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The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.
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horse set on fire in Harnett Co., N.C. (UPDATE pg. 10-Dixie lost her tail)
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In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
A life lived by example, done too soon.
www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/
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Hey, there are some efforts afoot to raise money to help the horse. I donated a little. Here is a link to the article.
Animal Cruelty Case Draws Response From Across Country
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Didn't have the right upbringing? In a society that feels children are the center of the universe and have to be focused on all the time. They need to express themselves wherever they are even if it means bothering everyone else around them. They don't need to respect anyone...especially adults! That everything is disposable - even in this instance ...a horse's tail.
We reap what we sow baby - indulge kids all the time and they have no limits.
I keep praying for a follow up story that their parents beat the living **it out of them and the police had to be called to pull them off. Because that's what would have happened to kids who did this when I was that age.
Harming animals in a very cruel way is a serious issue. Most serial killers start out harming and killing animals.
I agree - these monsters need to spend some time in a four wall cell. Or picking up trash along some interstate wearing orange jumpsuits.Summit Sporthorses Ltd. Inc.
"Breeding Competition Partners & Lifelong Friends"
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Give me 5 minutes, with each girl, in a stall with a dressage whip and a brand new farrier's rasp.
Then y'all can have them to set their hair on fire and watch THEM run screaming through the pasture.
I sent $25 to Paypal to help with expenses. This just makes me SICK. I hope that someone local will organize a campaign to keep pressure on the local authorities to penalize them to the max.
I will cross post this to all my horse groups in hope of getting more money for the horse, and also to raise awareness of this type of crime.
Onelanerode, could you keep us abreast of further developments? Or where to call/email to make sure the legal powers-that-be throw the book at them?Barbara www.customstockties.com
Tulsa-QH; Schnickelfritz-Holsteiner; Atikus-Danish Warmblood; Buddy-QH/TB; Winston-Shire; Thomas-Percheron/TB; Mac-Belgian Draft, gone but never forgotten
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am sorry but you are just scarey!! First of all, girls do NOT commit violent crimes at the same rate as boys, get your facts straight. I think that the fact that this crime is unusual for girls makes it more disturbing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Check out the uniform crime statistics put out the DOJ, girls are no longer just emotional attackers, they're physically violent. Things have changed. What seems to be shocking is these were white suburban girls. Evil is evil, it's not sex linked."Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"
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This is from the website from the Champange Horse Association. They tell the story and have photos. They're also taking donations for the young horse.
Here's the story of these evil whores:
"The girls, between the ages of 12 and 15, have a history of animal cruelty and arson. The girls bragged to classmates about committing the heinous deed and described how Dixie ran screaming across the field with her tail on fire."
Anyone still give a damn about their backgrounds and making excuses for these scum? Hopefully, they'll suffer sometime in their lives like they've made other animals suffer. If there is a hell, they've a place waiting for them."Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"
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Makes me glad there are VIDEO CAMERAS in our barn. That, and I think anyone trying to light my horse on fire would have the living crap beat out of them by my horse, as gentle as he may be. Then it'd be my turn.
Sad thing is, these aren't really the type of people who are easily convinced to 'change'. Jerry Springer, anyone?
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Folks, here's a slightly more detailed thread on the N.C. Horse News board. There will probably be more updates here than on the WRAL Web site (or at least they'll be on here first).
http://forum.nchorsenews.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19726&whichpage=1
Here's what else I found:
According to the most recent WRAL article, the sheriff's office is urging the Harnett Co. District Attorney, who I believe is Thomas H. Lock, not to do a plea deal.
(this came from http://www.harnett.org)
Thomas H. Lock
P.O. Box 1029
Smithfield, NC 27577
CORRECT PHONE NUMBER: 910-814-4500
Thomas.H.Lock@NCCOURTS.ORG (this came from http://www.nc.gov)
Interestingly enough, PETA has sent him several letters regarding animal abuse in Harnett County, including one letter about four Harnett County teenagers charged with abusing a pregnant goat. (This was obtained through Google.)
Their contact info for him:
The Honorable Thomas H. Lock
District Attorney, 11th Prosecutorial District
P.O. Box 2259
Lillington, NC 27546Full-time bargain hunter.
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Personally, this makes me extremely angry. I hate to say it...but the owner of that horse is way too nice...Had it been me, and I really dont care if I would go to jail for the rest of my life, because it would be so worth it...I would probably nab them up, duct tape them in their sleep, hand cuff them to a treadmil, set it on high, make them drink horse piss, then cut their ugly fat heads off and stick them their parents doorsteps. Yeah, I know...that is pretty psycho...but hey. I usually can only take teenagers in small doses anyway, a few less to worry about."Lose your temper, lose your horse" -someone wise enough to know better than to pick a fight with a 1200 lb animal that could launch you to the moon.
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Oh, God. I just read the thread that said that these monsters have done this BEFORE?!?!? That they're known to be animal abusers? So why is it taking any time at all for these monsters to be arrested on a felony charge?
Who do I need to call or bombard with e-mails to make sure these wretches get treated like adults and charged with felonies? Can we start a COTH petition or e-mail assault? Please, someone who knows, give us this info. We cannot allow this sort of thing to go unpunished. Time to send a message.
In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
A life lived by example, done too soon.
www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shakeytails:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And if the woman was away for 3 days and did or did not have people coming in to feed and water - DOES NOT RELATE TO WHAT WAS DONE TO THE HORSE! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't mean by my earlier post that it lessens the crime in any way, the girls should be punished severely. And being the cold-hearted person I am I believe in eliminating sociopaths like this through euthanasia- we destroy nasty dogs, why not people?
However, the extent of the horse's injuries, especially the infection that has spread to her leg, could have been mitigated by timely care. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with you on the euthanasia. On the other hand, death by injection may be too easy for them. So maybe a life sentence in a burn ward.
However, your second statement suggests that the owner was negligent. The newspaper article does make it sound as though the horses were left unattended for three days. HOWEVER, if you read through the all articles, the in-laws appear to have been caring for the horses while the owners were away and made Dixie as comfortable as possible. The photos show the progression from the day it happened to today. The initial photo shows little to no sign of infection.
We don't know which "vacation day" it happened on, but it seems likely that the in-laws would have contacted the owners if possible. So they probably were on their way home...
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I am a school principal for students that have been "removed" from their regular schools. I have seen all kinds, and I too am tired of the excuses that some parents/guardians and even educators make for the behaviors of children. In KY, juvenile (less than 18 years of age) records are "sealed" and are not made public. BAD IDEA. I think if they were made public maybe it would shame the families into being "parents" instead of just making babies.
Additionally, research has shown that people with a history of abusing animals may be pre-disposed to more violent crimes. Jeffrey Dohmer (sp?) abused animals when he was young, as did several other serial killers.
I am not sure of the laws in NC, but in most states, juveniles get off with a slap on the hand. Here in KY most juveniles I have dealt with just scoff at the juvenile justice system. The only thing it accomplishes is it does inconvenience the parents/parent by having to attend court. Also, in KY parents are financially responsible for what a minor does to someone elses' property. Maybe in NC too?
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My letter is sent. I may be in NY now, but I'm still an NC resident.
I am absolutely and utterly horrified by this. These girls deserve to be severely punished and also deserve intense psychological therapy. Stastics are not on their side - such people are likely to reoffend, often against more defesnseless animals and people.
This cannot be taken lightly.
My heart goes out to the poor horse and her owners. I cannot imagine the physical and emotional anguish.
My heart also goes out to the offenders and their families. People with the capability of committing such heinous acts certainly need some prayers.
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Trakehener - I think I'm right about girls not committing violent crimes at the same rate as boys - but I agree that the gap is rapidly shrinking - as is the age at which the crimes are committed.
I don't think juveniles should be mollycoddled when they commit crimes. These kids didn't toilet paper a teacher's house for cryin out loud.
And they bragged about it - and they have a history of arson and animal abuse? Lock em up and throw away the key. They're done. I don't mind my taxes going to house violent criminals for life. I'd rather they spend life in prison than be my next door neighbor in 5 years.....
Or better yet, shoot, shovel and shut up.Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
-Rudyard Kipling
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quote"So maybe a life sentence in a burn ward."
Having spent WAAAYY too much time in a burn ward (on the receiving end of care) I can say with honesty that would be a fitting punishment...
the NOT!! Spoiled!! Arabian Protectavest poster pony lives on in my heart
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:
This is from the website from the Champange Horse Association. They tell the story and have photos. They're also taking donations for the young horse.
Here's the story of these evil whores:
"The girls, between the ages of 12 and 15, have a history of animal cruelty and arson. The girls bragged to classmates about committing the heinous deed and described how Dixie ran screaming across the field with her tail on fire."
Anyone still give a damn about their backgrounds and making excuses for these scum? Hopefully, they'll suffer sometime in their lives like they've made other animals suffer. If there is a hell, they've a place waiting for them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Couldn't have said it better myself.
One cannot think well, love well, sleep well, if one has not dined well. - Virginia Woolf
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I too object to sealed records for juveniles. If they turn their life around it speaks the their character that the did. If they don't at least you are forwarned.
Open records on anyone who as abused animals. How would you like to move in and find out the "kids" next door had a history of tormenting animals?? After you had spent a lot of money buying a farm? How would you like to have some person come to look at horses for sale and find out later that they were just scoping out your farm and THEY had a history of starving animals or hurting them?
This is so sick - it makes me angry.
Also there are current national crime statistics showing that young girls perpetrating physical violence on others is on a significant increase in this country - and at very young ages. Other posters are correct - this isn't about gender.Summit Sporthorses Ltd. Inc.
"Breeding Competition Partners & Lifelong Friends"
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In addition to all the previously suggested punishments, I would also suggest sterilization. These girls' bloodlines are CLEARLY flawed...."If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
**CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**
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