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France Raises Taxes on Equestrian Centers - Riders Protest

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  • France Raises Taxes on Equestrian Centers - Riders Protest

    Looks like governments have found a new source for increased revenue - those "deep-pocketed" equestrians! A new 20% VAT tax! Could your equestrian center stay in business after this type of increase?

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/french-ride...5564--rah.html

    Excerpt:

    Organizers of Sunday's protest say the EU-mandated rise of France's VAT to 20 percent as of January 1 - from the 7 percent reduced rate paid by equestrian centers today - will shut down a fifth of centers across France.

    Some 6,000 jobs will be lost, they estimate, and 80,000 horses will have to be sent to slaughter.

    "Riders, up in arms!" shouted protesters carrying signs reading "Sales tax at 20 percent - Death of Horses and Ponies".

    A guillotine was wheeled through the streets, its blade poised above a toy horse's head. Another horse effigy was mounted on a crucifix.
    "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

  • #2
    This is a European decision that was passed a while ago and France is only now implementing it...

    So, another wonderful decision for Europe .... but then did no other country protest? well apparently, in other countries, it is still considered an elite sport so the rich can pay. Not in France where it is sport no. 3 after soccer and tennis... so many people do ride/have horses... and I guess they should be happy Sarkozy was planning on a 21% tax! I do think that 80 000 horses is a bit of an exaggeration.

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    • #3
      Just like the liberals in this country...tax, tax and tax some more....tax the people who work to pay for those that are the leeches. Tax to buy the votes with socialist programs.

      France, like the rest of socialist europe want to go after the rich. Who are the rich? Horse owners for one...the "peasants" in the cities see the horse world as the domain of the wealthy. It's the same attitude that destroyed fox hunting in England. City leftists hating the people in the country.
      "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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      • #4
        Trak, you are wrong as far as riders being elitists in France. There will be the snobbish barns in the big cities, but there are many, many, small schools in many small towns where local kids learn to ride and horsemanship. Those are the places that will be most affected by the new tax. And again, this is a EU decision that France has to apply and has delayed applying.
        The rich will always have the money to pay... it's the smaller places which are at risk.
        If riding was so elitist, it would not be the 3rd sport in France!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
          Trak, you are wrong as far as riders being elitists in France. There will be the snobbish barns in the big cities, but there are many, many, small schools in many small towns where local kids learn to ride and horsemanship. Those are the places that will be most affected by the new tax. And again, this is a EU decision that France has to apply and has delayed applying.
          The rich will always have the money to pay... it's the smaller places which are at risk.
          If riding was so elitist, it would not be the 3rd sport in France!
          That was what he was saying! It's the liberals IN THE CITY who view those who own horses are rich.
          "Common sense is so rare nowadays, it should be classified as a super power."-Craig Bear Laubscher

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          • #6
            How is this an EU tax? This is a tax implemented by Mr. Hollande and his government, nothing to do with the EU otherwise all the other EU countries would also have this and protests etc. It is a tax implemented by a communist leaning socialist government that France has the pity to bear at the moment.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Trakehner View Post
              Just like the liberals in this country...tax, tax and tax some more....tax the people who work to pay for those that are the leeches. Tax to buy the votes with socialist programs.

              France, like the rest of socialist europe want to go after the rich. Who are the rich? Horse owners for one...the "peasants" in the cities see the horse world as the domain of the wealthy. It's the same attitude that destroyed fox hunting in England. City leftists hating the people in the country.
              Amen to that, Trakehner...too many liberals also do not realize just who the "rich" are that are targeted by these taxes. In way too many cases, it is hardworking middle class people who have some degree of "disposable" income. As far as the ultra-wealthy and corporations go...I don't know about anyone else, but I've never had a homeless person or someone on welfare offer me a job, and I suspect no one else has either. Who do they think pays people to work?
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              • #8
                The euro-socialists in Belgium are the ones going after the French because they didn't want to raise the VAT to 20%. Read the article, the common market threatened to go after the French if they didn't raise their VAT. It's a common attitude of jealousy and class envy/warfare that's used in Europe and this country to create "us vs. them" which is used go generate votes for good socialists.

                Psst...I didn't say riding was elitist, I said the typical European, who is a city dweller and fairly leftist, sees riding as elitist. It's a bit like that in the US, "if you have horses you must be rich" is not an unusual attitude.
                "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                • #9
                  Right, sorry Trak. My mom has been telling me about this for weeks now...

                  and she was telling me that in other countries it is seen as elitist, but not so much in France.
                  My mom lives in a small town where there are at least two or three equestrian centres catering to local kids, no BNT, no BNR.. that will hurt them.
                  As much as I hate Hollande, I really do not think he is the culprit here. No matter who would be president, this tax had to be implemented or else.
                  http://www.leparisien.fr/economie/op...13-3314789.php
                  Let's agree that the French are great at demonstrating. whether it brings results..
                  The government is trying to soften the blow with some help to endangered centres but it is not enough...
                  http://www.linternaute.com/sport/pra...uitation.shtml
                  3rd most popular sport in France...so not elitist except yes, people who live in big centres can only access the more expensive barns, but in the country, it is so true!

                  I love France, but I am so glad I don't live there any more. What a sad situation all around there.
                  In Ontario, we complained (well, not with demonstrations - Canadians don't do that), when the HST was introduced which basically taxed everything at 13% instead of th 5% (board, feed, vet services, etc.) That was a big pill to swallow too so I can imagine a 13% increase would really hurt.

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                  • #10
                    Well, someone has to pay for the "Free" Health Care.
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                    • #11
                      huntertwo... totally unrelated but you had to be snarky as usual

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                      • #12
                        If you read the article, it says equestrian centers in France had a special exemption from the tax; the EU courts said the exemption was improper.
                        If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
                          huntertwo... totally unrelated but you had to be snarky as usual
                          Hmm, yes it is related. Who do you think funds "Free" Health Care? Yes, it would be the tax payers. Snarky? I think not. Truthful? Yes.
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                          • #14
                            A friend from France told me about this yesterday; apparently, some other sports are exempt (which seems grossly unfair to me).

                            Does anyone know what the situation is in the UK?
                            Last edited by Vesper Sparrow; Nov. 26, 2013, 07:00 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Tax his land, tax his wage,
                              Tax his bed in which he lays.
                              Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
                              Teach him taxes is the rule.

                              Tax his cow, tax his goat,
                              Tax his pants, tax his coat.
                              Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
                              Tax his work, tax his dirt.

                              Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
                              Teach him taxes are no joke.
                              Tax his car, tax his grass,
                              Tax the roads he must pass.

                              Tax his food, tax his drink,
                              Tax him if he tries to think.
                              Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
                              If he cries, tax his tears.

                              Tax his bills, tax his gas,
                              Tax his notes, tax his cash.
                              Tax him good and let him know
                              That after taxes, he has no dough.

                              If he hollers, tax him more,
                              Tax him until he’s good and sore.
                              Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
                              Tax the sod in which he lays.

                              Put these words upon his tomb,
                              "Taxes drove me to my doom!"
                              And when he’s gone, we won’t relax,
                              We’ll still be after the inheritance tax.
                              Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                              Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                              -Rudyard Kipling

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Huntertwo View Post
                                Hmm, yes it is related. Who do you think funds "Free" Health Care? Yes, it would be the tax payers. Snarky? I think not. Truthful? Yes.
                                Absolutely related.
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                                • #17
                                  Well, whatever you want to believe. I am SO happy I live in Canada and everyday I thank the stars for a decision I made almost 40 years ago. Little did I know then what the US were to become..
                                  Carry on, pay little taxes, but pay major dollars to insurance companies. It makes so much sense.

                                  And I don't think that all the demonstrations will have any effect in France... to me the EU = NAFTA.... great for companies, awful for individuals.

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                                  • #18
                                    Wow, talk about bomb proof horses and ponies, demonstrating in Paris, lol!
                                    I'm with them all in spirit, I would be right there with them if I could.
                                    http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/vide...81_823448.html

                                    That's going to help Hollande's dismal popularity record, that. Oh yes. (he's the lowest-rated President since 1958, with less than 26% of supporters).
                                    Ottbs - The finish line is only the beginning!

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
                                      This is a European decision that was passed a while ago and France is only now implementing it...

                                      So, another wonderful decision for Europe .... but then did no other country protest? well apparently, in other countries, it is still considered an elite sport so the rich can pay. Not in France where it is sport no. 3 after soccer and tennis... so many people do ride/have horses... and I guess they should be happy Sarkozy was planning on a 21% tax! I do think that 80 000 horses is a bit of an exaggeration.
                                      Disagree completely that equestrian sports are considered elite in the rest of Europe. Born and raised there. Have ridden, owned horses and shown for as long as I can remember and have yet to meet anyone whom I would consider elite/rich. Sure, some have more spare money than others but the vast majority of equestrians, just like here in the States, are normal people with average and often less than average salaries. Good friend of mine owns and operates a huge riding facility. Can only afford to pay himself equiv. $35000 per year. Hardly an elite bunch of people.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by sophie View Post
                                        Wow, talk about bomb proof horses and ponies, demonstrating in Paris, lol!
                                        I'm with them all in spirit, I would be right there with them if I could.
                                        http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/vide...81_823448.html

                                        That's going to help Hollande's dismal popularity record, that. Oh yes. (he's the lowest-rated President since 1958, with less than 26% of supporters).
                                        Yeah - Hollande provides much fodder to the "Guignols de l'info"

                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L95mINQd5Ck

                                        All kidding aside though, I really feel for the Parisian and country wide Poney club system which caters mostly to kids who ride on Wednesdays and weekends - it will definitely sway many parents who are on a strict activities budget!

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