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  • #21
    Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
    True My nicest horse was $600... He wasn't nice when I got him, but I wouldn't take less than about $8k for him now. Takes time.

    Now than $$$ I dropped on a saddle, that took no time at all



    In what world do FFs get paid well??
    LOL at the second part. I don't know anybody in the fire service or EMS with horses who doesn't accrue hours and hours of OT every week. That's part of the beauty of the job, however.

    I spent less on both of my horses combined than I did on my camera I've had offers on one of them that would afford me a down payment on a nice house. I just like the darn mare way too much!

    My saddle was an eBay find - nearly new Custom for about what I paid for my mare.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by fourmares View Post
      Those amatures who are always there... I think some inherited, some married well, maybe some have jpbs that pay well but don't require tons of hours (anesthesiologist, pilor, fire fighter come to mind), maybe some own businesses and hire good people... heck, I don't know.
      Rita Crundwell did pretty just working for a small city

      but when you do not have access to unlimited funds, networking helps. We would loan our nationally competitive horse to others who needed a mount for a specific event but couldn't afford the transportation cost of shipping a horse from the east or west coast

      I think the only new thing we bought was the custom made saddle we needed because we couldn't find an off the rack fit for our old style horse.
      Last edited by clanter; Oct. 25, 2013, 06:56 AM.

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      • #23
        When I worked as a secretary for the university I had my weekends and was able to use vacation time for horse shows. Now that I'm a part-time bank teller and am required to work a couple Saturdays a month nothing is easy to schedule. Just trying to schedule a lesson is a major pain in the arse. I went to 2 schooling shows on Sundays and one 3 day show, but I had to work for part of the 3 day show.

        The people that go to Florida and ride the circuits are wealthier than the average person.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by melody1 View Post
          I'm happy to answer!

          I cover the general upkeep - routine vet, feed, etc. and his rider covers show fees, clinics, hauling, supplements and any additional vet or farrier expenses. Essentially, I keep him as if he was a pasture pet, and she covers anything extra. It's a win-win, as you suggested.
          melody1, thank you for answering. That sounds like a great system. I appreciate your amplifying on how it can be made to work well.

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          • #25
            I know there is a top event rider who is a fire fighter. That's why I mentioned fire fighter...

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            • #26
              The horse people I know who show are wives of husbands who make VERY good livings (the wives also have family money in their own right).

              I know one single woman who had family money and a job that paid fairly well -- she had no kids to raise, and lived with her parents, and she has money to go to clinics and I think competitions (she events).

              I know another single woman who has no kids to pay for, has a job that pays well, but also has house payments and board/vet bills. She never shows.

              That is my own personal experience -- the people have LOTS of family money and husbands who make a lot too.

              I also know a trainer who runs a boarding barn, gives lessons, hosts shows and clinics, and has NO family money and his only income is from his barn. He takes students to local shows and occasionally to ones farther away; I have never known how he manages to pay his own bills but he always manages to do it, and show ...
              "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- George Bernard Shaw

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              • #27
                Originally posted by fourmares View Post
                I know there is a top event rider who is a fire fighter. That's why I mentioned fire fighter...
                Not any more.
                Janet

                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by fourmares View Post
                  I know there is a top event rider who is a fire fighter. That's why I mentioned fire fighter...
                  There was. And I believe she had a lot of community support to do it. As in, co-workers giving her their vacation days, fundraisers, etc. And I understand she bought a very inexpensive horse and brought him along on a shoestring.

                  My brother is a fire fighter. He makes enough but certainly not a lot and he's in an area that requires professional fire fighters!! I would say it's a job you take for reasons other than money.

                  Many of the people I have met who do show a lot are wealthy. Very wealthy, actually.

                  Most people do smaller shows less frequently and very much on a budget.
                  Born under a rock and owned by beasts!

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                  • #29
                    I'm also curious what jobs allow one to fund and attend an A-Circuit campaign, your own or others you're aware of... my guess has always been family money or spouse's high-paying, long-hours job (meaning no one's complaining about long hours at the barn, I suppose?!) but I'd love to have a fuller picture based on actual experience. Assuming no children / grown children / no other major considerations in terms of financial support.

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                    • #30
                      ^ That.

                      The average FF isn't bringing in buckets of cashola and certainly doesn't get into the job of late nights, long shifts, unsafe working conditions, and the possibility of death (thru more than just fire) for the money.

                      ETA: my farrier just got on PT with a FD, he gets four to six 24-hour shifts. I think he said it's ~$10/hr. NOT making bank, but it is so, SO, what he wants to do. And that's the reality.
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                      • #31
                        I don't think the cost is as great as one may think as our two nationally competitive (constantly in the top three) Morgans cost a total $8,000 (Foxie was $3,000 and Mulligan was $5,000) ...we also took these two horses to National Championships as competitive trail horses (NATRC) while they were being shown on the Class A circuit in breed specific and open competitions

                        We didn't have any of the fancy trailers or new trucks, but we managed.

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                        • #32
                          I used to event, but can't afford it anymore. I took up mounted games, after watching my daughter play in Pony Club. We have an $800 1984 trailer, we travel a minimum of 8 hours to compete, we sleep in a tent when we go, but it is tons of fun and way cheaper than any other horse sport we've tried. Competitive trail might be cheaper, but we haven't tried that.
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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Metropolitan View Post
                            I'm also curious what jobs allow one to fund and attend an A-Circuit campaign, your own or others you're aware of... my guess has always been family money or spouse's high-paying, long-hours job (meaning no one's complaining about long hours at the barn, I suppose?!) but I'd love to have a fuller picture based on actual experience. Assuming no children / grown children / no other major considerations in terms of financial support.
                            I'll bite. I show my hunter on the AA circuit. Do about 15-20 shows a year and pay for it all on my own (no family $$$ or rich hubby). I do consulting work (computer software). It pays very, very well, but it's not without sacrifices.

                            I spend every Monday-Thursday on the road for work, and only get to ride 2-3 days a week. Friday's I work home (or the horse show). I regularly have conference calls in my car, at the show, on a horse, etc. I once had to pull over into the sketchiest truck stop I've ever seen while driving to a horse show, just so that I could log onto my computer and fix a production problem.

                            The frequent flyer and hotel points allow me to travel to shows fairly cheaply but since I travel so much there is no doing the horse part cheaply (need full day care, pro rides, etc). I have a mortgage but no kids, I don't do lots of fancy vacations or drive a luxury car. Pretty much every dime not saved for retirement goes into the horse show fund.

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                            • #34
                              Melody1, you forgot to mention that you also braid and groom at shows you go to I can see where if someone didn't really know you or the backstory might assume you were a rich kid jetting back and forth across the country to go play at shows with your horsey and fancy pants trainer. I know from Tracy and Patience how hard you work, and that hard work shows.

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                              • #35
                                I was going to suggest info tech, as well. It's possible to work from home full or part-time. (I would not recommend anybody looking to get ahead work from home full-time, but with an established career, that might be an option.)

                                Nursing can give you a compressed schedule - 10 or 12 hour shifts over fewer days.

                                Fire fighting isn't good even if the money were better - if there's a big fire, you're working until they tell you that you can go home. Forget about planning anything that way!!

                                Forget law and finance. I work in finance and ride 3 days a week. I have been able to do 4 nights in the past for awhile, but I was managing a group and logged on right after my barn time.
                                Born under a rock and owned by beasts!

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                                • #36
                                  The problem with working in IT is in many jobs, emergencies are a way of life and whether you are in the office or working from home, you keep at it until the problem is solved. I don't show, but I do miss out on a lot of horse time due to my IT job. I do production support for a large financial services company, and I recently had a couple of really, really bad weeks. My driving pony is blowing raspberries at me because he's had it really easy lately. He's one of those horses for whom no work at all would be his ideal, and I unreasonably (he thinks) expect him to drag me around at least two days a week.

                                  I used to be in accounting (in management) and somehow I worked even more hours in accounting than I do in IT. Seems weird to me, but that's how it was.

                                  Rebecca

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                                  • #37
                                    i think begging/asking for specifics is both super tacky and pointless. SOME people find a way to take long vacations, build vacation homes, buy huge boats, buy tons of facy art...and we don't poke in their checkbooks.

                                    The OP needs to figure out what s/he is really good at, make as much $$ as possible in that endeavor, save, be smart, and get after it. The OP can afford what they can afford. Someone somewhere makes more, has more, does more. Don't sweat that. You cannot control it or change it.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by katarine View Post
                                      i think begging/asking for specifics is both super tacky and pointless. SOME people find a way to take long vacations, build vacation homes, buy huge boats, buy tons of facy art...and we don't poke in their checkbooks.

                                      The OP needs to figure out what s/he is really good at, make as much $$ as possible in that endeavor, save, be smart, and get after it. The OP can afford what they can afford. Someone somewhere makes more, has more, does more. Don't sweat that. You cannot control it or change it.
                                      I don't see the OP begging for financial details. That may be pointless––but what's 'super tacky' about looking for pointers towards reaching a goal?

                                      OP, I can't answer you regarding showing because I don't compete.
                                      I recently bought a young horse, nothing fancy. I have him in training until December and then will bring him to my boarding barn. At that point I'll be sharing him with a friend who is an excellent rider and horsewoman. I only want to ride once or twice a week and she'll ride him 3 or 4 times. Since she doesn't pay to ride my horse, she'll be able to save money to show him.
                                      My point is that you can find situations or arrangements that allow you to fit showing into your budget.

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                                      • #39
                                        I didn't mean to suggest the OP was begging, but others were picking at specifics.

                                        Whether it's an airplane, or a boat, or a horse, or a missionary zeal- it comes down to priorities, budgeting, planning and focus. Without all of that: Nothing else much matters.

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                                        • #40
                                          I am in my early 30s. I have a bachelors degree that I paid for. During college I had a horse that used to pull an Amish guys milk cart. I paid $150 a month for pasture board. For about 10 years after college I could not afford to ride competatively. I got my masters a few years ago. Now I have a job in biotech with fairly flexible hours, so I can ride after work and on weekends. Even for 5 day shows, I only need to take off Friday or maybe a half day Thursday since we don't have to travel more than 2 hours from home to get to a lot of A shows. Most of the ammie hunter classes and medals are on the weekends. I am not married and do not have rich parents..hence paying for college and my masters myself. Where there is a will, there is a way.

                                          You have to start with the end goal in mind and work backwards. I knew I needed to make a certain amount per year total package to support the lifestyle I wanted... competitive hunter/medal horse, a major vacation and a few smaller trips each year, nice clothes, money for dinner/concerts, place to live in the neighborhood I loved, etc. I looked at career options I thought could be interesting, found out what I needed in terms of experience and education, then went out and got it. Do I have it all? No. I wish I could be married with kids, but for now I will just have a blast living the life I created for myself.


                                          Originally posted by Metropolitan View Post
                                          I'm also curious what jobs allow one to fund and attend an A-Circuit campaign, your own or others you're aware of... my guess has always been family money or spouse's high-paying, long-hours job (meaning no one's complaining about long hours at the barn, I suppose?!) but I'd love to have a fuller picture based on actual experience. Assuming no children / grown children / no other major considerations in terms of financial support.
                                          Last edited by GallopGirl; Oct. 28, 2013, 12:17 AM. Reason: Typo

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