me I know nothing, so look at Ford's spec sheet. If the trailer falls under the numbers on the spec sheet for single wheels, you don't need duals.

                                  That said, I have no idea what the trailer in question weighed. It might very well be that it was too much for the truck, but duals definitely will not improve handling on ice or snow.

                                  The opposite it true when dealing with mud. Years ago, I visited a hunt where we parked in a pasture. Very very wet.

                                  When it was time to go home, the duallies left with no problems.

                                  My truck tried to dig its own grave. Had to unhitch, nursed the truck out to the road, got a tractor with a bucket, lifted the hitch (gooseneck 4 horse slant) with the bucket and took it to the road.

                                  The dual tires on the other trucks kept the rear wheels on top of instead of in the muck.
                                  Also, you have to look at the tongue weight of the LQ when considering a tow vehicle, which will be more the bigger the LQ. It also opens a can of worms if you have a custom LQ done versus a standard layout done by a conversion company. Usually a standard layout will have a weight that adds a known amount to the tongue weight but a custom layout would have to have things figured in, depending upon what is added.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by RubyTuesday View Post
                                    So, now she would have been better off with horses involved to help crush her and maybe get injured too, instead of just having a lighter truck getting muscled around by a large trailer? Yeah, I think the top-heavy, volatile load of panicking horses would have improved this situation immensely...then when the trailer came to a stop, they could have kept going and maybe tipped it over too.

                                    If you don't understand how the weight on the bed of the truck could have helped you don't know as much about trailering as you think you do. You're just looking to kick someone when they're down.
                                    Last edited by cowboymom; Nov. 27, 2013, 01:29 PM. Reason: removed snark ;)
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Foxtrot's View Post
                                      I just have a blanket rule not to ever drive in icy or snowy conditions. No decisions have to be made whether to go or not to go. Not worth it.
                                      This.

                                      This thread is actually very helpful for me, because this is my first winter as a horse owner where I have any reason to trailer my horse. I've had great fun trailering her all over this past summer and fall, but now I'm thinking about snow and ice and NOT trailering her when the roads are bad.

                                      (2h BP with dressing room here, and a big Tundra for towing it. Upgraded from a smaller Tundra that was ... adequate but not really good enough.)
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                                      • #20
                                        A dually isn't going to help y'all on ice. The weight is spread over a larger surface - the truck will skate on the ice.

                                        Ever see an M1 Abrams on ice? The thing weighs tons. Glides on ice like a figure skater (unless there are ice cleats on the tracks). I once saw an M1 slide down a street and crash into a building.

                                        Check out this video. It's not the M1 but you can see how heavy equipment borne on a large surface area can drift on ice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THeaXnM6Npg

                                        I've got a dually and love it. But my rig would have ended up just like the one in the photo. So would all of yours. Unless you had chains or another form of traction that works on ice.

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