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Would you buy pet food made from horsemeat?

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  • #21
    Nope. Not interested in having my pets ingest flyspray ,horse wormers,no telling what kind of drugs including steroids , euthanasia solution , herbal products etc.

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    • #22
      I'd prefer if dogs ate a more natural diet than what is in most dog food these days. I bet we'd have fewer sick and obese dogs.

      Horsemeat used to be in dog food, and hunting dogs usually have a more meat based diet than pet dogs (not necessarily horsemeat but other animal proteins)

      It's more a political decision than a nutritional one, isn't it.
      Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
      Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
      -Rudyard Kipling

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      • #23
        We're such a wasteful society. We scream about feeding the masses and helping the poor, yet we refuse to use our available resources because it offends our delicate sensibilities.

        Yes I would feed horse meat to my dogs.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by simply kim View Post
          Nope. Not interested in having my pets ingest flyspray ,horse wormers,no telling what kind of drugs including steroids , euthanasia solution , herbal products etc.
          Ditto. This is my main issue with it. For that matter, I can't believe people eat it. Mmmm... just a hint of TriTec on this steak.
          You are what you dare.

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          • #25
            Most certainly!

            I am all for making good use of the extra horses we have in this country. Far better to use the meat than let it go to waste.

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            • #26
              I would not, however that is a blanket statement for pet food in general since I cook for all of mine usually locally or home raised organic meats and poultry.

              Truthfully, the only way you can really ensure that an animal has been humanely slaughtered is to do it yourself.

              With that said, I could not ever slaughter a horse because to me they are pets just as much as my dogs and cats are.
              I Loff My Quarter Horse & I love Fenway Bartholomule cliques

              Just somebody with a positive outlook on life...go ahead...hate me for that.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Jumphigh83 View Post
                Meaning no disrespect but how many times can you collect money for this or that sad case horse rescue and try to mitigate their suffering? Dead is dead and sometimes it beats the alternative...a life of misery. I know I know..let the flames fly but in all your hearts you know I am right. Horses are big expensive and not exactly lap pets. In the perfect world all horses would live a idyllic life and then pass peacefully, but this is a far from perfect world. I don't eat dogs either but would not presume to judge anyone that does...it is a cultural thing. Funny how "liberal" a lot of you are but mention eating horse and you fly off the handle!!!
                I rarely agree with you, Betsy, but I do here!! Mark the calendars!!
                Laurie

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by simply kim View Post
                  Nope. Not interested in having my pets ingest flyspray ,horse wormers,no telling what kind of drugs including steroids , euthanasia solution , herbal products etc.
                  Do you have pets--outdoor pets? and horses? then guess what they already do ingest all that stuff. they eat horse poop which contains wormer etc lick urine which also contains stuff. Do you put any kind of flea treatment on them? Well they ingest that every time they lick themselves. Anytime they walk through the barn while you are spraying flyspray, applying anything they get it on them and then ingest it. If you don't want them ingesting anything get a muzzle and a hamster ball, lots of bubble wrap and doggy diapers so you don't have to put them on the ground to go potty.

                  I absolutely would feed pet food that contained horse meat and if it came down to it if I was hungry enough I would eat it too. Just as I would any other form of livestock. Horses are not PETS. They are LIVESTOCK. When you can get the US Ag & Markets laws to reclassify them as pets then maybe.
                  Proud Mama of a BOY rider

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                  • #29
                    First I have a problem with the word "humane" since it doesn't mean painless or gentle, it is used to make us think that, but go look at slaughter house videos and cringe.

                    We have never knowingly fed horse meat. I rode horses from 6 months old till I got my first horse at 10 yoa, so I was always conscious that Alpo in the old days was full of mustang, "made from gentle brown eyed horses" was the note I used to post in grocery stores as a child.

                    You still must check to make sure that no horse meat is in the food, and yes I know that when a dead horse is sent to a rendering plant, it is dumped in with the cows, so it is probably in some foods.

                    We feed chicken, Claxton chicken breasts that we buy wholesale. (Yes I know they are slaughtered, I've seen the videos.)

                    And we feed steak. (Yes I know the cows are slaughtered, I've seen those videos, and I know at least since we don't feed hamburger that these aren't dairy cows who have become barren.)

                    Feeding steak and chicken is actually cheaper than feeding canned feed to our dogs and cats.

                    Altho I'm sure there are dead and ground up horses in some of the dry crunchies my dogs and cats (all rescued now) are eating.

                    You have to be vigilant though, as when one of my cats got cryptococcus years ago in atlanta, the prescription science diet food that she was offered when she developed hepatitis from the ketaconozole (then an experimental drug thru UGA and Briarcliff Clinic) was full of horsemeat. I read the label and asked her vet Mueller3 if that was the only food she could have thru her stomach tube, and he said no and sold me another science diet food without horsemeat. I would have had to save the cat if the horsemeat version had been the only choice, but fortunately I didn't have to make that decision.

                    I bury my horses (3 so far thruout my life).
                    Go watch some slaughterhouse videos of horses (and other animals) and then define "humane".

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                    • #30
                      I'm always surprised when I hear people say they would never use horse meat because of drugs, wormer, fly sprasy, etc. Obviously you have no idea about whats used on other species of livestock. I just wormed both my horses and cattle last week use the same bottle of wormer on both. Same as the Banimine and Bute I use on both species, flyspray does anyone actually beleive cattle and hogs don't get fly spray? Have any idea how many cattle get growth hormones? How about drugs given to dairy cattle to produce more milk? What do you think is done with those dairy cows when their done as milk producers? Please don't say they all go to a nice pasture to live out their life. Fact is every species of livestock and poultry consumed in this country gets drugs put into them and the same types of fly sprays used on horses are used for all of them.
                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                      • #31
                        cloudyandcallie name me the foods that come from a rendering plant. Do you know the differance between " rendering " and "slaughtering"?
                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                        • #32
                          Nope. I question whether any mass slaughtering project could be humane, but I would not feed horsemeat for the reasons mentions -- toxins, quality control, etc. After the pet food scare this year, I have become more and more cautious about what I feed my animals.
                          When life gives you lemons. . .say &%^# you lemons! And throw those lemons back in life's face so that it will be afraid of you and won't try that crap again!

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by shakeytails View Post
                            If a company were to market a premium pet food product whose main ingredient was horse meat, would you buy it?
                            I guess if it is horsemeat made from horses you are putting down that would be ok-in that case the meat has to end up somewhwere-although not sure what the effect of euthanasia drugs would be. But not something from the old days where you caught horses to grind them up or even they shipped off the auction horses/meat to the pet food company.. Again just my personal thingie-got nothing to do with science or logic or politics-just as I won't feed a dog, food made fom industrial farmed cats-if such a thing were to exist....

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                            • #34
                              I think theres a misconception with some how livestock meat ends up at a pet food company. Livestock is not sent to the pet food company to be slaughtered not in the old days and not now. Livestock is slaughtered at a slaughering plant, the meat is then frozen into 50 lb blocks and trucked to the pet food company and made into their products be it kibbles, chew snacks, etc. The remains from the animal are sent to a rendering company. All three places are very different in what they do and never does one place do the other places job.
                              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                              • #35
                                I voted yes. It's funny though, when I was ten, my barn friend and I wrote letters of protest to Alpo for using horse meat. As an adult, I see it as a necessary evil. There are horses that are not going to be cared for, people who can't afford them, they can't sell them. Better to be used as food than live a life of misery is my opinion. I did vote for Proposition 2, which will enforce better treatment of these animals.

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                                • #36
                                  I'm not going to argue with county, or any pro-slaughter people.

                                  I lived in St Louis years ago. I knew people who worked for Purina. I've been to the Purina hqtrs there.
                                  I know what is in feeds. I've seen it.
                                  Like the dead chickens in cow feed. We eat those cows.

                                  Yes I do know the difference between a slaughterhouse and a rendering plant.

                                  But then I also knew what was in the chinese buffet food the guys used to eat in atlanta when I worked there. Boy they stopped eating at that buffet the day I went with them and pulled out different bones from the meat that was served.

                                  And of course there is an acceptable % of rat feces and roaches in our own food, including candy bars.

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                                  • #37
                                    I didn't ask you to argue I only asked what foods you think come from rendering plants. I don't think you have a clue.
                                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by county View Post
                                      I'm always surprised when I hear people say they would never use horse meat because of drugs, wormer, fly sprasy, etc.
                                      Maybe I'm wrong, but I always assumed that there are more stringent quality controls when it comes to beef or chicken. I buy dog food that is made in a USDA inspected facility. It's also claimed to be hormone and steroid free, fit for human consumption, yada yada yada. Hey, if I'm ever trapped under something heavy and the only thing I can reach for food is the dog's...
                                      How is horse meat graded and inspected and what about euthanasia solution (for horses not killed in a plant) getting into pet food?
                                      It doesn't bother me if other people want to use it, but it's not something I would buy right now.
                                      You are what you dare.

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                                      • #39
                                        When slaughter was here it had to pass USDA inspection same as all meat does and meet EU standards. Euthanasia solution is not an issue no animal thats not killed in the slaughter plants can be used for meat. The ones killed from drugs go to a rendering plant same as any other species.
                                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                        • #40
                                          Sure, it would bother me less than county or state or _____ sponsored holding tanks for horses that there's no viable market for. SOME people want them...but not enough.

                                          http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/sto...870.xml&coll=2

                                          S0- 225,000 DOLLARS later...they can house what, 40 horses or so? And horses are hellbent on living forever when no one wants them. It's the good ones that wake up and decide on homicide or suicide everyday. They'll ship 'em to the farm in Cullman where they'll sit. and sit. and sit.

                                          Horses that are sound and skilled and ready to go to work...are bringing low, if any dollars. I'm not talking the top 5% of horses: I'm talking horses in the 1K-5K bracket.

                                          So- exactly where is the booming market for the old, the unsound, the stunted, the malnourished, the yahoo'd, unpapered, bred as a 2YO in someone's backyard?

                                          How will this 225K facility make more than the slightest dent in the unwanted horse situation? It won't.

                                          I'd be all for that good meat being made into pet food. Fine with me.

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