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  • #21
    Ooof. Tricky situation. As someone who grooms for strangers and unfamiliar horses I have a few personal rules. I will always be kind to your horse but he also has to respect my space and safety. If he nips at me I usually just deflect it by pushing his head/ neck away from me. If I'm trying to clip under his belly and he raises a leg at me I will give him a quick swat or growl just to say "hey my head is next to your foot and I don't appreciate that". I also personally believe that twitches and lip chains are effective in the rare and right situation but I will always defer to the owner first. That said, hitting someone else's horse in the face for nipping or taking him out of his stall to do ground work is completely crossing the line.
    "As one of those weirdos that always enjoyed the grooming tasks that most others didn't, Kirsten decided it was time to make the most of it and create Shear Convenience Grooming"

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    • #22
      At first I thought, no way would I want anyone disciplining my horse, but then on thinking, and reading these posts I realize I keep my horses at home and have a different perspective.

      If my horse were boarded and leaned is neck out to nip/bite someone, I'd expect them to give him a swat. But I would also ask for a screen on the top half of the stall door.

      I would be horrified and furious if someone took it any further. My style of discipline is much gentler than some peoples, and I'm definitely not in favour of CTJ meetings.....We are not talking savage horses, but normal saddle horses at a normal boarding stable.
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      • #23
        This is a management problem.

        Having that kind of stall where they can reach out and bite is a problem when you have boarders and even kids walking by.

        It is a liability and I would change that first.

        If I couldn't change it I would try a spray bottle of water. Place one strategically so that someone walking by could pick it up and spray the horse in the face would get the point across without hitting him (and maybe missing!) You might need two spray bottles--one at either side of his stall.

        I am not big on smacking in this situation. It is a territorial horse and should be dealt with in a different way or put in a different stall.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Chief2 View Post
          I don't discipline other people's horses. If I get bit or kicked, I discipline the owner. They understand English a whole lot better than the horse does, and I'm fairly proficient in how I use it.


          PS make that spraybottle lemon juice instead!
          AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Discobold View Post
            I wasn't talking about smacking a horse that bites you. I was talking about spending several minutes "training" someone else's horse. I also want to make 100% clear that this person was not at all harsh or mean. It was more the idea of someone else "training" someone's horse that I'm ambivalent about. This horse's owner is very experienced but not "Minnesota nice" like me, more "Jersey tough," so I probably won't say anything.
            There is no such thing as disciplining for several minutes. You have seconds to react then you have to let it go regardless of who owns the horse. You can't "train" a horse not to bite, you can just punish them when they attempt it.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Laurierace View Post
              There is no such thing as disciplining for several minutes. You have seconds to react then you have to let it go regardless of who owns the horse. You can't "train" a horse not to bite, you can just punish them when they attempt it.
              Agreed 100% with Laurie. Yeah if you try to bite me you will get a swat in the muzzle. But beyond that? Not appropriate. How did she try to "train the horse" not to bite for several minutes?

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              • #27
                If a horse comes at me in the field/stall or tries to kick/bite me, I will defend myself as necessary and then remove myself quickly from the situation.

                However I would never take it upon myself to "train or discipline" someone else's horse regarding a bad/dangerous habit. That's not appropriate - I would inform the horse's owner or BM and let them deal with it.

                About 15 years ago I had a young pony that used to bang the door of her stall when she was waiting for a meal. Yes, it was obnoxious, but I was working on it with her. Another boarder and I took turns feeding/cleaning stalls to offset the board cost and it worked out pretty well for us.

                One morning I came to the barn to ride and was looking for the broom to sweep up after I groomed. I found it broken in half in the trash can just as the other boarder was walking past me. She casually said "Oh, your pony was banging on her door again while I was feeding so I started banging back with the broom until it broke.

                Really? I think there may have been steam coming out of my ears! The worst part was that she didn't understand why I was so mad. Seriously!! Stupid beyotch! Why would someone think that was OK? It's not cool to go around spanking other people's children either - no matter how much they are annoying you!

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                • #28
                  It depends. The other day I was helping bring in the horses and I was getting skied, which I really hate. So, we had a few minutes of "you will stop when I stop, you will not go past me, etc." Then I thought "Oops", so I asked the owner, who was behind me with two other horses. Her answer, go for it, he needs it and we don't have time to work on it as much as we should. One very unhappy pony when he was the last into the barn and had to go in at my pace, turn around to give me the halter and then go to his dinner.

                  But, I would want someone to do that to my horse if he was creating a dangerous leading situation also.

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                  • #29
                    If I'm the BO, I make it clear bad behavior will not be tolerated, out of safety to everyone. As an owner, I expect mine to behave, biting over the stall is a dangerous behavior For a handler that may get plowed over from the attackee jumping away or a kid walking down the aisle etc. Not having specifics about how the person schooled the horse, I can't comment but to say I would smack a horse who came at me and would not be offended if someone smacked mine if she dared to do that.

                    The other day I held a very nice but pushy gelding as his mother was trying to get him ready. He nipped and fussed and I put a chain over his nose and a mild reminder for him to stand. He did. His mother said " How'd you get him to just stand there ?" Sigh .
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                    • #30
                      It depends. My farrier said that Fella tied to kick him during a trim and I asked, like another poster in the thread, "did you beat him?". I'm in takes-a-village school of discipline. If my horse does something to you that's not safe -bite, kick, strike, run you over -feel free to put him in his place. I do not want you, however, to fix it. Training is something I need to be in on, but you should not have to fear my horse when I'm not around.

                      Paula
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                      • #31
                        I don't think a boarder has a place "working with" someone else's horse for several minutes over a training issue. If the horse reached out to nip, an appropriate reaction would be a growl/tap or other immediate defensive response and then a word with the manager about the issue. Let them deal with the situation. Defending yourself from an unruly horse is one thing (and sometimes necessary in boarding situations, unfortunately) but taking it upon yourself to "train" a horse is crossing a line.

                        That said, as a barn manager, I will occasionally find myself in a situation where a horse requires a bit more than a quick defensive correction. For example, we have a few horses that sometimes tend to try to bolt into their stalls during bring in; rather than get dragged, I will lead them in and out a few times until they walk in and turn around quietly, then leave them alone. All of our boarders understand that we do not tolerate rudeness or any behavior that may be dangerous to the staff, and that we will (kindly) discipline as necessary. It is a very different situation for a professional (be it a trainer, manager, farrier, etc) to ensure a safe work environment and for a boarder to take it upon themselves to "train" someone else's horse.

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