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    This one almost made me snort my Coke Zero up my nose from laughing.

    http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/grd/4148457985.html

    Text of ad:
    This is 'NOW TO DANCE' we call her Honey, she is the great niece of the world famous Secretariat, fastest horse in the world, great Grand Daughter of World Famous Bold Ruler and Great Grand Daughter Kenutcky Derby winner and Canadian Horse of the Year Norther Dancer! She is an open 19 y/o Thoroughbred, 15.2 hands, Sorrel Mare, shes won 4 1/2 furlong Maiden Allowance CL races at Delta Downs and 5 furlong race at Bluegrass Downs in Kentucky she is sweet, totally to be trusted with children and adults, she doesnt buck, bite or kick, she stands for farreier, baths does as shes told not your typical hot headed Thoroughbred. Perfect for advanced to beginer riders, she is open for breeding! $15,000 Firm.

    This is her pedigree http://www.pedigreequery.com/now+to+dance

    Now, to be fair, they have a second ad for same horse immediately below that one (but of course not nearly as funny as the first!):
    http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/grd/4148412468.html

  • #2
    Well is she 1k or 15k. Orissa the 1k for all the tack. Lol. Confusing.
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    • #3
      may be they meant 1,500 in the first ad but just hit the zero one too many times.
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      • #4
        We have a Bold Ruler TB at our barn. He is SUCH a bully. It wasn't until BO's vet asked if the horse had Bold Ruler in him because of his attitude, that we looked up and saw he was grandson.

        She looks cute though!
        I am confused though is it $15,000 or $1,500 or $15.00?

        www.thetexasequestrian.com

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        • #5
          The irony is that mare has about the most unimpressive pedigree in Thoroughbred history. I bet her current owners sell used cars.
          Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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          • #6
            I'm feeling underwhelmed at either ad.
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            • #7
              At least the second ad has a somewhat more realistic price.
              Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

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              • #8
                I like this part of the ad:

                Absolutly NO HORSE TRADERS! If your looking to make a quick buck look somewhere else, I may ask to come see your farm!
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                • #9
                  I snorted over the headline: "Own a piece of history!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Texarkana View Post
                    The irony is that mare has about the most unimpressive pedigree in Thoroughbred history. I bet her current owners sell used cars.
                    I don't know...lots of names I recognize as winners. I've seen a lot worse!

                    What a Pleasure; Bold Ruler, Carry Back, Northern Dancer, Native Dancer ...though far back and the dam sides not familiar...at least I recognize some

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by uphill View Post
                      I don't know...lots of names I recognize as winners. I've seen a lot worse!

                      What a Pleasure; Bold Ruler, Carry Back, Northern Dancer, Native Dancer ...though far back and the dam sides not familiar...at least I recognize some
                      Yes, not a bad pedigree at all. And Bold Ruler horses tend to be very opinioned, not bullies at all. They are just intelligent and have lots of opinions, and if you do not treat them as you should have been taught to treat them, you'll know they object. Our owner one who if you tried to pick out hooves in the wrong order, would patiently stand with the left fore correctly held up until you caught on. And that mare was smart.

                      Our owner once went to look at a horse just west of Atlanta. Horse was advertised as a son of Mr. Prospector, owned by a woman whose father was a race trainer in Canada. Horse was supposedly 16.3, you can tell where this is heading, and for sale for 15,000. so our owner showed up early and found the gelding standing with 2 old rain rotted broodmares in deep mud, with no hay in paddock. But even allowing for the extra mud, the horse was no where near 16.3. And he was short coupled for a TB. Our owner looked and left. The seller got home and called irate that our owner had not stayed and purchased the horse. This horse in the CL ad actually looks at lot better than the not near 16.3 gelding that our owner looked at and rejected..

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by uphill View Post
                        I don't know...lots of names I recognize as winners. I've seen a lot worse!

                        What a Pleasure; Bold Ruler, Carry Back, Northern Dancer, Native Dancer ...though far back and the dam sides not familiar...at least I recognize some
                        Spit and you'll hit a TB with Northern Dancer in his background. I'm more impressed when I DON'T see some of these names.
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                        • #13
                          I've never had a Bold Ruler horse, but my junior hunter/jumper/eq horse back in the '70s was a Nasrullah grandson, so closely related. Great horse to ride, super honest, brave, SMART, if somewhat opinionated. On the ground, he was a total ass and, often, downright aggressive. Champion bucker when he was in the mood too...that's how I got him cheaply, he frightened his former owner enough that they just wanted him gone. GREAT horse, though, I really loved riding him if not handling him on the ground, he was up for anything and really quite forgiving under saddle as long as YOU were forgiving too and never got angry.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by uphill View Post
                            I don't know...lots of names I recognize as winners. I've seen a lot worse!

                            What a Pleasure; Bold Ruler, Carry Back, Northern Dancer, Native Dancer ...though far back and the dam sides not familiar...at least I recognize some
                            No, this pedigree is truly unimpressive from a thoroughbred breeding standpoint. And here's why:

                            1. In thoroughbred breeding, the single most important thing is coming from a strong dam line that produces winners. The golden rule of race breeding is that winners beget winners. Very few horses out-produce themselves. If horse isn't from a producing line, there's little chance he/she will be a runner or a producer.

                            2. The second most important thing is the sire. There are millions of potential thoroughbred stallions on the planet. Which is why you want a stallion who's a winner and a producer.

                            3. In thoroughbred breeding, nothing beyond 3 generations is of noteworthy concern. The most important traits of speed and winning are usually not passed along from that far back. And just about every thoroughbred on the planet has "big names" if you go back beyond 3 generations.

                            This mare's dam, Dancing Queen, never ran. She had at least 4 foals, none of which ever won a race. Dancing Queen is by a well-bred yet unraced stallion who failed to ever produce up to his family name and was exported overseas. Dancing Queen's dam, Kaki Queen, only produced one foal: Dancing Queen. Kaki Queen's dam produced 2 very low level winners out of 7 foals. The dam line alone gives Now To Dance absolutely no clout as a runner or producer.

                            Her sire, The Time Is Now, is a racehorse who's best performance was a win in a starter allowance. I'm not even sure why he stayed a stallion. According to pedigree query, he had 3 foals. That's it-- a laughable amount when evaluating a racing pedigree. On top of that, only two of them raced and no winners. His sire, For The Moment, was a talented racehorse, but failed to reproduce his talent in the breeding shed. He ended his breeding career in Louisiana, which is one of the lower-tier states for thoroughbred breeding.

                            You have to go back 3 generations before you even begin to see any "big" names... and they are such over-bred, commonplace "big" names (aka Northern Dancer) that it would not turn anyone's head at all. I think the only interesting thing is that she has some very old breeding (through Carry Back) that still would appear on a catalog page. Although it would be off her foal's catalog page, so it's pretty much a moot point.

                            Anyway, cute mare. Yes, she has some "big" names on her paper, but they're too far behind a bunch of duds to do her any justice. Definitely not a breeding shed candidate for racing, but that doesn't mean a sporthorse or QH program wouldn't want her. Hope she got a good home.
                            Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                            • #15
                              In case you forgot, What A Pleasure was for many years the leading broodmare sire in the USA.

                              Of course some of these well known horses in this horse's bloodlines are way back there now. Maybe the horse would be more impressive if Sassy Pants had been the dam? In any event, the horse has good bloodlines. If yours has better lines, post the link to them.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by WildandWickedWarmbloods View Post
                                In case you forgot, What A Pleasure was for many years the leading broodmare sire in the USA.

                                Of course some of these well known horses in this horse's bloodlines are way back there now. Maybe the horse would be more impressive if Sassy Pants had been the dam? In any event, the horse has good bloodlines. If yours has better lines, post the link to them.
                                Not to be rude, but you're joking, right? Yes, What A Pleasure was a good broodmare sire, but he is 3 generations back in her pedigree behind 2 duds of sires. His impact his moot on this horse.

                                Sassy Pants would not have been bred to a "sire" like The Time is Now by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm not really sure what your argument is there. You're comparing apples to oranges.

                                This horse does not have good racing bloodlines anymore. That does not mean that she is not a lovely horse. That does not mean that she wouldn't make a good riding horse, show horse, or broodmare for outcrossing with WBs or other breeds. But as a racehorse, her pedigree is worthless. Hence the irony of the original ad.

                                If you would like me to direct you to several books or bloodhorse agents to explain why, I'd be glad to.
                                Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                                • #17
                                  Also, you requested pedigrees on my horses. How about this guy, who we gelded because he did not have the credentials to stay a stallion. He's a stakes winning son of a leading national sire, out of a stakes-winning mare who produced all winners and multiple stakes winners. But he was not "well bred" or "talented" enough for anyone to consider him for race breeding purposes.

                                  But CL mare... she has great bloodlines...
                                  Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Real Rush View Post
                                    This one almost made me snort my Coke Zero up my nose from laughing.

                                    http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/grd/4148457985.html

                                    Text of ad:
                                    This is 'NOW TO DANCE' we call her Honey, she is the great niece of the world famous Secretariat, fastest horse in the world, great Grand Daughter of World Famous Bold Ruler and Great Grand Daughter Kenutcky Derby winner and Canadian Horse of the Year Norther Dancer! She is an open 19 y/o Thoroughbred, 15.2 hands, Sorrel Mare, shes won 4 1/2 furlong Maiden Allowance CL races at Delta Downs and 5 furlong race at Bluegrass Downs in Kentucky she is sweet, totally to be trusted with children and adults, she doesnt buck, bite or kick, she stands for farreier, baths does as shes told not your typical hot headed Thoroughbred. Perfect for advanced to beginer riders, she is open for breeding! $15,000 Firm.

                                    This is her pedigree http://www.pedigreequery.com/now+to+dance

                                    Now, to be fair, they have a second ad for same horse immediately below that one (but of course not nearly as funny as the first!):
                                    http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/grd/4148412468.html
                                    I guess I'm missing it, what is so funny? The typos/misspellings?
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Belmont View Post
                                      We have a Bold Ruler TB at our barn. He is SUCH a bully. It wasn't until BO's vet asked if the horse had Bold Ruler in him because of his attitude, that we looked up and saw he was grandson.

                                      She looks cute though!
                                      I am confused though is it $15,000 or $1,500 or $15.00?

                                      My Bluey was a Bold Ruler TB. Looked exactly like him. They just need to know who is boss with a little reminder occasionally. I would have put a child on him, he was so well behaved.

                                      However, if he knew you were clueless, he was going to take advantage.

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                                        #20
                                        I thought it was funny because, as some other people have hit on, these people are asking $15,000 for a mare that has some of the most generic TB breeding you could ask for. But the ad hypes her bloodlines up as if the mare has the best you could ever want. And I'm not sure if the 15k is a typo since they have it both in the header and in the body of the ad. So the mare is related to Secretariat-- he's not even in her pedigree, just one of her ancestors related by half. I have a mare that actually has Secretariat 3 gens back in her pedigree and better breeding overall. But is she worth 15k? Hell no. I don't know, maybe the ad just tweaked my peculiar sense of humor...

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