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Stand your ground and wave like mad or get the #@!! out of the way?!

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  • #21
    Depends on the situation. I'm not throwing myself in front of a horse that got loose in the pasture and is running around dragging their lead.
    If I'm on the backstretch and I have a huge rank colt running full speed through the shedrows where he's going to cause a devastating wreck, then yes, I'm going to try. Same thing if I have a horse that's going to go hauling ass around a showground, or toward a road, or a concrete barn aisle, or...or...or...
    At the last minute if they call your bluff you try and dodge out of the way. Usually that works. Sometimes it doesn't.
    As Peter, Paul, and Mary say, a dragon lives forever.

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    • #22
      I would only stand my ground if I new the horse, and had a way out if the horse seemed distracted. If it was my horse I probably would stand my ground, of course my horse is a 17.2 giant ISH who would jump off a cliff before stepping on my toes...but he's weird like that. If I didn't know the horse and it seemed to be thoroughly distracted then I probably wouldn't try-I doing like being squished!

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Mouse&Bay View Post
        I used to stand and wave. Then I got run over. Now I get the heck out of the way.
        Me too. Fractured cheekbone and nerve damage, concussion, memory loss of three days plus random events from that whole summer... that's a heck of a learning experience.
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        • #24
          I wave, but I also jump with a whole lot more room to spare than I did 20 years ago. It is like a jump -- if a horse doesn't show intent to swerve from about three to five strides out, it isn't going to swerve.

          In some cases attachment to people/knowing the horse is a disadvantage. I nearly got creamed when the derecho came through last year and sudden 70 mph straight line winds came through the farm and laid over the trees and popped all our ears. The horses were just terrified -- my herd leader wanted to crawl in my lap I think. I was able to matador-sidestep it and just let him roll down my side but it was still a pretty ringing hit at a full canter and spun me around a few times. I wasn't even trying to stop him, just couldn't get out of the way and nothing to hide behind when he got frightened. I have had him 17 years now and that is the only time he has ever done that, though, so not really a dangerous horse, just a freak situation.

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          • #25
            That was a terrific story, no matter where or how that accident may have happened.

            The same could happen from a horse you are grooming and walks over you or kicks out.
            Brain injuries are generally not without consequences, some times serious ones.

            One problem with horses running loose, you can't believe how fast things happen.
            You don't hardly have time to even think if you are going to stand there waving the horse to stop.
            You do it before you think and your reaction time is generally hardly fast enough before that horse is on top of you.

            That writer did a wonderful job with that story, letting the story itself and it's characters speak, withholding guesses and judgment, hard as I think it was to do for him at times.
            We want to make things count, but some times, they just are what they are.

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            • #26
              I used to stand and wave. I caught a couple of loose racehorses that way at Hereford Racecourse (National Hunt, now sadly closed) back in the 1980s. These horses weren't panicking but were still pretty geed up.

              On the other hand, when I've been in fields with groups of horses that were galloping about having a good time, I have tended just to relax, stand still and let them flow around me, being vigilant for kicking out but knowing that it could happen.

              Nowadays, I guess I am more cautious.

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                #27
                I think a big part of the problem is that its somehow "hard wired" into us to stand and wave and do our part to prevent injury or catastrophe to the horse or others and if we dont do so (especially of its not our horse and we were the only one in a position to "do something") the comments and guilt trips will be laid on us as we "didnt do anything and we could have possibly prevented it from happening"

                The story was incredible and so well told, not pointing fingers anywhere but allowing the facts to be told and the readers to make up their own minds as to what they think of the whole set of circumstances

                Someone mentioned about him being happy on this thread and I think he is - in his very limited capacity because I dont think he can rationalize and dream about what may have been instead, like someone who is paralyzed in a wheelchair with full brain capacity, watching the world go by without his participation.

                Yes - I will still stand and wave horses down that are trotting or cantering around - more playing and saying "Whee! Im free! Come and catch me if you can!" but I really think if one is panicked and running flat out with no apparent recognition of any sense of self preservation, I will take a step back and allow that one to pass - mine or anyone else's ...
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                • #28
                  All depends on the situation. Be extra cautious if it is a driving or race horse with blinkers on. I have seen a driving horse accident in an arena where someone got in front of the horse and waved, the horse turned sharply into the rail (not knowing it was so close with the blinkers on), hit its head and dropped dead. Standard procedure with a loose horse with blinkers in an enclosed area is get all other horses and humans out of its way and let it run itself out.

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                  • #29
                    Never stood in their path. 1200 lbs running out of control with the brain the size of a walnut, never seemed like a good option to stand in front of them. I'll wait for them to stop running and then go collect them up.
                    A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

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                    • #30
                      I grew up being taught to do that. The rule was Never Let A Loose Horse Get By.
                      We also grew up with the rule Never Let Go Of The Lead/Reins too.

                      A lot of us kids grew up with one arm longer than the other.

                      I'll add to this: Never grab a halter of a loose horse zooming past. Reins? Yeah, you can help absorb some of the impact when they hit the ends of those. Halter, not so much. Found that out the hard way.

                      A-n-d while it might seem like a good idea at the time, never tackle a Shetland mare. It REALLY pisses them off.
                      You jump in the saddle,
                      Hold onto the bridle!
                      Jump in the line!
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                      • #31
                        With any horse you always need a means of escape or space to stay safe whether you wave or not. Sometimes we react before we think. I remember when that happened. These things only take a second to happen.
                        Groom to trainer: "Where's the glamour? You promised me glamour!"

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                        • #32
                          The idea of the havoc a loose, big, rank stud colt could cause on the backside in the morning is terrifying and I'm sure, in Jeff's mind, that fact that it was a graded stakes winner and Derby hopeful made it that much more imperative that he catch the horse.

                          I have done the stand and wave thing more times than I can count, and have also tried to grab or step on a trailing shank. Most horses I have handled have basic respect for the human body and would try to avoid you; most will stop when they feel something on the other end of the shank, it's the exceptions that will really hurt you!

                          This story really affected me. I vaguely remember Jeff as Wayne's assistant, back in the day, but never heard the story of the accident or wondered what happened to him. I tend (like a lot of us) to think that all the risk is in riding, especially at speed or over fences. It's sobering to be reminded of the risk of just handling them on the ground.

                          I have had one really serious head injury in my career that I recovered from completely, and a bunch of minor ones - all but one riding related. Really makes me think about the "what if...."

                          Great, well written article. Thanks for sharing it. Lots of food for thought.
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                          • #33
                            I will stand and wave, and have done so successfully on several occasions.
                            But I am always prepped to get out of the way PRONTO!

                            If horse is showing no sign of slowing 3 strides out I am History, horse can run 4-Ever as far as I'm concerned.
                            No horse is worth my safety.
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                              #34
                              I tend (like a lot of us) to think that all the risk is in riding, especially at speed or over fences. It's sobering to be reminded of the risk of just handling them on the ground.
                              How very very true. I think my worst accidents around horses have happened on the ground and I cant remember even one that happened while I was on their backs ...

                              And I think common sense flies out the window at times because its a "horse" and not a stampeding bull, a deer, a moose, etc.

                              Absolutely made me rethink my strategy for dealing with loose horses (running flat out), mine or someone elses
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                              • #35
                                That is a wonderful story, and I thank you for posting it. I had heard about the accident, but that story was deeply moving and was wonderfully done. Best wishes to Jeff Lukas and his family ans they all continue their journeys.
                                I heard a neigh. Oh, such a brisk and melodious neigh as that was! My very heart leaped with delight at the sound. --Nathaniel Hawthorne

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                                • #36
                                  I've known Jeff's story from the beginning, and posted in the racing forum about going through Atoka. I drive through there once, or twice a year and always think about him. According to earlier stories eye witnesses reported that he did try to get out of the way, and Tabasco Cat tried to get out of his way. They both jumped the same direction

                                  I saw Tabasco Cat (and petted him ) at Overbrook.
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                                  • #37
                                    I used to try to stop them, trying to be helpful, thinking that if it were my horse that was loose, I'd want people to help...

                                    But then I tried it near the middle of a set of shedrow barns with an aisle up the middle, and instead of stopping the horse made a 90 degree turn, and kicked out at me. He didn't connect, but seeing that hoof come at me cured any future desire to help.

                                    Now I limit myself to shouting 'Loose horse!' and moving away to close the exterior gates, if any.
                                    --
                                    Wendy
                                    ... and Patrick

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                                    • #38
                                      It depends on the situation. If I read that the horse isn't going to stop, I move. Stepped aside for a friend's yearling because she had no intention of stopping. Come to find out, she has run people over in the past. But I thought nothing of clearing a fence at Gold Cup to get my arms around a horse that had dumped it's rider and the jock pulled the bridle off. He had a hoof flopping in the breeze and was running pretty easy on the outside rail
                                      Originally posted by The Saddle
                                      Perhaps I need my flocking adjusted.

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                                      • #39
                                        I waved one down, once--but only because I was coming down the barn driveway, between the fencerows, and had swerved my car across the driveway. I waved at her from *behind* the car. (Hey, i'm short.) i know my limits--i would never try to wave one down on my own. Caught in a pasture when they start fizzing around, i stand stock still, arms at my side.

                                        Very sobering story; thanks for posting.
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                                        • #40
                                          wsmoak...had that happen to me a time or two also. Holy crap does that make someone think!
                                          (a couple times it's been horses playing/screwing around)

                                          Rustbreeches, hoof flopping? So sad, yeah I'd have done whatever I could to catch that one too.

                                          FWIW the Stop & Flap does work often too. Or at least slows them down enough to safely grab or just makes them swap back from AACCK! mode to working brain again. But it is smart for us to keep our brains working too and not just react.
                                          You jump in the saddle,
                                          Hold onto the bridle!
                                          Jump in the line!
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