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horse set on fire in Harnett Co., N.C. (UPDATE pg. 10-Dixie lost her tail)

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  • #21
    As many *insane* teenagers there are out there (myself included hehe), I must say, I am MORE suprised by the overwhelming number of ADULTS that do things equally or more awful. I do not appreciate the "i am shocked by what teenagers are capable of"- what about I am shocked by what people in general are capable of? As outgoing as I like to consider myself, I have a hard time interacting with older people that stereotype my generation this way.
    That being said, this is HORRRRRIBLE. I do hope the horse owner seeks out some sort of settlement in civil court. And as a side note, these girls are obviously troubled and I would also hope that their punishment would incude some sort of mandatory therapy/counseling. These "awful teenagers" have a much higher chance of turning things around than the fully grown 45 year old man that beats his dog and starves his horses...
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    • #22
      I agree; It's appalling what people are capable of . Jingles for the poor filly
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        #23
        FrenchFry, I said "some" ... definitely not all. I'm not too far out of my teen years myself, and I'm not attempting to paint every teen with the same brush. I know there are far more teens out there who are just as disgusted as I am.
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        • #24
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> There's probably something going on with these girls at home or at school, and all too often these cases end in court prosecution but no attempts to address the psychological cause of the problem. Sometimes it's an isolated incidence of teenage stupidity, but more often it's a warning sign of even worse things to come. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

          This sentiment really upsets me. Having been a teacher and principal for 12 years in some of the most horrendous environments you can imagine....allowing criminals to use their personal problems as an excuse is one more way they don't have to accept responsibility for their own actions. My students came from nightmare homes, yet treated the strays around campus as if they were royalty. To do something so cruel and then use homelife as an acceptable excuse makes the crime worse in my opinion. Yes, this is a sign there are deeper problems...but at some point these kids took the hairspray and the match and put them on that poor defenseless sweet horse. So really I don't care what the excuse is ... bottom line - is they need to be held accountable for their actions.

          And there may be some serious home issues going on...if so deal with the parents accordingly - they too should be punished for neglect and abuse.

          Bottom line - there is NO acceptable excuse for what was done to that horse.

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          • #25
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And if the woman was away for 3 days and did or did not have people coming in to feed and water - DOES NOT RELATE TO WHAT WAS DONE TO THE HORSE! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I didn't mean by my earlier post that it lessens the crime in any way, the girls should be punished severely. And being the cold-hearted person I am I believe in eliminating sociopaths like this through euthanasia- we destroy nasty dogs, why not people?

            However, the extent of the horse's injuries, especially the infection that has spread to her leg, could have been mitigated by timely care.

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            • #26
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse:
              I do not appreciate the "i am shocked by what teenagers are capable of"- what about I am shocked by what people in general are capable of? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I can agree with that. I grew up in a country where 12 year olds were considered adults and were held to the same standard and same laws as adults. While that is extreme, it's amazing the level of maturity expressed by even the youngest teens when held to a strict accountability. Maturity is a funny thing. In my observation, people mature to a certain level and then stay at that level regardless of their chronological age. It doesn't surprise me to hear an 80-year old say, "I'm still 21 in my head. My body just got old." So yes, FrenchFry has a very valid point to me: it is not surprising what people can do.

              Back to the point... The problem, as I see it, is that accountability is missing and we (society) keep lowering the bar for what is acceptable behaviour. I'm sure people will argue, "Oh, she was only 15. She's a child. Setting the horse on fire was only a prank." The fact of the matter is that 15 years old are quite capable of discerning right from wrong and making adult decisions. Trouble at home may have helped shape the little tyrants into what they are, but it took more than that. Years of getting away with everything and having people make excuses for them based on "only a child" are, IMO, what contributed to such bloody high self-esteem that the well being of another creature became completely insignificant. A slap on the wrist only enforces the problem. Community service? Too easy. Give them the maximum sentence and put their little butts through boot camp as part of that sentence.
              "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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              • #27
                OMG.. that is soooo bad..I cry reading it. I just had a nasty run in with some young teens who were calling my house constantly and generally harrassing me.(this went on for a week before the cops found them) They even called other places and left my phone number with obnoxious messages about lost pets. I did get the cops on them and while I didn't press charges I could have. They were rich and had a restricted phone number so I couldn't use the normal phone company methods to track them down. I worried that I was wasting the Police time with such a trivial thing.. but then I figured perhaps I can put a bit of "fear" back on them and stop them before they hurt others... I see this sort of phone call harrassment as one step away from animal abuse.. something that can't fight back and that I why I pursued it.
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                • #28
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ESG:<span class="ev_code_GREEN">I don't give a rat's ass what's "going on at home" with these kids - they've tortured and maimed a completely defenseless animal that did nothing to them! I hope they throw their asses in jail and throw away the key. AND they should be prosecuted as adults, not sent to juvie playgroup. </span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Such wisdom....

                  "It's unusual for females to commit this sort of crime."

                  Huh? Where've you been? Girls are just as violent, it's just more hidden and excused. No group, boy or girl, has the copyright on evil.

                  I hope these evil thugs are made to suffer. I think shaving their heads would be a good start and several hundred hours of effort...say, working at this woman's barn doing every disagreeable task that comes down the pike. Maybe having their parents along with them might help too!

                  Ya' know what will happen though? They'll sniff and shed a tear, their scum lawyer will come up with gems like, "But your honor, look at my clients, they're just young defenseless little girls, it was an accident, they were trying to get the burrs out of the horse's tail and a spark set her tail on fire...haven't they already suffered enough?"

                  And a bubble-headed judge will wipe a tear and think of his nice normal daughter and how "girls don't do stuff like this" and they'll get away with it....Never happen? Just remember all the girls who kill their newborns and get away with it (e.g. the skank who was at a school dance, had her kid in the bathroom, drowned her in the toilet and then went back to the dance?...she got away with it.)
                  "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                  • #29
                    2 boys in South GA were sentenced today for setting a puppy on fire.

                    They say the dog will be fine and adopted out. The kids got off easy because they are under 18.


                    Makes me sick.
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                    • #30
                      Ted Bundy tortured animals before he became a serial killer. So did most of the other notable serial killers.

                      What's it going to take to make the justice system WAKE THE HELL UP???
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                      • #31
                        "The fact of the matter is that 15 years old are quite capable of discerning right from wrong and making adult decisions."

                        Aggie4Bar, you could not be more right. I'm 15 myself, and while some of my peers are not nescessarily the most mature and intelligent, they sure as hell are intelligent enough to be held responsible for their actions.

                        If I can work for and support a horse all by myself, they can take the blame for what they did.

                        And their parents should be punished as well. While I'm allowed to go to friend's houses and out pretty much whenever I please (since I've proved my responsibility; they're more careful with my sister) my parents ALWAYS know where I'm going, and what I'll be doing while I'm there.

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                        • #32
                          You know what else concerns me besides the crime itself? She gives lessons & hosts camp. A lot of the photos on her website show girls of those ages riding.... What if she knows these girls? ....that would be even more painful.

                          Q: WHY can't the horse communicate with others if it loses it's tail?

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                          • #33
                            I saw the horse on tv last night with its owner. It looked pretty well cared for so I am not sure what the deal is with her being away for three days. I am surprised that the horse would have made it for three days in that condition. Her tail was literally a burned wick and her hindquarters are burned and looking like they may be getting infected. It appeared that the lady had her covered in Swat as it was very pink. It was brutally hot here recently so the poor borse couldn't have had this happen at a worse time. And I think the lady was starting to feel the pain of the vet bills. I was thinking about sending something for the horse...

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                            • #34
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It appeared that the lady had her covered in Swat as it was very pink. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Burns can be very pink as well.

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                              • #35
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ESG:
                                <span class="ev_code_GREEN">I don't give a rat's ass what's "going on at home" with these kids - they've tortured and maimed a completely defenseless animal that did nothing to them! I hope they throw their asses in jail and throw away the key. AND they should be prosecuted as adults, not sent to juvie playgroup. </span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                AHEM. kb and ESG, I believe the FIRST SENTENCE of my original post was as follows:

                                "That's horrible and I hope those girls get punished to the full extent of the law"

                                Please hold back the emotional tirades for three seconds and use your reading comprehension skills before jumping all over me. The reason I even brought up the "must be something behind this" issue at all is because of what I mentioned at the END of the post, which is that if nobody bothers to figure out WHY this sort of thing happens, it could not only happen again, it could be WORSE the next time. Do you want YOUR horse's tail lit on fire!? Of course not. Then maybe you should be interested in any warning signs that such irrational teens exhibit BEFORE they go and do something awful like this.

                                Yes, these girls should be punished. And while we're busy spending tax money on them, somebody should send in a social worker to figure out what the hell was going on in their heads.
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                                • #36
                                  I see the newscast is on the WRAL website so you can see what the poor horse looks like. I wonder what will happen to those girls and how we can find out. Don't they conceal the names of juvenile offenders? Is there a way to apply pressure to make sure that they are suitably punished? I am not sure what the process would be other than to start writing letters to the local paper.

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                                  • #37
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jn4jenny:
                                    playgroup. [/color] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    AHEM. kb and ESG, I believe the FIRST SENTENCE of my original post was as follows:

                                    "That's horrible and I hope those girls get punished to the full extent of the law"
                                    [/QUOTE]

                                    I did read that and I did not mean to imply that you were saying these girls should not be punished...I just said that I get upset when poor home lives are mentioned as a rationale as to why it happened. Too many people have poor home lives and don't act out in this manner. The flip side is that sometimes kids have great home situations and they still act out. As I said in my post - if there is a bad home situation that should be addressed as well. Both sides of the issue should be addressed - but at some point responsibility and accountability should be accepted. What they did was wrong...and there is no excuse for it.

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                                    • #38
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jn4jenny:
                                      AHEM. kb and ESG, I believe the FIRST SENTENCE of my original post was as follows:

                                      "That's horrible and I hope those girls get punished to the full extent of the law"

                                      <span class="ev_code_GREEN">I read it. I understood it. I agree with it. </span>

                                      Please hold back the emotional tirades for three seconds and use your reading comprehension skills before jumping all over me.

                                      <span class="ev_code_GREEN">I didn't jump on you; I just made a statement that I don't give a damn why they did it. </span>

                                      The reason I even brought up the "must be something behind this" issue at all is because of what I mentioned at the END of the post, which is that if nobody bothers to figure out WHY this sort of thing happens, it could not only happen again, it could be WORSE the next time.

                                      <span class="ev_code_GREEN">And as I said before, I don't give a $h!t why they did it - I just want the authorities to make sure it doesn't happen again.

                                      And even IF one DID find out "what's going on at home", what good would that do?
                                      There comes a time when kids have to take responsibility for their actions. Anyone who could do something as heinous as this needs to be snatched up and shaken up NOW. </span>

                                      Do you want YOUR horse's tail lit on fire!? Of course not. Then maybe you should be interested in any warning signs that such irrational teens exhibit BEFORE they go and do something awful like this.

                                      <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Gee, you don't ASSume much, do you? First of all, you don't know if the owner had any contact with these little monsters, or if she did, what kind of contact she did have. And anyway, since when is it anyone's job so psychoanalyze everyone whose path you cross? You make it sound like it's the owner's fault, that she could have done something to prevent this atrocity! Geez!</span>

                                      Yes, these girls should be punished. And while we're busy spending tax money on them, somebody should send in a social worker to figure out what the hell was going on in their heads. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Nah, just send 'em to Texas; we deal with felons quite handily here. </span>
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                                      • #39
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:


                                        Such wisdom....

                                        "It's unusual for females to commit this sort of crime."

                                        Huh? Where've you been? Girls are just as violent, it's just more hidden and excused. No group, boy or girl, has the copyright on evil.

                                        I hope these evil thugs are made to suffer. I think shaving their heads would be a good start and several hundred hours of effort...say, working at this woman's barn doing every disagreeable task that comes down the pike. Maybe having their parents along with them might help too!

                                        Ya' know what will happen though? They'll sniff and shed a tear, their scum lawyer will come up with gems like, "But your honor, look at my clients, they're just young defenseless little girls, it was an accident, they were trying to get the burrs out of the horse's tail and a spark set her tail on fire...haven't they already suffered enough?"

                                        And a bubble-headed judge will wipe a tear and think of his nice normal daughter and how "girls don't do stuff like this" and they'll get away with it....Never happen? Just remember all the girls who kill their newborns and get away with it (e.g. the skank who was at a school dance, had her kid in the bathroom, drowned her in the toilet and then went back to the dance?...she got away with it.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                        I am sorry but you are just scarey!! First of all, girls do NOT commit violent crimes at the same rate as boys, get your facts straight. I think that the fact that this crime is unusual for girls makes it more disturbing. I don't know what state y'all live in but down here in Florida kids are hung out to dry. But unfortunately in a state where children are treated as adults animals are not thought of as much more than property. Sorry. These girls have bad problems and I am sure they will spend some time in jail. I think it would be wonderful for the parents to pay the vet bills. If anyone knows this woman she should know that there are funds set aside for victims of crimes to recover, before the courts have had time to do anything.
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                                        • #40
                                          Thats awful! The kids probably didn't have the best upbringing, but that no excuse for doing something to that filly.

                                          I wish when people do things to animals like that, that they treat the animal as a person in a court case and those kids would get seriously charged. Next time, instead of being a 2 year old filly it will be a 2 year old child.

                                          I wish more people would use birth control!

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